• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:43
CEST 22:43
KST 05:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-60SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)8Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8
StarCraft 2
General
August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 1/8
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3596 users

Ladder Failage 2

Blogs > Froadac
Post a Reply
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 01 2011 06:32 GMT
#1
I took a break. I made a plan. I came back. I got stomped.

I had one game where I was up Three BASES, FUCKING OWNED A GUY, but he just builds a 3/3 BC fleet I can't deal with, while turtling with tanks. And just has no workers so he kills all my vikings and I lose.

And then I lose to a 5 gate robo.... I didn't play that well because I got flustered, but still it's frustrating. I have no idea what the heck I'm doing wrong apart fomr generally failing. I just want confirmation that my general gameplan is reasonable.

here are my builds that I'm doing.


Builds

TvT
Standard 1/1/1 with no addon marines, tanks, and medivac/Viking/banshee/raven depending on situation
Expand upon first push, or upon scouting banshee opening
Follow up with very standard tank-marine-Viking composition
Drop as soon as first two medivacs come out
Tvp
Execute painuser tvp tank marine push. If reflected, take third and proceed with the Rootkitty mech followup. (tank/hellion/Viking) 2 reactor factories, and 3 tech lab. Harass with hellions/dropships.
Add on marauders late game for harass
TvZ
Execute Rootkitty opening. Barracks, Factory, CC. After cc add on tech lab, get 3-4 hellions and blue flame, and add on another two barracks. Begin adding on tanks. Get one reactor, and one tech lab. After money is available add on second reactor on barracks. Push with 3-4 tanks, expand, and add on reactor starport/more barracks/another factory. Make sure to get early ebay around timing of third barracks. Second ebay when taking third. Armory when adding second factory.
(All approximate)

If that's reasonable, I feel like I've hit a wall. Which is stupid, because i'm still really bad so I shouldn't be hitting a wall. Just really really frustrated right now. I haven't been able to win anything for a week

*
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 01 2011 10:15 GMT
#2
Bump.

I'm also in a massive slump lately, hopefully someone can enlighten OP. Since our general strategy closely resembles each other.
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#3
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:24:30
May 01 2011 19:53 GMT
#4
On May 02 2011 03:30 LuckyFool wrote:
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D

Thanks. :D

So frustrating to be ahead like every game and then just lose

Am 3-0 today :D

Am now 4-0.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:24:01
May 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#5
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart.
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 03 2011 09:08 GMT
#6
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart


What does he expect when he kills all your SCV's ? its either your gonna attack, return the favor by killing his SCV's or try to catch up on economy. :/
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
May 03 2011 10:50 GMT
#7
Maybe you should learn more simple builds you yourself fully understand instead of copying other people's stuff. If you understand 100% what you're trying to do it might fit your own playstyle better.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 14h 18m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 793
mouzHeroMarine 202
IndyStarCraft 197
ProTech74
CosmosSc2 69
Ketroc 42
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 38
Dota 2
420jenkins294
NeuroSwarm112
League of Legends
Doublelift3833
Grubby2742
JimRising 158
Counter-Strike
FalleN 2961
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01164
Mew2King186
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu451
Khaldor238
Other Games
gofns13393
fl0m812
Beastyqt689
WinterStarcraft635
Mlord497
uThermal291
ToD289
B2W.Neo250
elazer151
Pyrionflax145
XaKoH 129
ROOTCatZ97
JuggernautJason61
UpATreeSC54
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1060
angryscii14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH242
• musti20045 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 36
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV620
Other Games
• imaqtpie1655
• Shiphtur345
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
14h 18m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
INu's Battles
1d 14h
Percival vs Zoun
Cure vs Rogue
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs NightMare
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.