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On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Heh so many lies. In my skype conversation with you you messaged me from her skype after you got into her house I had just found out that you posted on reddit. I didn't know I was doing something so terrible I thought you guys broke up on friday, which technically you did! but I have also heard about some fucked up shit you did. You seem to be enjoying the attention thought but this is really none of anyones business its only between the people involved so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum.
As is the case in many of these girl between multiple guys situations, the girl is pretty much entirely in the wrong. She certainly was broken up with her boyfriend as of Friday, no one would deny this even the boyfriend's own account doesn't. The inconsistency is that she continued to tell her ex that she wanted to be with him while telling Ret and Catz presumably that the relationship was over. Both parties had been deceived I am sure and it is infinitely more complicated than people can explain in endless text rants of presumable credibility.
This post will probably go unnoticed amongst the thousands of "Dramabomb" screams that will be uttered until the internet decides to move on to the next one, but honestly I don't think you can fault any of the guys in this situation. They were all lied to by the one girl. This is a common social situation that occurs. Sorry if that seems sexist but I can think of tons of examples I have witnessed growing up where completely similiar situations have occurred.
TL;DR: Bitches lie, calm down bros
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On June 09 2011 07:02 ptbl wrote:
I think Ret, Catz, and the girl is in the wrong. I feel sorry for the dude who got cheated on. As Ret said, there are two sides to a story, but when you have 10+witnesses from MLG confirming the cheated dude's story...
it doesnt matter what you think though. as much as its fun to swim in the drama you cant make statements over who is right and wrong when none of us know whats going on.
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On June 09 2011 07:08 the7ak3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Heh so many lies. In my skype conversation with you you messaged me from her skype after you got into her house I had just found out that you posted on reddit. I didn't know I was doing something so terrible I thought you guys broke up on friday, which technically you did! but I have also heard about some fucked up shit you did. You seem to be enjoying the attention thought but this is really none of anyones business its only between the people involved so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum. She cheated on me previously, she cheated on her ex before me multiple times. I found all of this out after we broke up. You are her next victim Ret. She is using you to get a free trip to the Netherlands, sure she will fuck you and make you feel special but she didn't even know of you before MLG. Her favorite zerg player was catz. Does that make any sense? NO. At the same time she is on skype telling you she thinks your cute and that she can't wait to see you, that she would just die if she got to come see you, she is trying to get back together with me. Telling me she wants to marry me, we we have to be together and that she needs me.
OHHH MY GAWDD DUDE. Lol. If there is a place to do this, it's PMs bro, putting this out in the open is making it more embarrassing for yourself!
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On June 09 2011 07:12 Blizzopticon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Heh so many lies. In my skype conversation with you you messaged me from her skype after you got into her house I had just found out that you posted on reddit. I didn't know I was doing something so terrible I thought you guys broke up on friday, which technically you did! but I have also heard about some fucked up shit you did. You seem to be enjoying the attention thought but this is really none of anyones business its only between the people involved so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum. As is the case in many of these girl between multiple guys situations, the girl is pretty much entirely in the wrong. She certainly was broken up with her boyfriend as of Friday, no one would deny this even the boyfriend's own account doesn't. The inconsistency is that she continued to tell her ex that she wanted to be with him while telling Ret and Catz presumably that the relationship was over. Both parties had been deceived I am sure and it is infinitely more complicated than people can explain in endless text rants of presumable credibility. This post will probably go unnoticed amongst the thousands of "Dramabomb" screams that will be uttered until the internet decides to move on to the next one, but honestly I don't think you can fault any of the guys in this situation. They were all lied to by the one girl. This is a common social situation that occurs. Sorry if that seems sexist but I can think of tons of examples I have witnessed growing up where completely similiar situations have occurred. TL;DR: Bitches lie, calm down bros
You should probably ask her roommate about this one, cause she was with her most of the time. After the break up she did nothing but talk to ret about how terrible it was and how much we needed to get back together. In turn he tells her everything is going to be ok, holds hand with her, kisses her and then flies her to the Netherlands.
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Norway28876 Posts
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.
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On June 09 2011 07:05 Theoriginalrod wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 07:00 Liquid`Ret wrote:
so I don't want to go and explain myself here on a forum. And yet here you are doing this, I find this whole thing pretty funny. This is now pretty much what you will be known for now.
