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Natsumar
Profile Joined March 2011
United States91 Posts
June 08 2011 22:34 GMT
#181
Good luck against HasuObs, Ret!

Forget all of this nonsense.
Woah guys, this is where it gets tricky. Because right now we're behind in every conceivable aspect [...] The only thing we're not behind in is micro. Right? We got tons of that shit.
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:35:14
June 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#182
On June 09 2011 07:25 Rekrul wrote:1. EX-Boyfriend was either a naive retard or a pussy at MLG.


True but I can still feel sympathy for someone who is naive or cowardly. Hopefully he learns a valuable lesson from this: bitches be bitches.
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
keindo
Profile Joined June 2011
8 Posts
June 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#183
I don't think anyone cares about the boyfriend, the girl, or even Ret specifically (outside of a few fans). More that every hormonal teenager is just excited at the prospect of groupies.
binary25
Profile Joined August 2010
United States28 Posts
June 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#184
On June 09 2011 07:32 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.


You can't really say that his private life should be staying private. "Famous" people (obviously I am using that term loosely as no SC2 player is really "famous" in north america) do not have the same expectation of privacy, at least in NA, as do the everyday person. There are no laws or anything regarding the matter.

The fact is that when you have many people who are your fans, or look up to you, then your personal behavior is subject to more scrutiny simply because you have more people watching what you do. The same is true for any sports star or actor, anything "personal" they do that reflects badly upon them is quite often found out by paparazzi and sold. Gossip, drama, etc is a good business.

Ret is by no means obliged to tell us anything but we absolutely have the right to be judgemental, especially if we are only given one side of a story that paints ret in a bad light that he refuses to refute. His image is a.) something people look up to, admire, or want to watch and b.) reflective of him, TeamLiquid, and all the according sponsors. That is what happens when you are someone with at least some importance. I am sorely disappointed that he didn't realize this and approach this situation much better, and I know that I am not alone. Something like this reflects badly upon his professional team and that is why it is subject to more scrutiny. If it didn't effect others then yes it wouldn't be an issue. But he is a representative of a brand and therefore yes I am influenced by this. I know that I am much less likely to want to watch his games for at least the short term simply because I wouldn't like the player.


WOW cmon made out with a girl he thought was single LMAO. You're making it sound like he impregnated her and is abandoning the baby.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
June 08 2011 22:37 GMT
#185
On June 09 2011 07:25 Rekrul wrote:
"Women are like monkeys swinging from vine to vine, they don't let go of one until they've grabbed onto the next."

I really cannot even pity the boyfriend in this case. He already tried to make that strip-tease Starcraft bs then took his GF straight into the lion's den. I am not going to attempt to comment on this guy because I do not know him or what really happened but based on the info given by him in his reddit he was pretty much letting his GF flaunt around all weekend without taking any action (whether it be confronting the guys attempting to hit on her, or to tell her to wake the fuck up or it's over). When things are slipping away you must do SOMETHING or you are screwed. Now granted you may have not known your GF was capable of blatantly disrespecting you so you tried to give her the benefit of the doubt for a while, but still, come on!

And can you really blame Ret? You are a progamer at a huge event where now tons of fan girls are attending. Any man who has groupies who has access to the groupies will usually try to get with the groupies, it's just the law of fame. And for you all to assume that "Ret knew she had a bf!" or that to him she is merely some groupie who said "oh hey I hear you have pretty good zerg wanna fuck?" is pretty dumb. What probably happened is this girl was showing obvious interest in Ret and probably talked and got to know each other better then told him her and her BF are done. Now, knowing the BF is still around would I get involved with this girl? Well that depends on 1. how hot is she and 2. how dangerous is he (LOL). But whatever, you cannot blame Ret, if he likes her and she likes him they are both free to do whatever they want and that includes spending 1k on a plane ticket.

