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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:09:36
June 18 2011 09:09 GMT
#1
I even hate that term 'litter bug.' It sounds too much like 'shutter bug' which is just a person that enjoys photography. Or 'lady bug' which is a kind of cute insect and not much of a nuisance. It should be something more like 'litter rat' because every time I see one I wouldn't mind seeing them lured into a trap by a bit of cheese to have their necks snapped.

Most litter I witness are cigarette butts, which btw have the capability to start forest fires. Our governor (FL) recently declared a state of emergency because of forest fires. I suppose one disgusting habit deserves another so I shouldn't be too surprised by this.

The reason I made this thread is because the other night I was at a drive thru and I was 2nd in queue to get my food. The car in front of me appears to have about 3 college aged guys. They get their food and drinks and are waiting for their receipt when I see one of the guys put the straw into his drink and reach out the window to throw the straw wrapper on the ground. He didn't even ball it up, just threw it on the ground while they are sitting right at the window. He had to have known that there was someone in queue behind him and that I would clearly see this action. How does anyone have the nerve to just be a slob when they know someone is watching them? How can people not care what other people think of them? If I were going to litter I would make sure there were no other cars around when I throw garbage out of my window ffs..

Now my problem is that pretty much every litter rat gets away with it. I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice. For example we know that the majority of all the Vancouver rioters will get away with their crimes. To me that is 10x more infuriating than the rioting itself. Whenever there is an injustice in the world there needs to be something to counter it in order to make the world whole again. I guess you could say I am a believer in an eye for an eye. If I knew I could get away with it I would gladly follow the car of a litter bug and key it up and then leave a note on the windshield that says "please don't litter. You made my community less beautiful so I made your car less beautiful. Have a nice day."

So how do you deal with litterers? Do you get annoyed as me? If you don't, what's your secret so I can avoid an aneurysm? Do you confront them? If you do, how does that turn out?

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Radical
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 09:23:43
June 18 2011 09:23 GMT
#2
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 09:25:46
June 18 2011 09:25 GMT
#3
On June 18 2011 18:23 Radical wrote:
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.


This lol you're a fucking dick if you would even consider doing that.

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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 09:26 GMT
#4
On June 18 2011 18:23 Radical wrote:
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.


Really, you wouldn't be happy about it? Shocking!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 18 2011 09:55 GMT
#5
On June 18 2011 18:26 BlackJack wrote:
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On June 18 2011 18:23 Radical wrote:
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.


Really, you wouldn't be happy about it? Shocking!


Are you deliberately missing his point? I'm not sure whether you're trying to appear stupid or not.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
June 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#6
It' just a kid man, calm down
Yes, litter is bad, but a kid is a kid. He should be taught by parents, but they probably didn't see it, so shrug

There's worse things in the world than this
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Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#7
Casually toss some salami on the hood of the car, its poetic, and also takes the paint off.
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Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 18 2011 09:57 GMT
#8
I hope OP goes through with his plans, honestly. It would be an interesting experiment on how effective vigilantism towards misdemeanors is in modern society.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:08:49
June 18 2011 09:59 GMT
#9
On June 18 2011 18:57 DisaFear wrote:
It' just a kid man, calm down
Yes, litter is bad, but a kid is a kid. He should be taught by parents, but they probably didn't see it, so shrug

There's worse things in the world than this


I should clarify that I am from a college town where everyone is a "kid" and by kid I mean 18-26 year olds.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 10:08 GMT
#10
On June 18 2011 18:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
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On June 18 2011 18:26 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:23 Radical wrote:
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.


Really, you wouldn't be happy about it? Shocking!


Are you deliberately missing his point? I'm not sure whether you're trying to appear stupid or not.


I think it's quite obvious that he is missing mine. You'd have to be naive to think this is the first and only time that this guy has littered. It's not because he dropped something on the ground, it's because he wants to be a slob and if he wants to be a slob then he should be a slob to his own possessions instead of everyone else's.

My parent's live on a street corner that had a fairly large side yard next to a fairly well used street. Every time I would mow the lawn I would have to walk up and down the yard and pick up all the trash that people just tossed into the yard because they have no moral compass. Yet somehow, I am the dick for wanting to teach these people a lesson. Give me a break.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 18 2011 10:08 GMT
#11
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 10:11 GMT
#12
On June 18 2011 19:08 Sinborn wrote:
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 18 2011 10:11 GMT
#13
On June 18 2011 19:11 BlackJack wrote:
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On June 18 2011 19:08 Sinborn wrote:
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

He probably will do it again just to lure you. Seems like a natural reaction.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 18 2011 10:12 GMT
#14
On June 18 2011 19:08 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 18:55 UniversalSnip wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:26 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:23 Radical wrote:
If you keyed my car because I dropped a straw wrapper on the ground I would beat the shit out of you.


