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Hey man I just wanted to say that as someone who has sort of been there, that is the basic procedure. My high school also said you could only take 3 AP sciences but they didn't do bullshit with making me drop.
What you should do is not worry to much about it. I ended up just forgetting about all that and taking AP Bio and it still helped a ton. Just realize that any class you are taking now is saving you a crapload of work in the future. From personal experience, it really helped to come into college with hours. I was able to go light on some semesters and avoid the premed weed out classes. Usually the first real chem class is super hard and curved to discourage people who aren't really ready to dedicate. Knowing you escaped at least a few of those is more than enough. You will be fine in the end, but it is really bull crap what happened on your test.
If you think the proctoring effected your results you should see if there is a way to contact the testing agency. They take that kind of thing really seriously, I know I never had a problem during my AP tests but I have heard other crazy stuff to. Good luck, man and don't worry too much you are already way ahead of the curve.
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Finished my last AP test today. Took 4 this year. Sooooo glad I'm a senior and that I'm done with this bullshit :D
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For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities.
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I don't know how life works out in California, but I was able to take concurrent enrollment (took classes in High School and College courses at the same time). I was able to make it to a second semester sophomore outside of high school doing this, so it might be worth a shot if there's anything similar where you are at.
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In short I'd talk to administration/counseling and make DAMN SURE what I understand is correct. I think that's the best course of action.
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Wow in my school its quite common to take 4,5, or even 6 AP classes. I feel really bad for you Z3kk...
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On May 10 2011 12:09 vectorix108 wrote:
Wow in my school its quite common to take 4,5, or even 6 AP classes. I feel really bad for you Z3kk...
He's taking like 5 APs. Just not the 3 sciences.
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On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities.
Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted.
For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance.
I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist.
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On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist.
Not all colleges do that though. In High School, I was lead to believe that me taking AP Chemistry, AP Calculus and a bunch of other courses meant I could skip AP Calc and AP Chem in college all together. Boy was that a load of horse shit. All that taking AP classes did for me was give me credits and that's it. I still had to take the classes in college to fulfill my major requirement, even though I already had the credits. Same thing happened to some friends and family as well. Personally, I don't think taking the classes was worth just being able to get my schedule done 2 weeks earlier than friends.
On May 10 2011 09:24 shinosai wrote:
Honestly I bet american high schools would do so much better if they'd just adopt the college system of scheduling. You pick the class and the time and make the schedule fit yourself, after being advised by a counselor. This makes sense. The high school way: Tell them what classes you'd "like" to take, then they make the schedule at the last fucking minute right before the first day of school, and say "lol woops we couldn't fit all ur classes in so we decided for you what classes to drop and which ones to add"
I wish the school system for both college and High school was like this. High School was a load of bullshit. I took 2-3 courses every year that I actually liked and needed for my future major. The rest were just bullshit that was used to take up my time.
In college, it's still the same bullshit. I have my Major courses and then I have all the other bullshit General Education requirement courses. The general courses are stupid and a waste of my money and time. I don't want to be learning about 1800s literature when my major is Finance -.- That makes no sense.
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On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist.
"On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior...
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Try to get into AP Chem if you can--APES is kind of the AP science for people that can't do science at my school. Chem is legit though. People say that physics + chem is hard, but honestly if you have a solid understanding of mathematics the physics is really easy and the chem is not too hard either.
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On May 10 2011 10:36 Froadac wrote:
In short I'd talk to administration/counseling and make DAMN SURE what I understand is correct. I think that's the best course of action.
Yeah, I'm going to do that. If I can't, then I'm probably going to throw the kitchen sink and talk to the district or whatever if I have to... I AT LEAST need to take chem. I'll let APES go only if I absolutely have to, and replace it with now-honors french lit or something...because assuming I have to only take 2 sciences, I cannot take any other AP science, have no interest in anatomy, no need for PE, no need for art credit, and everything else unweighted and/or terrible.
On May 11 2011 02:12 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist. "On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior...
That was one of the reasons the counselor gave me, but I want to take SAT II subject test etc to show I have aptitude there if I can, maybe will do competitions, and also want to have the knowledge before senior year. I may or may not take physics C online concurrently next year because I want to take the physics olympiad next year...and I definitely do not want to take ap chem online...