If I was the ex-bf would I have posted that shit online in an attempt for revenge? No I would probably wait around for as long as it takes to assemble a plan to have his legs broken, but that's just me and I'd never get in this situation anyways. But I can't really blame him. Such is life and whatever makes u feel better

Cliffs notes:
1. EX-Boyfriend was either a naive retard or a pussy at MLG.
2. You cannot blame Ret for swooping up a groupie fresh on the market
3. Most girls are sluts like men too, except as in this case some don't hide it as well as others.

P.S. Who cares if she made out with a newbie like Catz, obviously she has to work her way up the ladder to go from Gold to Masters with a real progamer, Liquid`Ret!


as much as i mostly agree with what you are saying i dont think its fair to label the guy as a pussy. i know its cool to act like we would all 'smack that faggot' for messing with the women folk but thats not how things get done . and even if he was the violent type, i dont think attacking someone as popular as ret at an mlg is a smart way to keep your legs attached to your body :D
FreddYCooL
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden415 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:39:49
June 08 2011 22:39 GMT
#186
This is so much fun, i was totally not expecting something like this to appear in the wake of MLG.
Lakai
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada315 Posts
June 08 2011 22:40 GMT
#187
Are we still in highschool? This is some sad gossip shit.
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
June 08 2011 22:43 GMT
#188
This is actually so funny lol

Hopefully we will see Catz vs ret match next MLG, best story for a match ever :D
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
Clickety
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal196 Posts
June 08 2011 22:44 GMT
#189
You know shit's going down when they have to call Rekrul!!
badcnr
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada116 Posts
June 08 2011 22:44 GMT
#190
I agree with ret on this one from everything said the guy broke up with the girl on friday and even if not this is you and her problem maybe bring up with her, and for some one who swears your not taking her back you sure seem like some one who wants her back, obviously she is not your type of girl your really into so instead of wasting energy getting mad or upset go find some who can be a little bit more tame and not try to show her off on webcam cause it would probably happen again.
But back to what this was actually about, I agree with catz the fact that some people were allowed to be late and didnt get DQ is unfair and mlg should change it i think so they have a wait time, like ten mins and 10-15 per game. I really wanted to see the july -catz match
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 22:58:49
June 08 2011 22:48 GMT
#191
On June 09 2011 07:32 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.


You can't really say that his private life should be staying private. "Famous" people (obviously I am using that term loosely as no SC2 player is really "famous" in north america) do not have the same expectation of privacy, at least in NA, as do the everyday person. There are no laws or anything regarding the matter.

The fact is that when you have many people who are your fans, or look up to you, then your personal behavior is subject to more scrutiny simply because you have more people watching what you do. The same is true for any sports star or actor, anything "personal" they do that reflects badly upon them is quite often found out by paparazzi and sold. Gossip, drama, etc is a good business.

Ret is by no means obliged to tell us anything but we absolutely have the right to be judgemental, especially if we are only given one side of a story that paints ret in a bad light that he refuses to refute. His image is a.) something people look up to, admire, or want to watch and b.) reflective of him, TeamLiquid, and all the according sponsors. That is what happens when you are someone with at least some importance. I am sorely disappointed that he didn't realize this and approach this situation much better, and I know that I am not alone. Something like this reflects badly upon his professional team and that is why it is subject to more scrutiny. If it didn't effect others then yes it wouldn't be an issue. But he is a representative of a brand and therefore yes I am influenced by this. I know that I am much less likely to want to watch his games for at least the short term simply because I wouldn't like the player.


1: Yes, famous people have been victims of paparazzis and lack of privacy for years. But isn't this pretty fucking horrible? I mean, in some instances you have dumb celebrities who want fame for the sake of being famous - and in that case they did give up their privacy. But for most celebrities, they are celebrities through being exceptionally good at something - and the fame and thus lack of privacy is something of a negative, unintended consequence. In fact, you might say that this sort of, gossipy behaviour, is discouraging exceptionalism. And that, to me, is bad.