Really, you wouldn't be happy about it? Shocking!


Are you deliberately missing his point? I'm not sure whether you're trying to appear stupid or not.


I think it's quite obvious that he is missing mine. You'd have to be naive to think this is the first and only time that this guy has littered. It's not because he dropped something on the ground, it's because he wants to be a slob and if he wants to be a slob then he should be a slob to his own possessions instead of everyone else's.

My parent's live on a street corner that had a fairly large side yard next to a fairly well used street. Every time I would mow the lawn I would have to walk up and down the yard and pick up all the trash that people just tossed into the yard because they have no moral compass. Yet somehow, I am the dick for wanting to teach these people a lesson. Give me a break.


Ok, you're not being deliberately stupid. Your bad.

There's something called proportionality, it's pretty basic.

User was temp banned for this post.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
June 18 2011 10:19 GMT
#15
On June 18 2011 19:11 BlackJack wrote:
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On June 18 2011 19:08 Sinborn wrote:
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.


I bet if he ever finds you, you'll think twice about ever doing that again as your sitting in the emergency room with your nose in pieces.
No people shouldn't litter, but damaging someone else's property to prove a point... they won't appreciate it non too much.
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nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
June 18 2011 10:23 GMT
#16
According to classic behaviour therapy, good behaviour should be rewarded, bad ignored, praising everyone for putting something in a bin would be rather creepy :p

I think the way to go is to make clear you noticed it and you disapprove, but in a manner kind of way: Don‘t abuse the litterer. Usually I friendly ask what they think they‘re doing, if they get uppity, I say I disapprove while not trying to be aggressive or insecure. I assume those college kids aren‘t looking for a brawl, so it might very well work with them.

If they‘re obviously looking to provoke, i.e. in the company of a couple of fellow-hoods, ignore and retreat :p There are people who are sensitive to correction, and people who just want to see the world littered.
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AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
June 18 2011 10:32 GMT
#17
Ugh, our school is littered with trash
The whole oval is fairly well covered, it makes me sad.
Worst of all, I think I'm becoming one of them...
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 10:36 GMT
#18
On June 18 2011 19:19 Gingerninja wrote:
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On June 18 2011 19:11 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:08 Sinborn wrote:
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.


I bet if he ever finds you, you'll think twice about ever doing that again as your sitting in the emergency room with your nose in pieces.
No people shouldn't litter, but damaging someone else's property to prove a point... they won't appreciate it non too much.


If they ever found out they would probably just sue me for damages. Either way, I did include "if I knew i could get away with it" so this line of discussion is kind of irrelevant, don't you agree?

I think the punishment is rather fitting. It'll cost you $120 for a speeding ticket where I'm from. I am obviously incapable of giving this punishment myself so causing a couple hundred in damage to your car would be the next closest thing. It even has some hilarious symmetry: You wreck my neighborhood and I wreck your car. The car isn't even "damaged" in a sense that it's inoperable. It's completely the same, only slightly less pretty. It's not like I am slashing his tires. I am just forcing a slob to look like a slob.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 18 2011 10:38 GMT
#19
On June 18 2011 19:36 BlackJack wrote:
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On June 18 2011 19:19 Gingerninja wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:11 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:08 Sinborn wrote:
Somehow, keying the car of a college student seems like it won't produce a lot of mutual understanding.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.


I bet if he ever finds you, you'll think twice about ever doing that again as your sitting in the emergency room with your nose in pieces.
No people shouldn't litter, but damaging someone else's property to prove a point... they won't appreciate it non too much.


If they ever found out they would probably just sue me for damages. Either way, I did include "if I knew i could get away with it" so this line of discussion is kind of irrelevant, don't you agree?

I think the punishment is rather fitting. It'll cost you $120 for a speeding ticket where I'm from. I am obviously incapable of giving this punishment myself so causing a couple hundred in damage to your car would be the next closest thing. It even has some hilarious symmetry: You wreck my neighborhood and I wreck your car. The car isn't even "damaged" in a sense that it's inoperable. It's completely the same, only slightly less pretty. It's not like I am slashing his tires. I am just forcing a slob to look like a slob.


