If it is because of a lack of knowledge that the community turns a blind eye to disgusting behavior, then hopefully this post can bring some of that to light.
What moral code? What sort of loser comes out from being a notorious BW hacker, a fucking leper, and lectures someone else on moral strength? And now is revealed to be doing shady things as well. It could be argued that everyone else in the scene is doing it, but isn't the point of that moral code not to give in to pressure?
Just because you laid low for a while, doesn't mean you get to reinvent yourself and pretend you aren't the same lying scumbag you were in BW.
From what I gather, they used a ringer because they couldn't play without a 5th man (theirs left because it was Mother's Day). Yea, it's not excusable, but to call him a "scumbag" for it is too extreme if you consider the circumstances (circumstances I found out after reading for 5-10 min).
The boosting is wrong too, but again, not on the level you put it at. Select even tried to do it before everyone got on him about it. It's not something that hurts anyone.
All of it originates from the SS's, but it just looks like typical rage to me. You say things you don't mean when you are angry, that's just the nature of competitive gaming.
I'm not really condoning him for any of that (especially since I'm just taking a cursory glance); I think it's silly. It's just that I think your rage filled post to blow up something so trivial is equally silly.
I don't think this is nearly as scandalous as you think it is. As a comparison, multiple top LoL players have been boosting on their livestreams forever, and nobody seems to really care about it.
Hmm interesting, I didn't know that it's derogatory usage is in common use nowadays, I guess I shall retract my comments, though I think we can agree that it might not be the best word to use given that leprosy stigma still exists today.
Yeah, I agree with the others: this is not even close to the outrage you're trying to make it into. Dezzimal is also right in that I see LoL players do it all the time.
Besides, it's not like people don't already have an informed and almost uniformly negative opinion of Testie anyway. You don't really have any hearts or minds to sway.
Hmm interesting, I didn't know that it's derogatory usage is in common use nowadays, I guess I shall retract my comments, though I think we can agree that it might not be the best word to use given that leprosy stigma still exists today.
But it's exactly that stigma that the metaphor refers to. In other words, it's not so much alluding to the qualities of lepers as to their public reception (at least in the past). Given that, I don't see it as bigoted (although I wouldn't use it in front of an actual leper).
On topic--gee, I wish I had something to say on topic, but off-hand, without knowing much about the DotA community I'm not that sure about what happened or how bad it was. My impression is that Testie's team had a player smurfing under another player's name; is that right?
I think my younger brother played a game like this years and years ago. I think he called it Runescape. I made fun of him for it. I never gave it much credit either. Oh well, OP's nerd rage makes me laugh lol.
And yeah, I don't even want to go near that community
On May 10 2011 02:30 Char711 wrote: Yeah, I agree with the others: this is not even close to the outrage you're trying to make it into. Dezzimal is also right in that I see LoL players do it all the time.
Besides, it's not like people don't already have an informed and almost uniformly negative opinion of Testie anyway. You don't really have any hearts or minds to sway.
I have no stake in this, nor am I emotionally involved. I just wanted to use language that captured the sentiment behind the idea. If people feel no indignation at someone else's self righteous hypocrisy, then all the more power to them.
But if the view of such behavior and players is already as you said, looked down upon, that's great.
On May 10 2011 02:37 Professor Awesome wrote: Man, that dotallyrad site is HORRIBLE, what a shit community that must be...
It's not just the users - if anyone thinks Chill banning Idra was a powertrip, you haven't seen anything. The DOTA:Allstars and HoN community mods get into long arguments with users only to essentially end them with "u mad bro? lol perm'd".
Naventus, if anyone is disgusting, it is you. The decision to take on Era was not Testie's, it was the team's as a whole.
Stop spreading misinformation. Hopefully you get warned or banned for this post. Promoting hatred nor calling people things you have no basis to call them is nothing that belongs on this forum, and hopefully all Team Liquid forumeers are ashamed to have you as a fellow member.
On May 10 2011 02:37 Professor Awesome wrote: Man, that dotallyrad site is HORRIBLE, what a shit community that must be...