1. This thing is not funny, I cant understand how anyone can find such a situation funny, thats sick.
2. While you may be partly right by implyng that people will remember this, I think that Ret still will mainly be known for being a great Starcraft player and I really hope that we don't forget what this community is all about: Starcraft, not Drama. (at least I hope so)
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Karma is a bitch, seeing your previous post on reddit, what did you expect from her? How can you complain she is a groupie now ??
Ret is the victim here, he wasn't even the first target (catz) for her.
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Oooooh, Ret had to ask for backup. This must be serious...
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Wow seriously no need to drag this through the mud even more. BTW the psycho bitch girlfriend sounds like she has Histrionic personality disorder. Just read through the symptoms lol Psycho Bitch Disorder
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On June 09 2011 07:08 the7ak3 wrote:
Her favorite zerg player was catz. Does that make any sense?
Of course it makes sense. Have you not seen CatZ? Or heard him sing?
Anyways, there's things going on here that probably shouldn't be meddled with by us forum-goers. It's all speculation, and it's business between those involved.
Sucks CatZ didn't get to play regardless of all this stuff!
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I really enjoy this type of stuff because you find out so much about people (the ones involved, in particular) that you otherwise can only speculate. Actions speak loudly, though.
That aside, no one is owed any explanation, and the way you guys are swarming Ret or the OP like you're entitled to answers is a bit sick. Leave them to it. The OP is an idiot for posting anything publicly about this in the first place, and it definitely doesn't mean someone like Ret or Catz owes you guys public explanations or anything, regardless of the foolishness of their actions.
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Netherlands4523 Posts
there's a lot of untrue stuff being said, but i don't want to get into that. i met a girl, i thought she was single. i didn't think two single people hanging out was a big deal. please respect the privacy of the people involved. thanks!
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fuck lol what an awesome thread.
though we haven't heard her side of the story i still sympathize with the boyfriend. as far as a relationship goes there isn't anything worse than knowing your partner is hooking up with other people - forget about the fact that you are in close proximity it's still bad on principle.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
"Women are like monkeys swinging from vine to vine, they don't let go of one until they've grabbed onto the next."
I really cannot even pity the boyfriend in this case. He already tried to make that strip-tease Starcraft bs then took his GF straight into the lion's den. I am not going to attempt to comment on this guy because I do not know him or what really happened but based on the info given by him in his reddit he was pretty much letting his GF flaunt around all weekend without taking any action (whether it be confronting the guys attempting to hit on her, or to tell her to wake the fuck up or it's over). When things are slipping away you must do SOMETHING or you are screwed. Now granted you may have not known your GF was capable of blatantly disrespecting you so you tried to give her the benefit of the doubt for a while, but still, come on!
And can you really blame Ret? You are a progamer at a huge event where now tons of fan girls are attending. Any man who has groupies who has access to the groupies will usually try to get with the groupies, it's just the law of fame. And for you all to assume that "Ret knew she had a bf!" or that to him she is merely some groupie who said "oh hey I hear you have pretty good zerg wanna fuck?" is pretty dumb. What probably happened is this girl was showing obvious interest in Ret and probably talked and got to know each other better then told him her and her BF are done. Now, knowing the BF is still around would I get involved with this girl? Well that depends on 1. how hot is she and 2. how dangerous is he (LOL). But whatever, you cannot blame Ret, if he likes her and she likes him they are both free to do whatever they want and that includes spending 1k on a plane ticket.
If I was the ex-bf would I have posted that shit online in an attempt for revenge? No I would probably wait around for as long as it takes to assemble a plan to have his legs broken, but that's just me and I'd never get in this situation anyways. But I can't really blame him for posting it all. Such is life and whatever makes u feel better 
Cliffs notes:
1. EX-Boyfriend was either a naive retard or a pussy at MLG.
2. You cannot blame Ret for swooping up a groupie fresh on the market
3. Most girls are sluts like men too, except as in this case some don't hide it as well as others.
4. Sorry Ret but this is just the price you must pay for your fame
P.S. Who cares if she made out with a newbie like Catz, obviously she has to work her way up the ladder to go from Gold to Masters with a real progamer, Liquid`Ret!
