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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 16:31:58
June 13 2011 16:31 GMT
#1
ever wondered why pokemon don't move at all while they were battling? that was a huge burning question in my mind as a child, as i wondered why some of the most powerful attacks had nearly the same attack animation as tackle. despite the recent technological advancements, the creators of pokemon still has yet to publish the RPG game with 100% in-battle animation, all different based on different attacks.

so, ever wondered how a real pokemon game battle would look like?

look no further. enjoy.

+ Show Spoiler [THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE] +


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United States1776 Posts
June 13 2011 16:34 GMT
#2
Blazouken!
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
June 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#3
lol! Epic! I want this! Where can I has?!
Wahaha
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#4
an affection for visual violence is no virtue. every game should be visually streamlined for the safe consumption of little girls. i much prefer pokemon the way it is, possible improvements include flowers and other beauty contest material.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45022 Posts
June 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#5
I don't think anyone would buy Pokemon if it were a fighting game lol
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Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 16:44:23
June 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#6
Oh my god imagine if real pokemon battles were like this. It would be like adding an element of skill into the RPG. Or even just have a combat system more similar to Super Smash Brothers so it's a lot simpler to execute the (max of 4) moves that you taught each pokemon. There could still be levels obviously, and it would basically still do exactly the same thing.

Edit: Ok yeah pokemon takes a little bit of skill but it's a completely different skill set (100% planning, the execution is simple enough for a 2 year old)
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 16:47:49
June 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#7
Gen V is almost fully-animated. Besides turning Pokemon into a fighting game like that would completely kill it. As a turn-based RPG, it's one of the most deep and strategic games around. I think Pokemon as a fighting game could be awesome, but it definitely SHOULD stay as a turn-based RPG.

Also you goddamn cheater, everyone knows that Blaziken is banned.


On June 14 2011 01:43 Najda wrote:
Oh my god imagine if real pokemon battles were like this. It would be like adding an element of skill into the RPG. Or even just have a combat system more similar to Super Smash Brothers so it's a lot simpler to execute the (max of 4) moves that you taught each pokemon. There could still be levels obviously, and it would basically still do exactly the same thing.

Edit: Ok yeah pokemon takes a little bit of skill but it's a completely different skill set (100% planning, the execution is simple enough for a 2 year old)


Have you ever played/watched Pokemon competitively? It takes a whole new level of planning, strategy, and mind games that no two year old could ever comprehend.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2011 16:45 GMT
#8
I turn off battle animations anyway, because they take up too much time. If I wanted to see fully animated Pokémon battles, I'd watch the show, but the graphics are not the crux of the franchise. As long as my EV training and chain breeding pays off, I'd be fine with animation quality reminiscent of Plan 9 From Outer Space.

Taking off my serious cap for a bit, nice video. Gave a few chuckles.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
June 13 2011 16:48 GMT
#9
super pokemon melee
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 13 2011 16:48 GMT
#10
On June 14 2011 01:45 Aeres wrote:
I turn off battle animations anyway, because they take up too much time.

Yep, same here. And for animations, there was always Pokemon Stadium for the N64.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
June 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#11
hahahahaha,ferosse you take this(and kona's post) too seriously.

that was a really cool video though.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
June 13 2011 16:52 GMT
#12
I think we are long overdue for a true Pokemon MMORPG. Artosis said it best when he said "I'd quit my job and basically my life to become the ultimate Pokemon Master, Tasteless" or something to that effect :D

EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
June 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#13
I like pokemon for the strategy game that it is. I really don't want the RPG fighting system in pokemon. Doing anything would take forever too!
redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
June 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#14
Where can I get this game??? It makes me actually want to play pokemon again. When I was little, this was how I would imagine the fights taking place.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 13 2011 17:10 GMT
#15
As a turn-based RPG, it's one of the most deep and strategic games around.

You realise pokemon is a game made so that 8 year olds can beat it, right?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 13 2011 17:11 GMT
#16
On June 14 2011 02:10 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
As a turn-based RPG, it's one of the most deep and strategic games around.