It's not just the users - if anyone thinks Chill banning Idra was a powertrip, you haven't seen anything. The DOTA:Allstars and HoN community mods get into long arguments with users only to essentially end them with "u mad bro? lol perm'd".
I feel compelled to link this in the thread about poor gamer representations in Law and Order just about a thousand times over in case anyone is questioning why gamers are all viewed as socially inept retards
I don't get why acct boosting is so bad, if someone wants to pay you to play there acct it doesn't really matter to you or anyone else, I guess it can be smurfing a little but but still money is money, as to the ringer that seems like a pretty stupid move =/
Testie didn't really do anything bad. It wasn't his fault Era ringed for them... it's been done in many many tournaments by pretty much every top team (sometimes it's a necessity just to get the game going). I'm sure if JoshP or somebody else had been available they would have played. This one tournament just happened to forbid ringing, who cares anyway?
And really who does account boosting hurt? Shit if I had the cash I would pay Testie 100 dollars to boost me to 2000PSR. Then I would go play a couple games, get destroyed, and end up back at 1600 where I belong.
This blog is disgusting, it's not like the guy is throwing matches or ghosting in public tournaments. I love watching his stream and I'm sure many many others do. There's no telling how many people bought HoN just because they saw how awesome it is on Testie's stream.
1. Every single HoN pro, except probably the Eg team, Ok,Msi, Rea and Dskb team boost accounts......... they even do it on the streams, I mean comeon, theres no reason to ban testie just like that i mean comeon....
2. Ringer....... again every team does it except in lans... except ok,rea,dskb,msi and eg... why dont hey do it well because those guys are always together, they are mostly always available, but members of dwi, lion, sk etc have 2 work and others....... It was a bad move but its not like no team does it you know?
cella did account boosting for sc2 accounts back in the day...
if the people that bought the account boosting played the accounts, they'll eventually just fall back to their regular psr OR regular league appropriate for their skill level anyways.
On May 10 2011 02:47 Slaughter wrote: What is Boosting?
for HoN -> you pay someone -> they play your account and bring it to a higher psr (like from 1500's -> 1600's or 1600's -> 1800's/etc) bracket for SC2 -> you pay someone -> they play on your acc and bring it to a higher league (such as to diamond or masters or so)
On May 10 2011 03:58 MiniDonbeE wrote: 1. Every single HoN pro, except probably the Eg team, Ok,Msi, Rea and Dskb team boost accounts......... they even do it on the streams, I mean comeon, theres no reason to ban testie just like that i mean comeon....
2. Ringer....... again every team does it except in lans... except ok,rea,dskb,msi and eg... why dont hey do it well because those guys are always together, they are mostly always available, but members of dwi, lion, sk etc have 2 work and others....... It was a bad move but its not like no team does it you know?
I'm pretty sure I've seen EG use Phe'V in a couple of matches.
Honestly when I look at that whisper convo, you really egged him on. I was expected two full images of him raging all over you, but alas it was just a normal mundane ragefest on both sides. Not thread-worthy imho
On May 10 2011 03:58 MiniDonbeE wrote: 1. Every single HoN pro, except probably the Eg team, Ok,Msi, Rea and Dskb team boost accounts......... they even do it on the streams, I mean comeon, theres no reason to ban testie just like that i mean comeon....
2. Ringer....... again every team does it except in lans... except ok,rea,dskb,msi and eg... why dont hey do it well because those guys are always together, they are mostly always available, but members of dwi, lion, sk etc have 2 work and others....... It was a bad move but its not like no team does it you know?
not that i really care about either side, but 'everyone does it' is never an excuse.
re: ancients, i kinda completely disagree there. from what it seems like, that wasn't a league match or anything, and if it's not against the rules, do it. if it's bad enough, it'll get patched. jungles aren't equal on both sides (you can pull twice (sometimes 3x, spawns permitting) on scourge safe lane, but only once on sent safe lane. is that fair? no. is it banned? only partially, and nobody seems to care about the part that's not banned. you can (spawns permitting) pull into scourge mid and sent mid, but for some reason only the sent pull is banned (correct me if i'm wrong). ditto for ancients issue. scourge is just a better pulling jungle, but sentinel has a better stacking jungle (you can triple stack with no boots with any ranged hero on sent, but not on scourge), and yet nobody's banning that stacking advantage.
