• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:28
CEST 14:28
KST 21:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)65ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BW General Discussion [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6729 users

an appreciation for life

Blogs > Senya
Post a Reply
Senya
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
54 Posts
May 15 2011 06:08 GMT
#1
We've heard about the devastating events and unfortunate lifestyles around the world and appreciated that we were not put through that experience. Some people find it in their hearts to donate to charity funds and that's it. Sure, financial support definitely helps the needy however there is another type of support that is much more helpful, emotional. Think about it: what do you feel when you hug a friend or family member? You feel appreciated and loved. The connotations behind a hug present a healthy interpretation of the meaning of life. So the victims of natural disasters like tsunamis and earthquakes should be financially and emotionally supported because it helps establish a link or unity that can help create a better world. Instead of clicking a couple times and donating an arbitrary sum of money to Red Cross or WWF or other charities, draw pictures (because some people can't read English) depicting your concerns and reach out to them or if you have the necessary resources, go out and volunteer in countries.
What about those who just don't care? Currently, I have no answer to try and persuade them except Plato's Republic. In the Republic, Plato explains why you should live a good and just life.
Once we can establish this unity, we can create a stronger bonded world and take our minds off of superficial things (i.e. money and personal luxury) and work to support society as a whole because we have this appreciation for life.

This idea may be a bit too communal because it is based off Plato's Republic. This communal aspect does have good implications in my mind however it is very hard to implement because of apathetic people who only live life to feed their desires. These people are similar to tyrants because they live for desire. The philosophical person seeks truth and reason and it makes sense for the philosophical person to be peaceful because there is no benefit that comes from fighting.

Sorry to cut you guys off like this, it's 2 am and I'm tired so that's it for now. Just let me know what you guys think. Thanks

*****
Hard work is meaningless if you do not believe in yourself. - Gai Sensei
Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 06:55:10
May 15 2011 06:53 GMT
#2
I like our race. As a person considering the cold death as an inevitable outcome I find it amazing how we act. We're here set with our instincts to protect ourselves and our offspring, something (which in principle) that should push us to be as xenophobic as we can be, but we've turned this world into a inter-connected community. We've actually gotten to a point where some forms of xenophobia (those against race) are considered taboo. It's like we're fighting our instincts, a middle-finger to nature... and I absolutely love it.
...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 07:09:52
May 15 2011 07:09 GMT
#3
Doesn't the "philosophical person" who seeks truth and reason seek it because he derives "pleasure" from it. Is he really seeking knowledge for the sake of knowledge or from the pleasure he gets from it?
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 07:32:23
May 15 2011 07:31 GMT
#4
I like Aristotle much better. More down to earth and doesn't try to sort of escape from reality like Plato.
it is very hard to implement because of apathetic people who only live life to feed their desires

aren't the truly apathetic the ones who don't even care for themselves?
Doesn't the "philosophical person" who seeks truth and reason seek it because he derives "pleasure" from it. Is he really seeking knowledge for the sake of knowledge or from the pleasure he gets from it?

Depends who this person is, and what you mean by pleasure. Some people pursue this quest because they simply can't do anything but think philosophically. They're sort of like Socrates and they have an innately driven quest that they can't quite explain. Other people on the more practical level are philosophers for their own and others' ends, and make the more basic philosophies that most people go by in life. They go about and try to figure out the simple problems in life. There's a kind of satisfaction that JS Mill talked about in defending his utilitarianism, and that's the intellectual kind, not associated with things like pleasure from food, water, sex, etc.

I myself seek reasoning and truth for the same reason as Aristotle: to balance out the extremes of pleasures and pains and to not get carried away with emotions. It's interesting to think of it when you consider that this reasoning will end up giving me a more balanced life rather than being extremely happy, and yet that's my aim in implementing this philosophy. But there's more to it than that, and I think that's within what JS Mill said about a more intellectual satisfaction. But that's as much as I can say with what you've said.
Senya
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-15 08:02:44
May 15 2011 07:39 GMT
#5
On May 15 2011 16:09 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Doesn't the "philosophical person" who seeks truth and reason seek it because he derives "pleasure" from it. Is he really seeking knowledge for the sake of knowledge or from the pleasure he gets from it?

Well, in a sense, the philosophical person does experience some pleasure from it, however the TRUE philsophical person does not seek knowledge because of the pleasure but from the knowledge. It's subtle.
*edit* I meant to say that the philsophical person does not seek knowledge for pleasure but for reason and science.