On May 11 2011 02:32 xxpack09 wrote:
Try to get into AP Chem if you can--APES is kind of the AP science for people that can't do science at my school. Chem is legit though. People say that physics + chem is hard, but honestly if you have a solid understanding of mathematics the physics is really easy and the chem is not too hard either.
Right, I'll just leave APES if I absolutely have to, though having that would be optimal (I also was planning on taking ap psych junior year instead of APES, but class sizes were too small so I couldn't take that).
I'm just really pissed because I know someone who somehow managed to get a class this year that he wasn't "supposed to"...he applied for honors anatomy this year as a sophomore and apparently he intimidated his counselor into putting him in the class...even kicking out juniors in his favor.
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On May 11 2011 02:12 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist. "On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior...
Of course it affects admissions.
Someone who took AP Chem instead of gym or heck, even APES, is a better admit than someone who didn't take AP Chem.
Rigor is a big part of your HS education. You can get a 4.0, be big on ECs and still be a completely worthless student because your HS schedule had no rigor.
As to the guy who said that you get credits for APs but you can't pass out of courses, that's false, at least at most non-Ivy, non-MIT/Stanford/Caltech schools. Here at UC Berkeley I skipped the entire undergrad math sequence and two out of three of the physics undergrad classes.
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On May 11 2011 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 02:12 n.DieJokes wrote:On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist. "On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior... Of course it affects admissions. Someone who took AP Chem instead of gym or heck, even APES, is a better admit than someone who didn't take AP Chem. Rigor is a big part of your HS education. You can get a 4.0, be big on ECs and still be a completely worthless student because your HS schedule had no rigor. As to the guy who said that you get credits for APs but you can't pass out of courses, that's false, at least at most non-Ivy, non-MIT/Stanford/Caltech schools. Here at UC Berkeley I skipped the entire undergrad math sequence and two out of three of the physics undergrad classes.
He's taking the maximum number of AP's and college courses on the side. You're right, rigor is very important but it doesn't apply in this situation, he is taking every possible course and then some. No admissions counselor on earth is going to look at his transcript and ding him for rigor because he pushed AP Chem back a year.
To the OP, why would you take SAT II in chem instead of Physics (which with prep is much easier to 800)? I assume you're also taking Math II and, idk, the history one at the end of the year (also pretty easy). You can't send more than three anyway (um, I think its been awhile). Yeah it sucks that some kids get special privilege but what can you do. Why don't you just start studying physics now?
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Have your parents raise hell with the school staff - there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to take 3 science classes. (AP Chem and AP ES are should not be stressful classes, by the way... AP ES is a joke and AP Chem is a 1 semester college course stretched over a whole year.)
It's not the end of the world if you can't take all 3, but you want to take them, and there's no reason in hell why a school staff should discourage its students from excelling. I'm totally with you on this issue. I would have been pissed as hell as well if my school ever told me that I couldn't handle the schedule I was signing up for.
I would guess that you can get them to concede if you and your parents are insistent enough about it. You probably will have to convince your parents to go in for you, and make sure that they present themselves as encouraging of your academic goals rather than presenting themselves as pushy Tiger Parents... just stress that it's really upsetting that the school is preventing you from achieving your fullest potential. Tell them that you can always just drop a course a few weeks into the year if it turns out to be too stressful for you to handle.
Good luck with everything. All of this AP credit will go a long way to making your life easier in college.
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On May 11 2011 14:53 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 11 2011 02:12 n.DieJokes wrote:On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist. "On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior... Of course it affects admissions. Someone who took AP Chem instead of gym or heck, even APES, is a better admit than someone who didn't take AP Chem. Rigor is a big part of your HS education. You can get a 4.0, be big on ECs and still be a completely worthless student because your HS schedule had no rigor. As to the guy who said that you get credits for APs but you can't pass out of courses, that's false, at least at most non-Ivy, non-MIT/Stanford/Caltech schools. Here at UC Berkeley I skipped the entire undergrad math sequence and two out of three of the physics undergrad classes. He's taking the maximum number of AP's and college courses on the side. You're right, rigor is very important but it doesn't apply in this situation, he is taking every possible course and then some. No admissions counselor on earth is going to look at his transcript and ding him for rigor because he pushed AP Chem back a year. To the OP, there's absolutely no reason to stress out about not getting your third science AP. You'll get the credit as a senior, no college will care and it'll give you a little more time to focus on French and the like. All that rage is wasted energy
The issue right now is that I skipped to AP French this year and finished it to free up my schedule for my junior year...and I literally have no classes to take now because I've finished my art, PE, and language credits... 