makes no sense, if its that gamebreaking, abuse it and let it get patched (like the 3rd pull on scourge safe although it's not completely fixed). i really don't like tourney rules like that /shrug
On May 10 2011 04:30 xxpack09 wrote: Honestly when I look at that whisper convo, you really egged him on. I was expected two full images of him raging all over you, but alas it was just a normal mundane ragefest on both sides. Not thread-worthy imho
The screenshots were public a while ago. I'm not a player in the screenshots, nor am I involved in any way, I just follow the scene.
My intention is just to present the case and people can make their own judgements on character.
On May 10 2011 04:30 xxpack09 wrote: Honestly when I look at that whisper convo, you really egged him on. I was expected two full images of him raging all over you, but alas it was just a normal mundane ragefest on both sides. Not thread-worthy imho
The screenshots were public a while ago. I'm not a player in the screenshots, nor am I involved in any way, I just follow the scene.
My intention is just to present the case and people can make their own judgements on character.
Well, that's clearly not the case. You've skewed the course of the dialogue before anyone even opens the thread. I don't know enough about this scene to really understand the ramifications of the things you've presented in this thread, but from an outsider's perspective it kinda seems like a hatchet job.
Why do you care so much? You seem like you have a genuine nerve that was struck by this lol, first of all nobody cares about boosting except for S2 wanting to make a statement by nailing their highest profile name they have in the game. Testie did it, publicly, because it wasn't ever an issue and nobody really stated that it would be an issue. As for the "dirty ringer" thing. I'm not sure what was up with that but he's hardly the same person he was in BW, and to just lay it all down like this, I'm surprised you'd bother coming in here just to call him a "lying scumbag"
I am kind of confused, isn't this a god damn blog post. People seem to be raging because the OP was upset with something. If you don't like his opinion it is fine to post it but to say things like he doesn't have a right to his own opinion seems a little ridiculous.
Testie is the target of this rage because he has a past history and he is a big representative of the scene. I am not saying he has to be a perfect angel but with HON taking a nosedive I could certainly understand people being upset with people trying to make money with abusive behavior.
Zlasher United States. May 10 2011 05:13. Why do you care so much? You seem like you have a genuine nerve that was struck by this lol, first of all nobody cares about boosting except for S2 wanting to make a statement by nailing their highest profile name they have in the game. Testie did it, publicly, because it wasn't ever an issue and nobody really stated that it would be an issue. As for the "dirty ringer" thing. I'm not sure what was up with that but he's hardly the same person he was in BW, and to just lay it all down like this, I'm surprised you'd bother coming in here just to call him a "lying scumbag"
This is just emblematic of this ridiculous internet troll personality, where nothing matters because it is just the internet. Any outrage should be laughed at because in the end it doesn't matter. No you are fucking wrong. This guy got paid to ruin the games and help other people ruin games and as a pro player he shouldn't be boosting. I am not saying he should be banned or whatever but people have a right to be angry.
Also the argument of "it wasn't ever an issue" because "no one really stated it would be" is just ridiculous. Anyone who has thought for more than 2 seconds about boosting can understand why it might ruin a few games.
A ringer is someone not in your team roster but used as a substitue if you cant align a complete ligneup (more often than not by asking the other team beforehand if they are ok with it).
In this tournament, ringers were not allowed so they make the one they wanted to play with them use one of their team player account.
On May 10 2011 03:03 snorlax wrote: I don't get why acct boosting is so bad, if someone wants to pay you to play there acct it doesn't really matter to you or anyone else, I guess it can be smurfing a little but but still money is money, as to the ringer that seems like a pretty stupid move =/
If I go on LoL, and smurf on my friends 1200 ELO account and go 25/0 for 4 games straight, I take away all competitive spirit for all of the players involved. Smurfing ruins games.