Problem is that you're committing an intentional tort here. It is feasible for you to enjoy the wonders of punitive damages just to make sure you don't do it again.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 10:44 GMT
#20
On June 18 2011 19:23 nepeta wrote:
According to classic behaviour therapy, good behaviour should be rewarded, bad ignored, praising everyone for putting something in a bin would be rather creepy :p


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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:49:29
June 18 2011 10:47 GMT
#21
I think most people have this sort of mentality. Public places such as parks, beaches, etc are there for enjoyment and most everyone will tend to litter less. Private places have a direct owner/staff that has a job to clean the mess.
So when you throw trash in the Del Taco parking lot or drive thru there will be a guy out there within a day to clean it up. No harm done, in fact you could argue that you helped someone keep a job.

I hate the street sweeper so fucking much that I will litter on purpose as my 'right' to get my personal justice on all the tickets I have received.

On the other hand, I remember reading/watching something about when a property is owned by a community it tends to be less taken care of then if someone privately owns it.
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
June 18 2011 10:49 GMT
#22
Justice is a fairy tale. Basically you have three choices: 1) believe in it and try to bring justice to the world. This will give you a sense of purpose. 2) Be indifferent to it -- there are so many things which other people believe but are untrue, you can't be bothered with all of it. This will give you inner peace. 3) Try to exploit the believe of people who do believe in Justice. It's like in starcraft when one player plays NR20 and you 4 pool him. This will gain you fortune.

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Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
June 18 2011 10:52 GMT
#23
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 11:15:30
June 18 2011 11:08 GMT
#24
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.

Show nested quote +

I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.

btw, I agree it won't be a very successful deterrent but that's mostly because 1 person can't make much of a difference. If the community decided to crackdown on litterbugs then people would definitely not be so brazen about throwing garbage out their window right in front of others. You have to have enough vigilantes for the person to worry about who is watching them, and 1 just isn't enough.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
June 18 2011 11:14 GMT
#25
On June 18 2011 18:59 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 18:57 DisaFear wrote:
It' just a kid man, calm down
Yes, litter is bad, but a kid is a kid. He should be taught by parents, but they probably didn't see it, so shrug

There's worse things in the world than this


I should clarify that I am from a college town where everyone is a "kid" and by kid I mean 18-26 year olds.


ok, that makes more sense
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Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
June 18 2011 11:15 GMT
#26
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.


This isn't clever at all because it fails to recognize the emotions that will likely come into play. You expect to instill fear, but keying a car and leaving a note will merely inspire anger.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
June 18 2011 11:21 GMT
#27
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
btw, I agree it won't be a very successful deterrent but that's mostly because 1 person can't make much of a difference. If the community decided to crackdown on litterbugs then people would definitely not be so brazen about throwing garbage out their window right in front of others. You have to have enough vigilantes for the person to worry about who is watching them, and 1 just isn't enough.

Wait, you're pissed because he threw trash when someone was watching and not because he is littering?
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 11:24 GMT
#28
On June 18 2011 20:15 Sinborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.


This isn't clever at all because it fails to recognize the emotions that will likely come into play. You expect to instill fear, but keying a car and leaving a note will merely inspire anger.


People also get angry when they get parking tickets. They still make excellent deterrents. The only problem is I can't deliver on a wide enough scale to make it an effective deterrent because people will still get away with it 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crime though.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 11:27:35
June 18 2011 11:25 GMT
#29
On June 18 2011 20:24 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 20:15 Sinborn wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.


This isn't clever at all because it fails to recognize the emotions that will likely come into play. You expect to instill fear, but keying a car and leaving a note will merely inspire anger.


People also get angry when they get parking tickets. They still make excellent deterrents. The only problem is I can't deliver on a wide enough scale to make it an effective deterrent because people will still get away with it 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crime though.


Parking tickets are different in that they are backed by an institution that has actual power. Not paying the ticket has legitimate consequences that are well understood by society. You are planning on keying cars, leaving cryptic messages and acting like Batman.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
June 18 2011 11:27 GMT
#30
On June 18 2011 20:24 BlackJack wrote:
People also get angry when they get parking tickets. They still make excellent deterrents. The only problem is I can't deliver on a wide enough scale to make it an effective deterrent because people will still get away with it 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crime though.

