probably because bisu/flash are miles ahead of boxer in terms of absolute skill. boxer certainly did alot for bw, but i feel flash isnt recognised for all the contributions he's made to terran.

anyways bisu is the odd one out. hes the one without an osl lololol

I find comments like this really frustrating.

Boxer and Nada (and any other Bonjwa) deserve to be recognised alongside the likes of Flash and Bisu, even if their absolute skill is nowhere near the skill level of players today.

A player's skill or success is measured by how good they are in relation to other people playing at that time. If you win X number of titles then you become a champion, and just because you then retire or get surpassed doesn't suddenly mean you're not a champion anymore. Being miles ahead of the competition in 2002 is just as worthy as being miles ahead of the competition in 2010. You can't use absolute skill to compare players from different generations because the absolute skill of any game is constantly rising. Absolute skill means nothing in the longterm.

Suggesting that Boxer or Nada's achievements are less worthy than Flash's is horseshit. On a similar note, when the next guy comes along after Flash, Flash will still be recognised as a champion even if the new generation of players have a far higher skill level.

GeckoVOD

Germany814 Posts

May 13 2011 11:10 GMT

#22

On May 13 2011 15:18 Yotta wrote:

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I hope that's not how you think a normal distribution works

I don't understand this "mathematics" either. There are so many basic fails in this - or I'm my text comprehension skills are too bad.

_awake_

196 Posts

May 13 2011 12:38 GMT

#23

On May 13 2011 19:57 FuRong wrote:

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what is this horseshit? you quoted someone discussing skill and you equated that with success. no one is downplaying boxer or nada's achievements.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 13 2011 13:20 GMT

#24

On May 13 2011 19:57 FuRong wrote:

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i dont care for any of that relative skill junk. i dont care if some dude back in the early years of humanity was a rock banging master, hes still just a rock banger compared to mozart. being miles ahead in 2010 is much more impressive because players are much more impressive, not to mention in this particular case, here was a very real threat to flash during his entire domination streak, and he STILL crushed harder than anyone else has ever had

im very happy that boxer and nada made such meaningful contributions to brood war and i never said they werent as important as flash's. all i said was that flash doesnt get nearly enough credit for what he's done - being innovative in an 11 year old game is much harder than being innovative in a really early, unexplored game.

if and when someone comes around that's better than flash, ill be saying the exact same thing about him too

Brad`

Canada548 Posts

May 13 2011 15:31 GMT

#25

On May 13 2011 18:53 maybenexttime wrote:

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You said you enjoy watching both but I find it hard to believe you actually follow BW after reading this. T____T

Yep. Whenever someone makes a retarded statement along the lines of "Brood war is figured out" I know they've never watched of a game of it in their life.

Kaal

Djibouti2539 Posts

May 13 2011 15:43 GMT

#26

On May 13 2011 15:20 Sprungjeezy wrote:
I'm not sure why Boxer wouldn't be with Flash/Bisu? The Emperor isn't a title given to anyone. 2 OSL wins and 1 MSL win, pretty sure he had a pretty solid ELO as well. I also feel he did a LOT for SC with his strategies and ingenuity.

He has three titles, Flash/Jaedong both have six. They're far more skilled than he ever was. The game has evolved leaps and bounds from when boxer played, and I feel like he gets more credit than he deserves for innovation. I think the biggest thing he "innovated" was the culture of personality that BW players get.

Yep. Whenever someone makes a retarded statement along the lines of "Brood war is figured out" I know they've never watched of a game of it in their life.

Been watching and playing six years, still D-, still no idea how they think of some of these metagame shifts like wraiths in tvt and queens tvz.

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