On May 10 2011 03:03 snorlax wrote: I don't get why acct boosting is so bad, if someone wants to pay you to play there acct it doesn't really matter to you or anyone else, I guess it can be smurfing a little but but still money is money, as to the ringer that seems like a pretty stupid move =/
If I go on LoL, and smurf on my friends 1200 ELO account and go 25/0 for 4 games straight, I take away all competitive spirit for all of the players involved. Smurfing ruins games.
Ya know what I say to that? I say "holy shit, I wanna do that!!! I guess I'll just get really good and stomp all over kids too"
And the cycle runs it's circle.
Testie is cool, ringers are needed, and this thread is silly.
I don't think it's fair to bring up things Testie did over a decade ago (things you probably weren't even around to witness), after he has been such an important member of the community, a nice guy 95% of the time, in ToT, good friends with mondragon etc etc. Yes, he did redeem himself. He was humble and eventually became a interesting playing in the foreign community for BW. Although that's also kind of old news, it really doesn't have anything to do with this game.
I don't play HoN so I don't know the severity of the things he's done. The comments in the thread don't seem to suggest it's anything like what he did when he was 13 years old Is it playing twice for your team because someone is missing? Maybe it's like Proleague's Ace format
On May 10 2011 23:40 Chef wrote: I don't play HoN so I don't know the severity of the things he's done. The comments in the thread don't seem to suggest it's anything like what he did when he was 13 years old Is it playing twice for your team because someone is missing? Maybe it's like Proleague's Ace format
A ringer is someone who plays for some other team who comes to play with you in a particular match. Everyone does it but it happened that apparently it was not authorized in that tournament. Fun part is, Testie has absolutely nothing to do with it lol. OP is just mad at Testie for some reason.
On May 10 2011 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: What did they do to cheat? Pulled ancients?
I think it's about Legion pulling their ancients with Devourer and letting the tower damage them and pulling the creep wave to pursue them. That can get you a lot of early xp and gold (if you manage to get the last hit).
If that's it, I don't see how this would be different of picking pre-patch Legionnaire and exploit the charge bug.
Edit: nvm, this seems recent and I'm pretty sure Dev hooking ancients was fixed. Dunno.
Guys like testie TT1 spades are forever haunted by their stupidity and immaturity when they were at their teens. Still they carried their tainted name and trying their best to be legit ever since. Everything they say and do is under magnifying glass, that's the weight they carry for the rest of their pro gaming career as long as they carry that name.
On May 10 2011 23:01 Slakkoo wrote: What did they do to cheat? Pulled ancients?
I think it's about Legion pulling their ancients with Devourer and letting the tower damage them and pulling the creep wave to pursue them. That can get you a lot of early xp and gold (if you manage to get the last hit).
If that's it, I don't see how this would be different of picking pre-patch Legionnaire and exploit the charge bug.
Edit: nvm, this seems recent and I'm pretty sure Dev hooking ancients was fixed. Dunno.
how does this seem recent at all, lol, he's wearing the 5 tag making this back in beta
i'm pretty sure it's referring to pulling the scourge ancients into bottom lane (something you can do even today with ease) it's certainly not cheating though
On May 11 2011 01:39 rei wrote: Guys like testie TT1 spades are forever haunted by their stupidity and immaturity when they were at their teens. Still they carried their tainted name and trying their best to be legit ever since. Everything they say and do is under magnifying glass, that's the weight they carry for the rest of their pro gaming career as long as they carry that name.
I think most people don't care or are just joking when they bring it up. The few people who seriously care about people hacking when they were young BW players are retarded.
On May 10 2011 05:10 Zeroes wrote: all i know is LoL is better than HoN
join liquidparty.net where you cant get banned for boosting
No offense but your fucking stupid. The skill cap on LoL is so much lower then Hon/Dota. Why do you think Pro players will switch over to competitive LoL cause its easier and you can easily bust terrible players face.
On May 11 2011 01:39 rei wrote: Guys like testie TT1 spades are forever haunted by their stupidity and immaturity when they were at their teens. Still they carried their tainted name and trying their best to be legit ever since. Everything they say and do is under magnifying glass, that's the weight they carry for the rest of their pro gaming career as long as they carry that name.
Well I mean that isn't completely true. Other players (haypro, dimaga come to mind) had maphacking/streamwatching controversies in the past, yet through consistent demonstration of maturity they have gotten past it.