I have a feeling you'll find more people against keying cars for littering than for it. It's not even an actual crime.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 11:28 GMT
#31
On June 18 2011 20:21 Sotamursu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
btw, I agree it won't be a very successful deterrent but that's mostly because 1 person can't make much of a difference. If the community decided to crackdown on litterbugs then people would definitely not be so brazen about throwing garbage out their window right in front of others. You have to have enough vigilantes for the person to worry about who is watching them, and 1 just isn't enough.

Wait, you're pissed because he threw trash when someone was watching and not because he is littering?


I'm pissed because he is littering but obviously nothing could possibly be done if there is no witness so there's no point in fretting over it.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 11:39 GMT
#32
On June 18 2011 20:25 Sinborn wrote:
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On June 18 2011 20:24 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:15 Sinborn wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.


This isn't clever at all because it fails to recognize the emotions that will likely come into play. You expect to instill fear, but keying a car and leaving a note will merely inspire anger.


People also get angry when they get parking tickets. They still make excellent deterrents. The only problem is I can't deliver on a wide enough scale to make it an effective deterrent because people will still get away with it 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crime though.


Parking tickets are different in that they are backed by an institution that has actual power. Not paying the ticket has legitimate consequences that are well understood by society. You are planning on keying cars, leaving cryptic messages and acting like Batman.


There are billions of differences between any 2 things. Believing these difference will lead to different results is nothing short of conjecture on your part or my part, which is why I stand behind my position that not knowing if a discipline for bad behavior will be effective isn't a good reason to not discipline bad behavior.
Sinborn
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 11:48:06
June 18 2011 11:45 GMT
#33
On June 18 2011 20:39 BlackJack wrote:
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On June 18 2011 20:25 Sinborn wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:24 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:15 Sinborn wrote:
On June 18 2011 20:08 BlackJack wrote:
On June 18 2011 19:52 Sotamursu wrote:
On June 18 2011 18:09 BlackJack wrote:
I can't stand to see people getting away with injustice.

I bet you love pirates. Companies should ruin generations of lives because someone downloaded a song, amirite? You can't just key someones car and say that it's the same as littering because of cosmetic reasons. That scratch might rust and the repair bill might be way bigger. If you threw some paint or put a sticker or something on the car, it would be closer to littering.


I'll bet he thinks twice before throwing his garbage out the window next time.

That type of reasoning pretty much never works. Do you really think he'll go "Oh this must be punishment for littering, I guess I'll have to stop it or get my car keyed again." In the end the only thing you can really do is ask him to pick up his trash, if he doesn't, there's nothing you can do about it.


Well he will know why because I included a note on his windshield that says why. The fact that he won't know who did it will make him uneasy because he won't know if I am watching him the next time he decides to litter. The belief that it probably won't accomplish anything isn't a good excuse to do nothing, imo.


This isn't clever at all because it fails to recognize the emotions that will likely come into play. You expect to instill fear, but keying a car and leaving a note will merely inspire anger.


People also get angry when they get parking tickets. They still make excellent deterrents. The only problem is I can't deliver on a wide enough scale to make it an effective deterrent because people will still get away with it 99.9% of the time. That doesn't mean they shouldn't pay for their crime though.


Parking tickets are different in that they are backed by an institution that has actual power. Not paying the ticket has legitimate consequences that are well understood by society. You are planning on keying cars, leaving cryptic messages and acting like Batman.


There are billions of differences between any 2 things. Believing these difference will lead to different results is nothing short of conjecture on your part or my part, which is why I stand behind my position that not knowing if a discipline for bad behavior will be effective isn't a good reason to not discipline bad behavior.


Are you willing to back up your theory with actual practice?

Also, it's not conjecture. I can reason why your plan actually doesn't work based on factors that make it relatively innocuous. You continue to assert that keying cars creates the necessary panic to stop a certain behavior when reality would indicate otherwise.

You are one person and can be tracked down and stopped. Traffic tickets are part of system that you cannot track and halt. Individual actions do not have as much weight as a result and do not have the necessary leverage to get what you're looking for.
Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
June 18 2011 11:48 GMT
#34
On June 18 2011 20:39 BlackJack wrote:
There are billions of differences between any 2 things. Believing these difference will lead to different results is nothing short of conjecture on your part or my part, which is why I stand behind my position that not knowing if a discipline for bad behavior will be effective isn't a good reason to not discipline bad behavior.