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wow what a retarded thread, all this over 1 slut
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RekRul's post nailed it. Everything that needed to be said has been said.
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On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.
I agree for the most part. It's their private life, but it's kind of naive to think publicly talking about in the transparency of a forum isn't going to cause some people to throw in their opinions.
Personally I could care less about the whole thing, and I wouldn't really bother taking the time to type something for or against something that happened that has nothing to do with me personally.
There are however two things that stick out to me:
1. I like the fact that the mods aren't trying to cover the e-tracks here. Maybe as the sport becomes more popular people will think more about what they do in the spotlight or at a major event.
2. Speaking of major event, the part that DOES bother me about this, was that it was at MLG. I've talked to players that have made decent showing at these events, and they always tell me how it's a lot of fun and they generally drink a lot and have a good time. Well, that's fine I guess AFTER the event. In context to this story, it seems like a lot of this happened during the event.
Seriously, how can we talk about "pro-houses" and training to "catch up with the Koreans" when we can't keep it in our pants and focus seriously for just 3 fucking days? That just makes me sad. Really Sad.
Well w/e though.... on the lighter side of things, sounds like you found a real winner there Ret :/
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On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental.
You can't really say that his private life should be staying private. "Famous" people (obviously I am using that term loosely as no SC2 player is really "famous" in north america) do not have the same expectation of privacy, at least in NA, as do the everyday person. There are no laws or anything regarding the matter.
The fact is that when you have many people who are your fans, or look up to you, then your personal behavior is subject to more scrutiny simply because you have more people watching what you do. The same is true for any sports star or actor, anything "personal" they do that reflects badly upon them is quite often found out by paparazzi and sold. Gossip, drama, etc is a good business.
Ret is by no means obliged to tell us anything but we absolutely have the right to be judgemental, especially if we are only given one side of a story that paints ret in a bad light that he refuses to refute. His image is a.) something people look up to, admire, or want to watch and b.) reflective of him, TeamLiquid, and all the according sponsors. That is what happens when you are someone with at least some importance. I am sorely disappointed that he didn't realize this and approach this situation much better, and I know that I am not alone. Something like this reflects badly upon his professional team and that is why it is subject to more scrutiny. If it didn't effect others then yes it wouldn't be an issue. But he is a representative of a brand and therefore yes I am influenced by this. I know that I am much less likely to want to watch his games for at least the short term simply because I wouldn't like the player.
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On June 09 2011 07:29 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Oh come on guys, some of you must have been blinded by years of media bs giving you a feeling of fucking entitlement. Ret doesn't owe any of you an explanation, because this entire issue is wholly irrelevant to everyone but three or four people. I can understand that this is a funny story and that it produces some entertainment value, but how are any of you influenced by this? You don't know what girl in question and ret talked about in private. you don't know what ex boyfriend and girl in question talked about in private. you don't know what ret's perception of girl in question and ex boyfriend's relationship status was. ret is by no means obliged to tell you either - his status as a professional starcraft two gamer does not mean that every aspect of his private life is up to scrutiny. enjoy the show if you want, but with the exception of ex-boyfriend, none of you have the right to be judgemental. I agree for the most part. It's their private life, but it's kind of naive to think publicly talking about in the transparency of a forum isn't going to cause some people to throw in their opinions. Personally I could care less about the whole thing, and I wouldn't really bother taking the time to type something for or against something that happened that has nothing to do with me personally. There are however two things that stick out to me: 1. I like the fact that the mods aren't trying to cover the e-tracks here. Maybe as the sport becomes more popular people will think more about what they do in the spotlight or at a major event. 2. Speaking of major event, the part that DOES bother me about this, was that it was at MLG. I've talked to players that have made decent showing at these events, and they always tell me how it's a lot of fun and they generally drink a lot and have a good time. Well, that's fine I guess AFTER the event. In context to this story, it seems like a lot of this happened during the event. Seriously, how can we talk about "pro-houses" and training to "cacth up with the koreans" when we can't keep it in our pants and focus seriously for just 3 fucking days? That just makes me sad. Really Sad. Well w/e though.... on the lighter side of things, sounds like you found a real winner there Ret :/
Someone sounds a little jealous.
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