If you look at those screenshots that were posted, clearly Testie has not matured THAT much. A better example of this would likely be TT1. The way in which he responds to people on the forums just has this incredible air of immaturity and arrogance.
Basically what i'm trying to say is that it isn't that hard to transcend past reputations. Plenty of players have done it, and the Esports attention span isn't that long. However you don't build up a reputation as a "mature" person/player by calling people faggots and flaming on forums.
On May 11 2011 08:07 rei wrote: I never said anything about testie and TT1 being mature, i only said they became legit, as in not hacking and cheating any more in bw/sc2 community.
This is a statement that you made:
Guys like testie TT1 spades are forever haunted by their stupidity and immaturity when they were at their teens
I was merely stating that in certain cases, they have NOT grown out of this "stupidity and immaturity", so it seems reasonable for them to be under some what of a microscope.
Your original post was insinuating that these players do not deserve to be judged in the same light as they were in the past. I am saying that if they have changed nothing about their personality/public image why should they be treated differently?
On June 30 2010 02:31 rei wrote: The condemnation from incontrol and nony ( here ) Clearly stated that the community does not welcome a hacker back from any kind of competitive events.
and also the argument about getting good at the game and doing good at events will clear a hacker's name is a fallacy, because doing good at events and hacking is 2 completely different things.
On April 21 2008 08:40 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On April 21 2008 07:28 JoMal wrote: Too bad for TT1 =[ I guess he needs to win WCG Canada to clear his name now =]
To clear his name how? If he is good at SC:BW, then the tarnish on his reputation for being a cheater is cleared? The two things have nothing to do with each other. It's a sad thing that he's even eligible to compete in WCG.
TT1 didn't just hack, he lied about hacking, he betray his friend who he shared an account with and point the finger to that friend of his and said it was his friend who were hacking.
This is not a black and white issue. You cannot take two year old quotes and apply them to a case which is much more complicated than you make it out to be. Check out this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94907
The clear consensus in that thread is that tt1 has reformed. We can take the interview, and we can take the quotes by incontrol and Nony, which seem to argue against ever accepting claims of reform, and pit them against one another. Perhaps it is arguable whether tt1 is a member of the community who deserves a completely clean slate. However, the issue is not so clear-cut that you have the right to flame him without restraint. That's why you deserved the ban.
(imo)
I got owned for a 2 week ban, and i get a lot of leeway around for being part of the community since the very beginning.
On May 10 2011 03:03 snorlax wrote: I don't get why acct boosting is so bad, if someone wants to pay you to play there acct it doesn't really matter to you or anyone else, I guess it can be smurfing a little but but still money is money, as to the ringer that seems like a pretty stupid move =/
If I go on LoL, and smurf on my friends 1200 ELO account and go 25/0 for 4 games straight, I take away all competitive spirit for all of the players involved. Smurfing ruins games.
I disagree. I've learned far more from my games against obvious smurfs than against equal people. I don't mind smurfs in the least...you can learn alot from them.
As for the boosting? Who cares? I can't fathom why it's ban worthy.
As for the ringer? In most tournaments this is a typical and generally necessary allowance due to the nature of the game. It also was not only testies decision lol.
On May 10 2011 03:03 snorlax wrote: I don't get why acct boosting is so bad, if someone wants to pay you to play there acct it doesn't really matter to you or anyone else, I guess it can be smurfing a little but but still money is money, as to the ringer that seems like a pretty stupid move =/
If I go on LoL, and smurf on my friends 1200 ELO account and go 25/0 for 4 games straight, I take away all competitive spirit for all of the players involved. Smurfing ruins games.
I disagree. I've learned far more from my games against obvious smurfs than against equal people. I don't mind smurfs in the least...you can learn alot from them.
As for the boosting? Who cares? I can't fathom why it's ban worthy.
As for the ringer? In most tournaments this is a typical and generally necessary allowance due to the nature of the game. It also was not only testies decision lol.
