• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:34
CET 22:34
KST 06:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY Recent recommended BW games Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1519 users

Ladder Failage 2

Blogs > Froadac
Post a Reply
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 01 2011 06:32 GMT
#1
I took a break. I made a plan. I came back. I got stomped.

I had one game where I was up Three BASES, FUCKING OWNED A GUY, but he just builds a 3/3 BC fleet I can't deal with, while turtling with tanks. And just has no workers so he kills all my vikings and I lose.

And then I lose to a 5 gate robo.... I didn't play that well because I got flustered, but still it's frustrating. I have no idea what the heck I'm doing wrong apart fomr generally failing. I just want confirmation that my general gameplan is reasonable.

here are my builds that I'm doing.


Builds

TvT
Standard 1/1/1 with no addon marines, tanks, and medivac/Viking/banshee/raven depending on situation
Expand upon first push, or upon scouting banshee opening
Follow up with very standard tank-marine-Viking composition
Drop as soon as first two medivacs come out
Tvp
Execute painuser tvp tank marine push. If reflected, take third and proceed with the Rootkitty mech followup. (tank/hellion/Viking) 2 reactor factories, and 3 tech lab. Harass with hellions/dropships.
Add on marauders late game for harass
TvZ
Execute Rootkitty opening. Barracks, Factory, CC. After cc add on tech lab, get 3-4 hellions and blue flame, and add on another two barracks. Begin adding on tanks. Get one reactor, and one tech lab. After money is available add on second reactor on barracks. Push with 3-4 tanks, expand, and add on reactor starport/more barracks/another factory. Make sure to get early ebay around timing of third barracks. Second ebay when taking third. Armory when adding second factory.
(All approximate)

If that's reasonable, I feel like I've hit a wall. Which is stupid, because i'm still really bad so I shouldn't be hitting a wall. Just really really frustrated right now. I haven't been able to win anything for a week

*
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 01 2011 10:15 GMT
#2
Bump.

I'm also in a massive slump lately, hopefully someone can enlighten OP. Since our general strategy closely resembles each other.
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#3
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:24:30
May 01 2011 19:53 GMT
#4
On May 02 2011 03:30 LuckyFool wrote:
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D

Thanks. :D

So frustrating to be ahead like every game and then just lose

Am 3-0 today :D

Am now 4-0.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:24:01
May 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#5
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart.
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 03 2011 09:08 GMT
#6
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart


What does he expect when he kills all your SCV's ? its either your gonna attack, return the favor by killing his SCV's or try to catch up on economy. :/
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1689 Posts
May 03 2011 10:50 GMT
#7
Maybe you should learn more simple builds you yourself fully understand instead of copying other people's stuff. If you understand 100% what you're trying to do it might fit your own playstyle better.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
20:00
S22 - Ladder Tour #3
ZZZero.O113
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:30
FSL s10 FINALS! PTB vs POG
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft701
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16493
Mini 793
EffOrt 541
Shuttle 310
Soulkey 122
ZZZero.O 113
firebathero 102
hero 53
IntoTheRainbow 10
NaDa 9
Dota 2
Gorgc8029
Counter-Strike
byalli1522
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox331
AZ_Axe151
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor341
Other Games
summit1g9155
Grubby2472
tarik_tv2233
Beastyqt644
ArmadaUGS408
KnowMe299
mouzStarbuck264
C9.Mang059
ViBE20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1834
BasetradeTV27
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 55
• davetesta24
• Adnapsc2 16
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• Michael_bg 0
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota258
League of Legends
• Scarra712
Other Games
• imaqtpie1205
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
12h 26m
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
14h 26m
BSL
21h 26m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 12h
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 18h
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-27
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.