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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 01 2011 06:32 GMT
#1
I took a break. I made a plan. I came back. I got stomped.

I had one game where I was up Three BASES, FUCKING OWNED A GUY, but he just builds a 3/3 BC fleet I can't deal with, while turtling with tanks. And just has no workers so he kills all my vikings and I lose.

And then I lose to a 5 gate robo.... I didn't play that well because I got flustered, but still it's frustrating. I have no idea what the heck I'm doing wrong apart fomr generally failing. I just want confirmation that my general gameplan is reasonable.

here are my builds that I'm doing.


Builds

TvT
Standard 1/1/1 with no addon marines, tanks, and medivac/Viking/banshee/raven depending on situation
Expand upon first push, or upon scouting banshee opening
Follow up with very standard tank-marine-Viking composition
Drop as soon as first two medivacs come out
Tvp
Execute painuser tvp tank marine push. If reflected, take third and proceed with the Rootkitty mech followup. (tank/hellion/Viking) 2 reactor factories, and 3 tech lab. Harass with hellions/dropships.
Add on marauders late game for harass
TvZ
Execute Rootkitty opening. Barracks, Factory, CC. After cc add on tech lab, get 3-4 hellions and blue flame, and add on another two barracks. Begin adding on tanks. Get one reactor, and one tech lab. After money is available add on second reactor on barracks. Push with 3-4 tanks, expand, and add on reactor starport/more barracks/another factory. Make sure to get early ebay around timing of third barracks. Second ebay when taking third. Armory when adding second factory.
(All approximate)

If that's reasonable, I feel like I've hit a wall. Which is stupid, because i'm still really bad so I shouldn't be hitting a wall. Just really really frustrated right now. I haven't been able to win anything for a week

*
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 01 2011 10:15 GMT
#2
Bump.

I'm also in a massive slump lately, hopefully someone can enlighten OP. Since our general strategy closely resembles each other.
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#3
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:24:30
May 01 2011 19:53 GMT
#4
On May 02 2011 03:30 LuckyFool wrote:
general gameplan seems ok. maybe try mixing up a few different builds/gameplans per matchup. When something stops working so well it's always nice to have another build to fall back to help clear your mind. :D

Thanks. :D

So frustrating to be ahead like every game and then just lose

Am 3-0 today :D

Am now 4-0.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 22:24:01
May 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#5
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart.
NagatoYuki
Profile Joined April 2011
12 Posts
May 03 2011 09:08 GMT
#6
Now am 5-2. Just lost to a kyrix bust, and I let a protoss get a deathball lol.

Now 6-2. Won last game in a stupid way. The other person said I had no honor. I disagree lolol

1) he blue flame drops me
2) I lose all my scvs
3) I drop my entire army behind his bunkers in his base
4) I win
5) He accuses me of all-inning. I agree. He said I have no honor. I say I'm smart


What does he expect when he kills all your SCV's ? its either your gonna attack, return the favor by killing his SCV's or try to catch up on economy. :/
"Wait... If your here? Then who's Guarding the Base?" ITS OK PLANETARY FORTRESS IS HERE!
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
May 03 2011 10:50 GMT
#7
Maybe you should learn more simple builds you yourself fully understand instead of copying other people's stuff. If you understand 100% what you're trying to do it might fit your own playstyle better.
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