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My ZvZ Weakness And How I Intend to Overcome It

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DocNemesis
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Philippines446 Posts
June 08 2011 16:32 GMT
#1
ZvZ is beginning to annoy the hell out of me, and I know that there are a certain few who are just as annoyed with it as I am. With a matchup like that, I hardly ever win because I was Zerg Rushed first or having a Spine Crawler or two poke the fuck out of my hatchery. Then again, it is my fault for not coming up with a decent strategy.

Whenever I play Starcraft 2, I have made the 7 Roach Opener/Expand/Lair build order a habit. The only time a build like this succeeds in ZvZ is if my opponent either expanded early or if my opponent has even worse micro than me. I need to work on a different build order that would at the very least ensure me a 50-50 probability of success should I execute them. Been doing a bit of research and so far, the best has been the 15 hatchery build though with the 6 Pool.

Or I can stick with the build I have already learned and make some tweaks to ensure a decent ZvZ matchup. Maybe I should focus on making 5 Roaches and be a bit defensive. I could always make a counter-attack with the Nydus Network as I have found that structure to be insanely useful in ZvZ or when I am playing in Scrap Station.

If you guys are doing the Roach Opener, what tactics do you use in ZvZ?

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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
June 08 2011 16:35 GMT
#2
I go speedling expand if they're doing a decent job of scouting. Cut drones, and go speedling all-in. It's been working, it's cheesy, but I figure it's ok because I'm just expanding my strategies. Works against almost every master league player I go against, pretty bad against early banes tho.
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 08 2011 16:39 GMT
#3
i 8pool almost all maps (except huge maps) with an attempted hidden spine crawler

on tel dariam i just lose basically lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
smacky
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States108 Posts
June 08 2011 16:51 GMT
#4
On June 09 2011 01:35 Dalguno wrote:
I go speedling expand if they're doing a decent job of scouting. Cut drones, and go speedling all-in. It's been working, it's cheesy, but I figure it's ok because I'm just expanding my strategies. Works against almost every master league player I go against, pretty bad against early banes tho.



might i suggest to both the blogger and this poster that a timing with +1 attack will do nicely provided you patrol lings like terran would marines against banes....it works and get oh so many a ragequit cause they miss the +1

buildy info for this on liquipedia...also try the double evaux for a +1+1 ling timing pretty sweet but if you have to scout his gas and lair timing cause onebae muta will autowin if you dont prep for it and adjust by getting a few extra drones and spores or whatever but do not delay the attack even if you are missing some lings (cause they had to be spores)....tbh if you scout fast double gas and fast lair and spire you need to change plans fast...roach ling thing is pretty easy to hold with this if you are active with early lings...gllggl
all i want is flying zerglings....fling!! make it a micro
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
June 08 2011 16:52 GMT
#5
just 15 hatch and get roaches and defend with slow lings+queen+drones+a few roaches
DocNemesis
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Philippines446 Posts
June 08 2011 17:36 GMT
#6
On June 09 2011 01:52 redFF wrote:
just 15 hatch and get roaches and defend with slow lings+queen+drones+a few roaches


Hmmm... gonna keep that in mind. Though if I am gonna 15 hatch, wouldn't it be a bit safer to use a couple of spines?
Here to kick ass....with Violence. And I got a blog site: http://nemesistrestkon.wordpress.com
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4729 Posts
June 08 2011 17:38 GMT
#7
ZvZ is the reason I want to switch races lol, I am so bad at it D:

Comes down to practice ultimately and getting used tot he timings but I don't play enough D: There was once a time where I felt really comfortable lol
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DocNemesis
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Philippines446 Posts
June 08 2011 17:44 GMT
#8
On June 09 2011 02:38 SenorChang wrote:
ZvZ is the reason I want to switch races lol, I am so bad at it D:

Comes down to practice ultimately and getting used tot he timings but I don't play enough D: There was once a time where I felt really comfortable lol


I could switch races myself, but I have grown really accustomed to playing Zerg. I have become fairly competent playing that race and I intend on sticking with them for the time being.
Here to kick ass....with Violence. And I got a blog site: http://nemesistrestkon.wordpress.com
TwistedHelix
Profile Joined July 2010
United States50 Posts
June 08 2011 20:21 GMT
#9
I love ZvZ, unless I get 6 pooled.

My build is SUPER map dependent. I learned to ZvZ by watching EG.Machine teach Mr. Bitter. The vod is found at this link.
http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4446975/

He goes over:
1 base roach opening that pushes with roach speed, burrow, and +1 up- good for smaller maps cuz you can wall off ur ramp with roaches and prevent speedling aggression
1 base ling/bane build and micro techniques- fun to do!!! unless they go fast roach...
a hatch first build- great on larger maps!
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