I'd also like to take the chem subject test (just a smallish thing), and perhaps I would be better prepared for summer programs and the ilk come my rising senior summer.
There really are no classes lol ...I mean I don't have much interest in bio, so I don't want to do honors anatomy; the biomed/engineering classes here come as a sort of mini-program that requires that one doesn't take more than a certain (small) number of weighted classes or something; and all my art/PE/lang credits are done, so there aren't any offerings besides APES anyway....so I sort of "have to" do 3 sciences, unless I want to take an extra year of band or french lit. Also my senior year I want to do bio, and would not like to do both at the same time in the midst of college apps and whatnot.
I've heard that APES isn't particularly difficult and isn't a heavy class (unlike calc/ush/phys/chem...english depends, I suppose), so that helps me a bit. I can handle it and have other activities for sure as long as I cut down on my computer time...which will be difficult but essential (I spend 4 hours on the comp on an easy day, 8 hours on the computer on a heavy usage day...usually in the middle at about 6 hours).
To the OP, why would you take SAT II in chem instead of Physics (which with prep is much easier to 800)? I assume you're also taking Math II and, idk, the history one at the end of the year (also pretty easy). You can't send more than three anyway (um, I think its been awhile). Yeah it sucks that some kids get special privilege but what can you do. Why don't you just start studying physics now?
I'm taking SAT II physics in june and am preparing for it  APs and the ilk have been bogging me down though (phys and math 2 in june, french if I have to retake it)
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On May 11 2011 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 02:12 n.DieJokes wrote:On May 10 2011 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 10 2011 09:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
For whatever its worth I can assure you whether or not you take ap Chem as a junior will have absolutely no impact on your college admissions. It's really not a big deal whether you take it now or in college as long you're taking some sort of ap science. Your time would probably be better spent reading or keeping a journal as ( and I realize this may be an unfair assumption) the essay is usually what makes or breaks kids like you at top tier universities. Actually, it has a huge impact, lol...particularly AFTER you get accepted. For example, I could potentially save thousands of dollars by graduating a year early, because I entered with so many AP and CC credits that I was classified as a junior upon entrance. I also get priority scheduling for my sophomore year because my class standing is as a senior...lol. I realized this when my phase I scheduling was like four weeks before all of my friends, so I got to pick classes that normally I couldn't because they just fill up to the brim and you get put on the waitlist. "On your college admissions" Admissions. Admissions. I'm also a freshman with sophomore credits, I know exactly how awesome AP credits are but he can take AP chem as a senior... As to the guy who said that you get credits for APs but you can't pass out of courses, that's false, at least at most non-Ivy, non-MIT/Stanford/Caltech schools. Here at UC Berkeley I skipped the entire undergrad math sequence and two out of three of the physics undergrad classes.
As a Cornell student, I will second this. I had enough AP credit that I'm able to skip my next spring semester and do a well-paid internship during that time. That's about a $35,000 net gain (saved tuition + internship pay) to take a few tests in high school.
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On May 11 2011 15:01 matjlav wrote:
Have your parents raise hell with the school staff - there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to take 3 science classes. (AP Chem and AP ES are should not be stressful classes, by the way... AP ES is a joke and AP Chem is a 1 semester college course stretched over a whole year.)
It's not the end of the world if you can't take all 3, but you want to take them, and there's no reason in hell why a school staff should discourage its students from excelling. I'm totally with you on this issue. I would have been pissed as hell as well if my school ever told me that I couldn't handle the schedule I was signing up for.
I would guess that you can get them to concede if you and your parents are insistent enough about it. You probably will have to convince your parents to go in for you, and make sure that they present themselves as encouraging of your academic goals rather than presenting themselves as pushy Tiger Parents... just stress that it's really upsetting that the school is preventing you from achieving your fullest potential. Tell them that you can always just drop a course a few weeks into the year if it turns out to be too stressful for you to handle.