You realise pokemon is a game made so that 8 year olds can beat it, right?

Yet its competitive scene has so many variables. 8-year-olds can beat the Starcraft campaign as well.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 13 2011 17:11 GMT
#17
Also konadora hiiii
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 13 2011 17:16 GMT
#18
lmfao good point. it would be pretty boring if pokemon were real and they took turns hitting each other with their faces untill one fell down.
This is a much better way! real time pokemon!
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Profile Joined April 2009
Australia173 Posts
June 13 2011 17:30 GMT
#19
On the comments there's a megaupload link to the game. Just add the code to the end of megaupload.com
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 17:33:17
June 13 2011 17:32 GMT
#20
On June 14 2011 02:10 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
As a turn-based RPG, it's one of the most deep and strategic games around.

You realise pokemon is a game made so that 8 year olds can beat it, right?


You realize that 8 year olds could beat most games, including Starcraft, right? I guess Starcraft is for kids.
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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
June 13 2011 17:40 GMT
#21
Blaziken can OHKO Snorlax so hard, this is jokes.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
June 13 2011 17:57 GMT
#22
For some reason I like coordinating much better than battling =/
If we are all going to imagine game that carter to individual preferences, what about the game which focuses on strategic coordinating for once rather than turn-based RPG with crappy coordinator system?

:p
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Dee-Kej
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden191 Posts
June 13 2011 18:06 GMT
#23
That looks neat, I got to try that game! :D

Though how I think it should be is as a VR MMORPG. Though it's going to take a few years before that can happen... -__-'
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 13 2011 18:13 GMT
#24
cool video, looks like marvel vs capcom with pokemon.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
June 13 2011 18:25 GMT
#25
On June 14 2011 01:52 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think we are long overdue for a true Pokemon MMORPG. Artosis said it best when he said "I'd quit my job and basically my life to become the ultimate Pokemon Master, Tasteless" or something to that effect :D



Yeah... When The Pokemon Corporation and Nintendo get their acts together, they will realize that they can own half the world with one game.
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2011 18:35 GMT
#26
On June 14 2011 03:25 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 01:52 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think we are long overdue for a true Pokemon MMORPG. Artosis said it best when he said "I'd quit my job and basically my life to become the ultimate Pokemon Master, Tasteless" or something to that effect :D

Yeah... When The Pokemon Corporation and Nintendo get their acts together, they will realize that they can own half the world with one game.

And Blizzard will own the other half of the world with their game.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
June 13 2011 19:37 GMT
#27
Isnt that like asking why ppl just stand there waiting to fight in every jrpg?
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 13 2011 20:06 GMT
#28
Man, Waxangel got owned right there...
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 20:10:21
June 13 2011 20:09 GMT
#29
On June 14 2011 03:35 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 03:25 Dexington wrote:
On June 14 2011 01:52 HackBenjamin wrote:
I think we are long overdue for a true Pokemon MMORPG. Artosis said it best when he said "I'd quit my job and basically my life to become the ultimate Pokemon Master, Tasteless" or something to that effect :D

Yeah... When The Pokemon Corporation and Nintendo get their acts together, they will realize that they can own half the world with one game.

And Blizzard will own the other half of the world with their game.
There are many pokemon mmo projects online, but they keep being shut down by Nintendo. There was one a couple of months ago with a playable beta, it sucks that Nintendo won't ever make one or ever make a game for PC. Even if they made one for consoles or DS I wouldn't really play it very often, MMOs need the PC keyboard.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 13 2011 20:44 GMT
#30
This looks pretty cool, haha. Although I have to agree with Ferrose. Actual competitive battling has so much depth and strategy it's mind-boggling. I stopped after 4th Gen though, don't know much about the 5th Gen scene. But man, Bullet Punch Scizor was OP as hell.
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
June 13 2011 22:13 GMT
#31
On June 14 2011 05:44 MoonBear wrote:
This looks pretty cool, haha. Although I have to agree with Ferrose. Actual competitive battling has so much depth and strategy it's mind-boggling. I stopped after 4th Gen though, don't know much about the 5th Gen scene. But man, Bullet Punch Scizor was OP as hell.

