• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:57
CET 14:57
KST 22:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Zerg is losing its identity in StarCraft 2 [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2221 users

Ladder Failage 2

Blogs > Froadac
Post a Reply
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 01 2011 06:32 GMT
#1
I took a break. I made a plan. I came back. I got stomped.

I had one game where I was up Three BASES, FUCKING OWNED A GUY, but he just builds a 3/3 BC fleet I can't deal with, while turtling with tanks. And just has no workers so he kills all my vikings and I lose.

And then I lose to a 5 gate robo.... I didn't play that well because I got flustered, but still it's frustrating. I have no idea what the heck I'm doing wrong apart fomr generally failing. I just want confirmation that my general gameplan is reasonable.

here are my builds that I'm doing.


Builds

TvT
Standard 1/1/1 with no addon marines, tanks, and medivac/Viking/banshee/raven depending on situation
Expand upon first push, or upon scouting banshee opening
Follow up with very standard tank-marine-Viking composition
Drop as soon as first two medivacs come out
Tvp
Execute painuser tvp tank marine push. If reflected, take third and proceed with the Rootkitty mech followup. (tank/hellion/Viking) 2 reactor factories, and 3 tech lab. Harass with hellions/dropships.
Add on marauders late game for harass
TvZ
Execute Rootkitty opening. Barracks, Factory, CC. After cc add on tech lab, get 3-4 hellions and blue flame, and add on another two barracks. Begin adding on tanks. Get one reactor, and one tech lab. After money is available add on second reactor on barracks. Push with 3-4 tanks, expand, and add on reactor starport/more barracks/another factory. Make sure to get early ebay around timing of third barracks. Second ebay when taking third. Armory when adding second factory.
(All approximate)

If that's reasonable, I feel like I've hit a wall. Which is stupid, because i'm still really bad so I shouldn't be hitting a wall. Just really really frustrated right now. I haven't been able to win anything for a week

*
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 01 2011 10:15 GMT
#2
Bump.

I'm also in a massive slump lately, hopefully someone can enlighten OP. Since our general strategy closely resembles each other.
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#3
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:24:30
May 01 2011 19:53 GMT
#4
On May 02 2011 03:30 LuckyFool wrote:
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D

Thanks. :D

So frustrating to be ahead like every game and then just lose

Am 3-0 today :D

Am now 4-0.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:24:01
May 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#5
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart.
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 03 2011 09:08 GMT
#6
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart


What does he expect when he kills all your SCV's ? its either your gonna attack, return the favor by killing his SCV's or try to catch up on economy. :/
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
May 03 2011 10:50 GMT
#7
Maybe you should learn more simple builds you yourself fully understand instead of copying other people's stuff. If you understand 100% what you're trying to do it might fit your own playstyle better.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV559
LiquipediaDiscussion
Kung Fu Cup
12:00
2025 Monthly #3: Day 5
Cure vs herOLIVE!
Reynor vs TBD
RotterdaM693
TKL 393
IndyStarCraft 284
SteadfastSC122
IntoTheiNu 43
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 693
TKL 393
Reynor 305
Tasteless 301
IndyStarCraft 284
Rex 149
SteadfastSC 122
Railgan 21
MindelVK 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35707
Rain 9015
Sea 4274
firebathero 4205
BeSt 1727
Horang2 1709
GuemChi 947
Soma 618
EffOrt 534
Stork 504
[ Show more ]
Mini 464
actioN 301
Rush 211
Killer 160
Last 151
Hyun 140
hero 135
scan(afreeca) 129
Mind 89
Bonyth 87
Barracks 63
Sharp 53
yabsab 50
zelot 50
Snow 49
Sea.KH 44
sorry 38
sas.Sziky 28
Shinee 17
Hm[arnc] 15
NaDa 11
Bale 6
Dota 2
singsing3002
qojqva1738
Gorgc1728
Dendi1107
XcaliburYe288
Counter-Strike
byalli575
x6flipin499
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor259
Liquid`Hasu181
Other Games
FrodaN5180
B2W.Neo1697
Pyrionflax363
Fuzer 268
KnowMe224
DeMusliM78
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream15417
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1715
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 8
• Dystopia_ 8
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV588
• Ler69
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
6h 4m
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
6h 4m
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
9h 4m
Wardi Open
22h 4m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
6 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.