Good luck with everything. All of this AP credit will go a long way to making your life easier in college.
Thanks! ^^ Sounds good~
It's not so much a problem of me not handling it (I can bring stuff to back me up in terms of qualifications I suppose, i.e. perfect sat I, though it really annoys me that I may have to prepare for PSAT junior year again because I want a high score on that for recognition/scholarships and whatnot...also there's some pressure because getting a full score on the sat I and doing poorly on the PSAT would look terrible lol ;__;) and more of an issue of class sizes: the max class size here is 38, the minimum is 25, and they had 43 people signed up, so they just tried to kick out as many people as possible since they didn't have enough for a new class. People may drop out of AP chem, but that may or may not fit into my schedule come junior year :[
Thanks again for the advice everyone hehe ^^
As a Cornell student, I will second this. I had enough AP credit that I'm able to skip my next spring semester and do a well-paid internship during that time. That's about a $35,000 net gain (saved tuition + internship pay) to take a few tests in high school.
Whoa, nice...!
Question: is it true that your AP scores are not considered during the application process? I've heard that they only look at your scores after acceptance to determine your credits, etc., but I vaguely remember seeing AP scores listed on some apps (common as well as specific ivy), and it sounds like wishful thinking. Is it true?
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On May 11 2011 15:11 Z3kk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 15:01 matjlav wrote:
Have your parents raise hell with the school staff - there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to take 3 science classes. (AP Chem and AP ES are should not be stressful classes, by the way... AP ES is a joke and AP Chem is a 1 semester college course stretched over a whole year.)
It's not the end of the world if you can't take all 3, but you want to take them, and there's no reason in hell why a school staff should discourage its students from excelling. I'm totally with you on this issue. I would have been pissed as hell as well if my school ever told me that I couldn't handle the schedule I was signing up for.
I would guess that you can get them to concede if you and your parents are insistent enough about it. You probably will have to convince your parents to go in for you, and make sure that they present themselves as encouraging of your academic goals rather than presenting themselves as pushy Tiger Parents... just stress that it's really upsetting that the school is preventing you from achieving your fullest potential. Tell them that you can always just drop a course a few weeks into the year if it turns out to be too stressful for you to handle.
Good luck with everything. All of this AP credit will go a long way to making your life easier in college. Thanks! ^^ Sounds good~ It's not so much a problem of me not handling it (I can bring stuff to back me up in terms of qualifications I suppose, i.e. perfect sat I, though it really annoys me that I may have to prepare for PSAT junior year again because I want a high score on that for recognition/scholarships and whatnot...also there's some pressure because getting a full score on the sat I and doing poorly on the PSAT would look terrible lol ;__;) and more of an issue of class sizes: the max class size here is 38, the minimum is 25, and they had 43 people signed up, so they just tried to kick out as many people as possible since they didn't have enough for a new class. People may drop out of AP chem, but that may or may not fit into my schedule come junior year :[ Thanks again for the advice everyone hehe ^^
Ah - excuse me for not reading the whole thread. Yeah, if it's a class size issue it will probably be harder to get them to budge, because it does make sense to kick out the guy who's already taking 2 other science classes. Hopefully you can get in, though. If not, it's not the end of the world - if you have a good SAT2 in Physics and Math, having a good SAT2 in Chem probably won't be that big of a deal.
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On May 11 2011 15:11 Z3kk wrote:
Question: is it true that your AP scores are not considered during the application process? I've heard that they only look at your scores after acceptance to determine your credits, etc., but I vaguely remember seeing AP scores listed on some apps (common as well as specific ivy), and it sounds like wishful thinking. Is it true?
I recall that most of my college apps ask you what AP Tests you have taken/will be taking and what scores you got on those that you have taken. Supposedly they're not very important, but they're important enough that the colleges ask for them on the application form. (Credit itself is determined from the transcripts that the College Board sends them after you are given your score.)
A line of 4's and 5's on AP tests shows that you are quite capable of college-level work. I don't see why they wouldn't consider that in your application. On the other hand, it might be seen as unfair to consider AP scores when many schools don't offer that opportunity. I'm no admissions worker, so I can't really say for sure.
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