Only because you didn't know how to deal with it. :D There were/are a number of potent threats that can check or counter Scizor, on top of being solid team additions in their own right. Think Rotom-A, Gyarados, Zapdos, Heatran, and Magnezone (although the latter two had to watch out, lest they mispredict and switch in on a Superpower).
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 13 2011 22:31 GMT
#32
On June 14 2011 07:13 Aeres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 05:44 MoonBear wrote:
This looks pretty cool, haha. Although I have to agree with Ferrose. Actual competitive battling has so much depth and strategy it's mind-boggling. I stopped after 4th Gen though, don't know much about the 5th Gen scene. But man, Bullet Punch Scizor was OP as hell.

Only because you didn't know how to deal with it. :D There were/are a number of potent threats that can check or counter Scizor, on top of being solid team additions in their own right. Think Rotom-A, Gyarados, Zapdos, Heatran, and Magnezone (although the latter two had to watch out, lest they mispredict and switch in on a Superpower).

Haha. Yeah, Scizor can be played around. I see him sort of like Warp Gate tech. You can play around it, but every time you face it, you can't help but sigh a little bit, keke. Although, I had lots of fun making a smurf and abusing him myself I must admit. STAB+CB+Technician Priority Move with few resists is so fun. Baiting Heatran/Magnezone swaps into Superpower is also pretty satisfying, lol.

I was also partial to Specsmence despite so many teams running Stealth Rock. Ah, good times.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
June 13 2011 22:37 GMT
#33
replace with vid where snorlax wins or you're banned D:
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
June 13 2011 23:20 GMT
#34
Competitive Pokemon really is pretty great, and there's no point disparaging it (etc. Chef's post) without actually trying it. It's pretty much on the exact edge where the amount of luck in the game doesn't ruin it though. As long as you understand that much of the game is managing risk/reward it should be fine. Also tournament matches really need to be best of x.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 00:28:47
June 14 2011 00:28 GMT
#35
On June 14 2011 07:37 Waxangel wrote:
replace with vid where snorlax wins or you're banned D:


I was waiting for Waxy to show himself!

muahahahahaha

*You found a Waxangel! It's super rare!*
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
June 14 2011 07:05 GMT
#36
On June 14 2011 05:44 MoonBear wrote:
This looks pretty cool, haha. Although I have to agree with Ferrose. Actual competitive battling has so much depth and strategy it's mind-boggling. I stopped after 4th Gen though, don't know much about the 5th Gen scene. But man, Bullet Punch Scizor was OP as hell.


It wasn't even that OP in fourth gen. But Scizor is the cornerstone of my main team, and fifth gen introduced this Fire/Ghost Pokemon called Chandelure, and it has the Shadow Tag ability. So if that thing switches in you're fucked (I also have Skarmory QQ).

Every time I see a Chandelure in the team preview, I never leave my Scizor and Skarmory out for more than one turn. I'll switch into them as a counter, hoping my opponent switches into Chandelure, then I'm like "lol double switch" into Vaporeon
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
June 14 2011 07:52 GMT
#37
On June 14 2011 07:37 Waxangel wrote:
replace with vid where snorlax wins or you're banned D:


Hahahahaha.

This looks pretty cool... Although it would seem if you pick the shortest pokemon you're advantage would be ridiculous cause half the attacks would miss xD
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 14 2011 08:18 GMT
#38
noooo snorlax my favorite pokemon by far
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Demoninja
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1190 Posts
June 14 2011 10:30 GMT
#39
This game looks so hype.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 14 2011 11:07 GMT
#40
You shouldn't be able to block or counter (unless you use counter). And there should be some idea of pp.