On May 15 2011 16:31 Roe wrote:
I like Aristotle much better. More down to earth and doesn't try to sort of escape from reality like Plato.
Show nested quote +
it is very hard to implement because of apathetic people who only live life to feed their desires

aren't the truly apathetic the ones who don't even care for themselves?
Show nested quote +
Doesn't the "philosophical person" who seeks truth and reason seek it because he derives "pleasure" from it. Is he really seeking knowledge for the sake of knowledge or from the pleasure he gets from it?

Depends who this person is, and what you mean by pleasure. Some people pursue this quest because they simply can't do anything but think philosophically. They're sort of like Socrates and they have an innately driven quest that they can't quite explain. Other people on the more practical level are philosophers for their own and others' ends, and make the more basic philosophies that most people go by in life. They go about and try to figure out the simple problems in life. There's a kind of satisfaction that JS Mill talked about in defending his utilitarianism, and that's the intellectual kind, not associated with things like pleasure from food, water, sex, etc.

I myself seek reasoning and truth for the same reason as Aristotle: to balance out the extremes of pleasures and pains and to not get carried away with emotions. It's interesting to think of it when you consider that this reasoning will end up giving me a more balanced life rather than being extremely happy, and yet that's my aim in implementing this philosophy. But there's more to it than that, and I think that's within what JS Mill said about a more intellectual satisfaction. But that's as much as I can say with what you've said.


I don't consider the true apathetic person to be a person of society. YES, I agree with Aristotle's golden mean. However, the point was that embracing society and caring about everyone and living in a communal world is very likely to be the golden mean doesn't it?
Hard work is meaningless if you do not believe in yourself. - Gai Sensei
qdenser
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada133 Posts
May 15 2011 13:50 GMT
#6
meh rather than try to be good or just do whatever the hell i want i try to live neutrally and not bother anyone. i try not to do anything greedy or bad, like for example i don't want to be a high paid executive or anything, but i'm not going to pretend that it's worth giving up all my time in vain to try to be some kind of mother theresa either
BW is still out there and a lots of people still watch it. SC2 is a different game and different people. Please go back to BW if you think sc2 is not suited for you - Dustin Browder
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
May 15 2011 13:57 GMT
#7
I like Aristotle much better. More down to earth and doesn't try to sort of escape from reality like Plato.


Both are integral to the development of our civilization. The sum of Platonic virtue is transcendence. The sum of Aristotilean virtues is moderation. The aims of modern theoretical science, avant-garde arts, and most political, ethical, and personal endeavours are Platonic. TL.net, a virtual-reality, is heavily inclined toward Platonism, and most of our virtues are Platonic ones.

As I was thinking about some of our differences in opinion last night, I considered how rarely this forum observes Aristotle's definition of virtue, to wit, that deficiency and excess are the two poles of evil. Virtue lies at neither extreme, but in the middle. The moral compass of this forum is rather Manichean: with one extreme representing evil, and the other good. Hence a Liberal can never imagine such a thing as too much liberty, a democrat can never imagine such a thing as too much democracy, a progressive can never imagine such a thing as too much progress, a human rights activist can never imagine that humans can lay claim to too many rights, etc.

Despite the tendency of this forum toward anti-religiosity, the adoption by the Catholic Church of Tomism as its official theology makes the Catholic view of human nature rather more realistic than the supposedly rational outlook of our fellow forum-goers.

Inspiration and understanding link at a crossroad, and one ought not blame others if they possess a little too much of either zealotry or apathy.

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Douyu Cup 2020
05:00
2026 - Day 2
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
WardiTV1489
Ryung 811
CranKy Ducklings200
Rex79
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 811
Hui .193
elazer 143
ProTech108
Rex 87
MindelVK 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34781
Shuttle 1236
Jaedong 743
Light 448
Soulkey 441
BeSt 358
EffOrt 318
Soma 285
Hyuk 256
Zeus 226
[ Show more ]
Snow 182
ggaemo 164
Pusan 87
Rush 79
Killer 66
hero 63
Mind 58
Sharp 51
Aegong 38
PianO 38
ToSsGirL 37
[sc1f]eonzerg 35
yabsab 20
HiyA 20
Hm[arnc] 18
GoRush 16
zelot 15
Noble 13
Sacsri 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Icarus 5
Terrorterran 1
League of Legends
JimRising 371
Counter-Strike
x6flipin540
byalli462
Other Games
singsing2015
B2W.Neo621
Lowko391
crisheroes272
Happy254
hiko208
Sick170
Mew2King74
QueenE62
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream14258
Other Games
BasetradeTV154
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 29
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 150
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP19
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
3h 32m
Jumy vs eGGz
Harstem vs sebesdes
TriGGeR vs HeRoMaRinE
Douyu Cup 2020
16h 32m
Maestros of the Game
1d
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 1h
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 16h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Online Event
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Bombastic Starleague
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
OSC
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Bombastic Starleague
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.