The guy is so mellow these days.
you can certainly disagree with the ban (i do as well) but to say that you "cant fathom why it's ban worthy" is just silly. account sharing is against eula, breaking the eula is banworthy. that's all.
likewise 'everyone does it' isn't an excuse for breaking the rules it's kind of like pirating, yeah everyone does it but if a company gets on your nuts and sues the hell out of you, are you gonna tell them 'well everyone does it' and expect something good to happen? no, you're still the one breaking the rules.
i'm kind of disappointed about this thread tbh. i was expecting a discussion based around stuff like what should the nature of ringers in a team game be, how should tournament admins approach it, stuff like that, instead of "well everyone does it so clearly nobody should be punished" which is clearly wrong. ditto for the boosting. a discussion on its implications in games, not the "wtf why do you get banned for that" which is also clearly wrong
i suppose that's mostly the fault of the OP though /shrug
On May 10 2011 23:40 Chef wrote: I don't think it's fair to bring up things Testie did over a decade ago (things you probably weren't even around to witness), after he has been such an important member of the community, a nice guy 95% of the time, in ToT, good friends with mondragon etc etc. Yes, he did redeem himself. He was humble and eventually became a interesting playing in the foreign community for BW. Although that's also kind of old news, it really doesn't have anything to do with this game.
I don't play HoN so I don't know the severity of the things he's done. The comments in the thread don't seem to suggest it's anything like what he did when he was 13 years old Is it playing twice for your team because someone is missing? Maybe it's like Proleague's Ace format
Have the view on hacking changed somewhat over the last couple of years? Three years ago people would refuse to ever forgive a starcraft hacker. Even confessing you had touched a starcraft hack, even if you theoretically never even joined a multiplayer game would be enough to accumulate a shit storm.
As for the discussion in the screen shots in the OP, i dont really judge Testie by it, nor by what he has done earlier. Im not really that confident in what actually happened a decade ago. However, i think its worth giving a thought to as where the hell the reason for blurting out language like this comes from. Take a chill pill and learn to respect the fact that it is another person you are chatting to. It doesnt make one look hip, nor cool, only like a douche. And not even the kind of douche that gets all the girls, just a generally irritating douche no one likes.
This seems odd, as I recall a lot of people on this forum seemed to not like smurfing in general. Remember the thread when Blizzard limited you guys to one ID per account? That decision was applauded by a lot of people here so I hope none of those people are supporting that in this thread.
Smurfing is a legitimate way to play a game. Not even the game of SC2 can stop it from happening. Players can freely tank MMR's the same way they can with PSR. Boosting accounts is at the sole discretion of the person who paid for the service. Whether they can actually play at such a level is their own responsibility.
Smurfing is a completely legitimate tactic like backdooring. The fact that someone is able to do something and others are complaining it's unfair or whatever have pretty weak reasoning. IMO, they can learn a thing or two from someone who completely destroys in games.
On May 11 2011 12:02 zZygote wrote: Smurfing is a legitimate way to play a game. Not even the game of SC2 can stop it from happening. Players can freely tank MMR's the same way they can with PSR. Boosting accounts is at the sole discretion of the person who paid for the service. Whether they can actually play at such a level is their own responsibility.
Smurfing is a completely legitimate tactic like backdooring. The fact that someone is able to do something and others are complaining it's unfair or whatever have pretty weak reasoning. IMO, they can learn a thing or two from someone who completely destroys in games.
Then what's the point of the match-making system in the first place?
On May 11 2011 09:00 Jayme wrote: I disagree. I've learned far more from my games against obvious smurfs than against equal people. I don't mind smurfs in the least...you can learn alot from them.
As for the boosting? Who cares? I can't fathom why it's ban worthy.
I don't think boosting is unethical but it's generally banned by the game company because people are profiting off their game (ala gold farming in MMOs).
On May 11 2011 12:02 zZygote wrote: Smurfing is a legitimate way to play a game. Not even the game of SC2 can stop it from happening. Players can freely tank MMR's the same way they can with PSR. Boosting accounts is at the sole discretion of the person who paid for the service. Whether they can actually play at such a level is their own responsibility.
Smurfing is a completely legitimate tactic like backdooring. The fact that someone is able to do something and others are complaining it's unfair or whatever have pretty weak reasoning. IMO, they can learn a thing or two from someone who completely destroys in games.