And special attack should do nothing to chansey.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 13:29:42
June 14 2011 11:19 GMT
#41
Oh my god POKEMON AT EVO LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lucario has Yun's moves, shoulder, sa2, TOO GOOD. Blaziken with the dan kicks made me lolllll

that was amazing.

edit: omg got it working with a TE stick. All the pokemon have like sf3 character moves, snorlax = hugo, ditto = twelve. gengar has yun's lunge punch, but lucario has the palm, etc. Heavy palm causes wallbounce, but I think you can only combo with fireball afterwards. Only some things are cancellable as I'm finding.

this game is so sick.

edit2: the more I play this game the more I love it. Gengar super puts bitches to sleep for free combo. His lunge can poison too. Blaziken and Lucario are definitely the best of the chars I've played so far, but the fire chicken thing slightly behind. Gardevoir looks pretty sick, as does the other plant with dhalsim's stretchy moves, but I havent mashed on them yet.

so fun :>
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 15:41:58
June 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#42
yo im so on this shit

did u have to do something to get the TE to work properly?
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 14 2011 16:01 GMT
#43
i <3 Pokemon. If you like Pokemon I <3 you.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 22:04:58
June 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#44
yooooooo snorlax has no command grab
and im getting murdered by random gengar. random lunge punch poisons me and then airdash j.FP into a mixup of two more overheads or low. can't do anythign outside of random crossup bodyslams and c.LK megakick

the purple blob's command grab does RIDICULOUS damage. and gardevoir is like mk9 raiden and ermac combined. gravity squeeze ball bounces, future sight is a good fireball to throwout and a cool looking teleport that leaves shadows around. the other fire pokemon not blaziken is like adon with a 1 button lightning legs.

ton of stuff im still so confused by. like i saw computer do advancing guard, and me and my friend spent a good hr trying to figure out how.

edit: crap forgot TE can work on this. was mashing around with keyboard
i also felt so smart when i had mr. mime assist, called him out to block EVERYTHING my opponent did and then rested into max HP :D
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Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
June 14 2011 22:32 GMT
#45
I've been waiting for a pokemon console game (N64, GC, Wii) in the vein of the core gameboy/DS series for 15 years. I'll probably be waiting another 15 years. It would be incredible Also it has probably the most potential for an MMORPG of any franchise ever.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 14 2011 22:32 GMT
#46
Maybe its the nostalgia talking but that just looks silly >.>
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
June 15 2011 00:15 GMT
#47
I always imagined pokemon RTS-style or perhaps even MOBA-style with each person using a different pokemon (because let's face it, who is going to send their pokemon out one at a time and take turns? also pokemon don't just stand there and get smashed by a meteor or say hello to a face full of lightning). hehe
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 15 2011 00:41 GMT
#48
On June 14 2011 01:34 Backpack wrote:
Blazouken!

Lucariuken!
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China10252 Posts
June 15 2011 00:52 GMT
#49
Then conservative parents would not buy Pokemon for their kids anymore.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States41 Posts
June 15 2011 00:55 GMT
#50
Lol, I was just watching that video. Also you people FEAST YOUR EYES on this http://www.smogon.com/forums/ 30 year old people playing pokemon
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 15 2011 02:02 GMT
#51
I just started playing this game, are there any english instructions? Idk what pp or anything is lol
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
June 15 2011 02:07 GMT
#52
On June 15 2011 09:55 Aqueos wrote:
Lol, I was just watching that video. Also you people FEAST YOUR EYES on this http://www.smogon.com/forums/ 30 year old people playing pokemon


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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
June 15 2011 02:08 GMT
#53
On June 15 2011 11:02 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just started playing this game, are there any english instructions? Idk what pp or anything is lol


the move list shows up for each character as you mouse over them on the character select screen.

PP is meter, takes 100 to call an assist or do a super. You pick which assist you want by which button you press at the start of the round. If you pick no assist, you get 100 extra PP at the start.

most the chars have some form of fireball, either with the qcf + P hadouken motion or with charge back, forward + P

supers generally done by doing either 2x qcf or 2x qcb + P. Blaziken looks pretty godlike with firebreath zoning and hit confirmable super. Lucario and Gengar are pretty ballin too. I'm not sure how I feel about the fire chicken. Gardevoir has a pretty sick keepaway, she has the airdash and the teleports, as well as a bunch of fireballs. Not sure how to combo the wallbounce move she has though.
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