2: Just because something is good business, does not mean it should be encouraged. Weapons, prostitution and drugs make up three of the biggest industries in the world. While at least two out of these three might give you entertainment, I think we can largely agree that they contribute more bad than good.

3: The reason why you cannot be judgemental is that you are judging based on incomplete information. So far you have heard the story of one disgruntled part whom is obviously really biased, one part has not posted anything, and the third part has posted that not everything posted is true, but that he feels this is within his private sphere and that it is none of your concern. That should end it - it's none of your concern. Ret is a sc2 player, judge him based on that.

I think there's a difference between europe and usa in this aspect though, you have far more people who are famous for being famous, and with the exception of england, the right to privacy is far more respected in europe - unless someone's private actions are actually in direct conflict with their public persona, then I don't see how it matters at all.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2011 22:52 GMT
#192
Don't really care about the whole situation, backstory or history. Just wanted to clap and tell Ret that I'm glad he had a fun/enjoyable time at MLG and got some action.

Regardless of the context or overall scenario :3
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TelesisGQ
Profile Joined March 2009
United States83 Posts
June 08 2011 22:55 GMT
#193
Doesn't sound like either Catz or Ret has had much experience dealing with girls so of course they don't recognize gold diggers or tramps at first sight. Honest noob mistake. Lesson learned I hope.
Cogito Ergo Sum
juxtaposedhearts0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States50 Posts
June 08 2011 22:56 GMT
#194
On June 09 2011 07:23 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:
I really enjoy this type of stuff because you find out so much about people (the ones involved, in particular) that you otherwise can only speculate. Actions speak loudly, though.

That aside, no one is owed any explanation, and the way you guys are swarming Ret or the OP like you're entitled to answers is a bit sick. Leave them to it. The OP is an idiot for posting anything publicly about this in the first place, and it definitely doesn't mean someone like Ret or Catz owes you guys public explanations or anything, regardless of the foolishness of their actions.

I think this has a lot of validity.

Being involved makes it easy to get caught up in the drama but I am definitely stepping back and letting this work itself out.
Twitter: juxtaposedheart
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
June 08 2011 22:58 GMT
#195
On June 09 2011 07:05 Theoriginalrod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum.




And yet here you are doing this, I find this whole thing pretty funny. This is now pretty much what you will be known for now.


Let me respectfully disagree with you there. One word. Assembly.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
June 08 2011 23:01 GMT
#196
On June 09 2011 07:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:32 Lunares wrote:
On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.


You can't really say that his private life should be staying private. "Famous" people (obviously I am using that term loosely as no SC2 player is really "famous" in north america) do not have the same expectation of privacy, at least in NA, as do the everyday person. There are no laws or anything regarding the matter.

The fact is that when you have many people who are your fans, or look up to you, then your personal behavior is subject to more scrutiny simply because you have more people watching what you do. The same is true for any sports star or actor, anything "personal" they do that reflects badly upon them is quite often found out by paparazzi and sold. Gossip, drama, etc is a good business.

Ret is by no means obliged to tell us anything but we absolutely have the right to be judgemental, especially if we are only given one side of a story that paints ret in a bad light that he refuses to refute. His image is a.) something people look up to, admire, or want to watch and b.) reflective of him, TeamLiquid, and all the according sponsors. That is what happens when you are someone with at least some importance. I am sorely disappointed that he didn't realize this and approach this situation much better, and I know that I am not alone. Something like this reflects badly upon his professional team and that is why it is subject to more scrutiny. If it didn't effect others then yes it wouldn't be an issue. But he is a representative of a brand and therefore yes I am influenced by this. I know that I am much less likely to want to watch his games for at least the short term simply because I wouldn't like the player.


1: Yes, famous people have been victims of paparazzis and lack of privacy for years. But isn't this pretty fucking horrible? I mean, in some instances you have dumb celebrities who want fame for the sake of being famous - and in that case they did give up their privacy. But for most celebrities, they are celebrities through being exceptionally good at something - and the fame and thus lack of privacy is something of a negative, unintended consequence. In fact, you might say that this sort of, gossipy behaviour, is in fact discouraging exceptionalism. And that, to me, is bad.