Then what's the point of the match-making system in the first place?
So that people who don't smurf face even skilled opponents. You act like 50% of the population are smurfs or something.
Hi guys. Co-owner of the website here. I saw a lot of back linking and discussion so I thought I'd chime in.
I guess to elaborate, ringing is a huge issue in HoN. It is rampant. To be fair, my team uses ringers almost every single game, along with almost every other team.
S2, the developer, has had a hands-off approach to the problem, undermining HoN's competitive scene credibility. Investigation is only prompted in extreme circumstances. However, I think the issue arises when SK Gaming uses a ringer because they're held to a 'higher' standard, since they're a competitive organization. SK Gaming just got caught, and a player that is regarded poorly in the community pretty much 'snitched' on them. I think the snitching made the news more than the fact someone 'ringed.'
Yes, HoN loves drama and the people saying DotA/HoN is the worst community are spot on. As for Testie, I don't play with him too oddly much because he's more into streaming and playing with his girlfriend, but in leagues/inhouses he seems mannered but does take the game a bit.... seriously. I'd say he's extremely passive-aggressive, but I'm not sure he's a hypocrite because no one knows if he made the decision or not to allow a ringer.
That said, anyone want to pull me out of silver league so i can write for SC2, too? :DDDDD
On May 10 2011 04:30 xxpack09 wrote: Honestly when I look at that whisper convo, you really egged him on. I was expected two full images of him raging all over you, but alas it was just a normal mundane ragefest on both sides. Not thread-worthy imho
The screenshots were public a while ago. I'm not a player in the screenshots, nor am I involved in any way, I just follow the scene.
My intention is just to present the case and people can make their own judgements on character.
That's not true at all. With a title like "The Hypocrite Known as Testie" and low blows like calling him "a fucking leper," you are trying to sway public opinion against him. If you merely wanted to present the case, you would make a thread with a neutral title, link the articles, and explain what exactly the accusations are. You didn't even define what "ringing" is.
I'm not sure what your grudge against testie is, but the only one in this thread who comes off as a "fucking leper" is you.
On May 11 2011 12:02 zZygote wrote: Smurfing is a legitimate way to play a game. Not even the game of SC2 can stop it from happening. Players can freely tank MMR's the same way they can with PSR. Boosting accounts is at the sole discretion of the person who paid for the service. Whether they can actually play at such a level is their own responsibility.
Smurfing is a completely legitimate tactic like backdooring. The fact that someone is able to do something and others are complaining it's unfair or whatever have pretty weak reasoning. IMO, they can learn a thing or two from someone who completely destroys in games.
Then what's the point of the match-making system in the first place?
So that people who don't smurf face even skilled opponents. You act like 50% of the population are smurfs or something.
I'm not acting like 50% of the population are smurfs. I'm saying that every time someone smurfs against someone worse than them, their opponent is being cheated of the opportunity to face an even-skilled opponent. If you argue that there is no benefit in facing an even-skilled opponent, then what's the point of the match-making system in the first place?
On May 10 2011 02:37 Professor Awesome wrote: Man, that dotallyrad site is HORRIBLE, what a shit community that must be...
It's not just the users - if anyone thinks Chill banning Idra was a powertrip, you haven't seen anything. The DOTA:Allstars and HoN community mods get into long arguments with users only to essentially end them with "u mad bro? lol perm'd".
I feel compelled to link this in the thread about poor gamer representations in Law and Order just about a thousand times over in case anyone is questioning why gamers are all viewed as socially inept retards
we're viewed as what we are. I am alking about competitive gamers in this regard.
On May 12 2011 00:22 KingRaven wrote: Hi guys. Co-owner of the website here. I saw a lot of back linking and discussion so I thought I'd chime in.
I guess to elaborate, ringing is a huge issue in HoN. It is rampant. To be fair, my team uses ringers almost every single game, along with almost every other team.