Who will decide what the punishment will be and who will carry out the punishment? If you're not sure which punishment is effective, how are you going to choose one?
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
June 18 2011 12:57 GMT
#35
Littering happens to create street cleaning jobs for old people in the city.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#36
Vigilante justice is unlikely to enforce change, for that you need a larger social shift. Vigilante justice can however appease your own personal need to see justice served, I wouldn't leave a note, it might assist in identifying you. Instead just be satisfied that their action has had consequences.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:06:42
June 18 2011 13:06 GMT
#37
OP if someone tried to beat you up for keying their car for being a dirty fucking litterbug I would help you and cave their skull in with a pipe wrench. Just sayin'

Litterbugs fucking piss me off
FlydRaLiSK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada110 Posts
June 18 2011 13:15 GMT
#38
littering is serious business
im gay
qdenser
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada133 Posts
June 18 2011 13:16 GMT
#39
On June 18 2011 18:57 Kerotan wrote:
Casually toss your salami on his chin, its poetic, and also breaks the ice so you can tell him not to litter.


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whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
June 18 2011 13:18 GMT
#40
honestly if someone beat up my friend because he keyed his car because that someone littered i would beat up that someone in return because hes an asshole and you just dont litter. stop being a lazy shithead and just put your trash in the goddamn trash can.

you have no right to beat up someone else for keying your car when YOU were being an irresponsible citizen.
im gay
FlydRaLiSK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:25:47
June 18 2011 13:22 GMT
#41
i must confess i sometimes litter because i am paraplegic and am missing an arm because vietnam so sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to reach a trash can and as such sometimes i litter
sorry ~.^

edit: i am litter
im gay
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 15:15:42
June 18 2011 15:11 GMT
#42
BlackHack-x17 complaining about the decency of people "others see them" haha. I only liter cigarette butts but most places have people employed to clean them. I quite frankly couldn't give two fucks and people who get truly offended probably don't have the balls to say shit in the first place. Gj making a blog about it

edit: Incase you aren't the hacker blackjack (can't remember afterall this time if you are a second blackjack and someone jsut took ur b.net name) it's still pretty dumb to get that worked up over witnessing something. And if you are that paranoid over cigarette butts starting forest fires then your life should be a nightmare. Ease up bud.

If you are the hacker, hackers are way worse than literbugs.
Nak Allstar.
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
June 18 2011 15:22 GMT
#43
On June 18 2011 22:22 FlydRaLiSK wrote:
i must confess i sometimes litter because i am paraplegic and am missing an arm because vietnam so sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to reach a trash can and as such sometimes i litter
sorry ~.^

edit: i am litter

You are a 1 armed 'Nam war vet who plays Starcraft enough to register on a SC related forum?
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
June 18 2011 15:38 GMT
#44
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 18 2011 15:51 GMT
#45
Key my truck. I won't even notice the new scratch. Unless you do it in front of me, at which point there's a 2 foot crescent wrench next to my shifter.

If it bothers you so bad, this horrible crime you witnessed, do the right thing and call the cops. Committing a crime in response doesn't fix anything, and oh yeah, plenty of places have cameras in their parking lots now.

If you're going to key someone for anything, key them for taking up multiple parking spots to avoid getting a scratch in their paint. Much worse offense, and the punishment actually fits the crime, and might be a succesful deterrent.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
June 18 2011 16:05 GMT
#46
On June 19 2011 00:11 MiniRoman wrote:
BlackHack-x17 complaining about the decency of people "others see them" haha. I only liter cigarette butts but most places have people employed to clean them. I quite frankly couldn't give two fucks and people who get truly offended probably don't have the balls to say shit in the first place. Gj making a blog about it

edit: Incase you aren't the hacker blackjack (can't remember afterall this time if you are a second blackjack and someone jsut took ur b.net name) it's still pretty dumb to get that worked up over witnessing something. And if you are that paranoid over cigarette butts starting forest fires then your life should be a nightmare. Ease up bud.

If you are the hacker, hackers are way worse than literbugs.


Lol.. People are employed to clean up your trash? You sound like a spoiled rich kid that throws crap on the ground because it's the maid's job to pick it up. Pro tip: if you're trying to insult someone you shouldn't reveal yourself to be a classless douchebag 10 words into your post because they might not care what you have to say.
dySpHoRia.
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada38 Posts
March 27 2012 05:33 GMT
#47
On June 18 2011 22:22 FlydRaLiSK wrote:
i must confess i sometimes litter because i am paraplegic and am missing an arm because vietnam so sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to move and as such sometimes it is very difficult to reach a trash can and as such sometimes i litter
sorry ~.^

edit: i am litter


wow what a fantastic post
hi im enrico
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