2: Just because something is good business, does not mean it should be encouraged. Weapons, prostitution and drugs make up three of the biggest industries in the world. While at least two out of these three might give you entertainment, I think we can largely agree that they contribute more bad than good.

3: The reason why you cannot be judgemental is that you are judging based on incomplete information. So far you have heard the story of one disgruntled part whom is obviously really biased, one part has not posted anything, and the third part has posted that not everything posted is true, but that he feels this is within his private sphere and that it is none of your concern. That should end it - it's none of your concern. Ret is a sc2 player, judge him based on that.

I think there's a difference between europe and usa in this aspect though, you have far more people who are famous for being famous, and with the exception of england, the right to privacy is far more respected in europe - unless someone's private actions are actually in direct conflict with their public persona, then I don't see how it matters at all.


I agree in the fact that paparazzi is bad and so is the gossip industry. I tend to not care at all and completely ignore most of it, I hate it when a news channel covers something stupid like "Justin Bieber's new haircut". Also I do agree, it is more of a thing in America than in Europe which is why I think Ret didn't realize what could happen here. Also there is actually other partial information from people who were at MLG and saw Ret / Catz with this girl apparently (from the reddit thread).

Going forward however there are lessons to be learned. Forging e-sports into something that is actually respected though means that we really do need to avoid situations like this, for both the sport and the players. For the sport this just reflects badly. Yes it happens in established sports, but what kind of image do people get of e-sports when they hear of players acting like this? For Ret himself it even does have consequences. It's extremely unlikely but if he is in a close position with another player to get invited to a tournament couldn't the tournament sponsors decide to go with someone else to avoid a negative incident associated with the sponsors?

I just hope that any other player that gets involved with groupies (Idra) learns a lesson in at least how to be careful here. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with getting with a groupie, but it does have to be done with more tact than what was done here. I don't blame Ret too much for what went on though, I do believe he was a little blindsided with how america approaches privacy.
BandonBanshee
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada437 Posts
June 08 2011 23:03 GMT
#197
On June 09 2011 07:08 frogmelter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:02 ptbl wrote:
I think Ret, Catz, and the girl is in the wrong. I feel sorry for the dude who got cheated on. As Ret said, there are two sides to a story, but when you have 10+witnesses from MLG confirming the cheated dude's story...


+1...

I was a fan of ret since BW but this is a bit too much...

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Heh so many lies. In my skype conversation with you you messaged me from her skype after you got into her house I had just found out that you posted on reddit. I didn't know I was doing something so terrible I thought you guys broke up on friday, which technically you did! but I have also heard about some fucked up shit you did. You seem to be enjoying the attention thought but this is really none of anyones business its only between the people involved so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum.


If you've done nothing wrong then why not explain yourself? You owe it to your fans...

He doesn't owe shit to anyone.
Xswordy
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-08 23:40:24
June 08 2011 23:04 GMT
#198
To me the chick's boyfriend seems pretty much an attention whore. Why would he make a thread on reddit telling us his story in the first place, then come here and give details? Seems he's looking for some kind of revenge on his ex-gf that he will never get.

Edit: Yeah and let's not forget about the "My gf will strip on stream for free lessons" thing.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 08 2011 23:04 GMT
#199
Why do the fans care about his personal life and not the thing that makes you a fan.

His SC2 skills.


How peculiar.
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BankaiPwn
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada40 Posts
June 08 2011 23:08 GMT
#200
http://www.reddit.com/user/the7ak3

This kid started a thread on reddit to get viewers because his GF (now ex-GF) wanted to start a STRIP SC2 STREAM for LESSONS. How he did not see this coming, I have no idea and he deserves everything that happened to him.
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