S2, the developer, has had a hands-off approach to the problem, undermining HoN's competitive scene credibility. Investigation is only prompted in extreme circumstances. However, I think the issue arises when SK Gaming uses a ringer because they're held to a 'higher' standard, since they're a competitive organization. SK Gaming just got caught, and a player that is regarded poorly in the community pretty much 'snitched' on them. I think the snitching made the news more than the fact someone 'ringed.'
Yes, HoN loves drama and the people saying DotA/HoN is the worst community are spot on. As for Testie, I don't play with him too oddly much because he's more into streaming and playing with his girlfriend, but in leagues/inhouses he seems mannered but does take the game a bit.... seriously. I'd say he's extremely passive-aggressive, but I'm not sure he's a hypocrite because no one knows if he made the decision or not to allow a ringer.
That said, anyone want to pull me out of silver league so i can write for SC2, too? :DDDDD
THE KING HAS ARRIVED! haha
seriously though you really do need to add a serious madfilter to your perception of anything in dota/hon especially if you've only really experienced the incredibly manner SC community.
don't really have a personal opinion on the subject, but Testie was always a really boring player to watch in hon :p
I've asked HoN staff (gamemasters) if playing on another's account can get you banned - I've been told no multiple times. Therefore account boosting shouldn't be an issue, unless it's explicitly stated somewhere on the HoN site - which I don't think it is, but correct me if I'm wrong.
The ringing thing is a wrong thing to do, but I feel Testie's explanation was fair and at the very least it should be held against his entire team, not him personally.
The rage is standard, everyone gets mad once in a while, especially in HoN. Not to mention he's still under the [5] tag there which means it must have been eons ago.
On May 12 2011 00:22 KingRaven wrote: Hi guys. Co-owner of the website here. I saw a lot of back linking and discussion so I thought I'd chime in.
I guess to elaborate, ringing is a huge issue in HoN. It is rampant. To be fair, my team uses ringers almost every single game, along with almost every other team.
S2, the developer, has had a hands-off approach to the problem, undermining HoN's competitive scene credibility. Investigation is only prompted in extreme circumstances. However, I think the issue arises when SK Gaming uses a ringer because they're held to a 'higher' standard, since they're a competitive organization. SK Gaming just got caught, and a player that is regarded poorly in the community pretty much 'snitched' on them. I think the snitching made the news more than the fact someone 'ringed.'
Yes, HoN loves drama and the people saying DotA/HoN is the worst community are spot on. As for Testie, I don't play with him too oddly much because he's more into streaming and playing with his girlfriend, but in leagues/inhouses he seems mannered but does take the game a bit.... seriously. I'd say he's extremely passive-aggressive, but I'm not sure he's a hypocrite because no one knows if he made the decision or not to allow a ringer.
That said, anyone want to pull me out of silver league so i can write for SC2, too? :DDDDD
On May 10 2011 03:43 SK.Testie wrote: 1. I was told account boosting was fine to do. 2. wat.
This speaks for itself. Haha.
yup. Seems OP is angry about something.. dunno what... after looking up what this was about I feel it's blown way outta proportion by the OP... Good Job owning ppl though Testie lol Keep at it.
Hmmm angry blog by angry HoN community member about another angry HoN player. The purpose of which seems only to further anger TL members that play HoN. Wish I could say I was surprised at this but its the HoN community. "Standard -CatZ"
On May 13 2011 22:44 Pokebunny wrote: I've asked HoN staff (gamemasters) if playing on another's account can get you banned - I've been told no multiple times. Therefore account boosting shouldn't be an issue, unless it's explicitly stated somewhere on the HoN site - which I don't think it is, but correct me if I'm wrong.
The ringing thing is a wrong thing to do, but I feel Testie's explanation was fair and at the very least it should be held against his entire team, not him personally.
The rage is standard, everyone gets mad once in a while, especially in HoN. Not to mention he's still under the [5] tag there which means it must have been eons ago.
Like Poke said even gamemasters don't care about the games ladder credibility, and reading the articles provided in the OP neither does the developers... Why is this even on the table for being considered a competitive game? Because it makes angry kids scream, shout and act like 4chan scum bags? Apparently so...
EPT
Is it playing twice for your team because someone is missing? Maybe it's like Proleague's Ace format 
