• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:49
CEST 23:49
KST 06:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon8[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues23LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 202 SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread The PlayStation 5 General RTS Discussion Thread Iron Harvest: 1920+ Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1268 users

Some Indecisiveness

Blogs > FODDER~
Post a Reply
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 19:02:51
April 16 2011 18:29 GMT
#1
Well I used to play Protoss and it felt like the most natural race for me. But one day it just seemed so stale and boring. It just seemed like all at once, that Terran was the race that was both more free and creative. Even the matchups for Terran seem better and more interesting than the Protoss matchups. The thing is though I havn't even really got Protoss down at a solid level. Would race switching just because a different race looks funner be detrimental? Also people are saying that hotkeys setups should very drastically from Protoss to Terran. So I'm also having a bit of trouble thinking of what my hotkey setup should be if I do end up switching to Terran. Because I do want a hotkey setup that will allow for (what Day9 calls) easy tapping. Cycling through SCV and unit production, and so on. So what would you guys reccomend? Should I stick with Protoss or switch to Terran? Because a lot of people were saying I would have to eventually learn how to play each race anyways, regardless of what I chose. The thing is though I know what Terran can do, but not how to do it (like I kow of things, but not how to execute them crisply). Plus I really don't even know any of the crucial differences between Protoss and Terran in terms of when to get a gas, and when not to, and those crucial things. So I'm really, really skeptical about whether or not I should switch over to Terran.

And on top of that I still am trying to find people to practice with so yeah.
Anyways any help would be appreciated guys! Thanks again.

*
I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 18:55:59
April 16 2011 18:38 GMT
#2
Hey look it's Fodder. I tried to practice with you and even invited you to our group so you can watch a 1v1 between me and a friend, but you ended up suddenly leaving my game early game vs. my friend w/o saying anything because 'it was over' when I got queens. I dunno. I mean I tried to hang out and practice with you but you seemed very uninterested and a bit cocky. You even kinda cussed me out because I was 'spamming' APM. What good player doesn't? You then began to give my friend 'pointers' on how to play, that's fine, but your tone was very condescending and a little overly critical. You basically called him a complete nub. He was in silver league and just trying to improve his game, I don't think he deserved for you to leave our game and tell him you left because he basically 'sucks'. If you want to make friends in SC first of all you need to be nicer to people secondly, you need to understand that not everyone who you encounter will be your exact skill level or higher. Additionally, I asked if you would like to play and the answer was 'no'. If anything you should have at least tried to play me because I'm in the same league as you and a random player! Who is a better practice partner than a random player in your league? I could choose whatever race you need to practice against! But no, you simply blew me off LOL. I'm just mentioning this because you are here advertising for a practice partner but you totally blew me off when I wanted to play games with you and when you obsed that game w/ me and my friend. You may want to be more manner if you want to find practice partners. IMO.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
April 16 2011 18:38 GMT
#3
I guess you should play whatever you find more fun as you are likely to play better if you enjoy it ^^. As for learning terran basics perhaps tune into a few terran streams and take notes or download some replay packs and pick a build and learn it, as for hotkeys play a few games vs ai and just find something your comfy with. When i switched races i done the above and now im more comfortable with my new race than i was with terran.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
April 16 2011 18:40 GMT
#4
Judging from your post and your signature it really feels like you need a dose of independence, you need to decide what race you want to play alone, other wise you'll just change based on whose grass is greener any given day. Every race has their ups and downs, you just need to learn to love your race for its flaws and its supremacies. While writing this post you could have played some custom games as both races and got closer to picking, but instead you decided to post asking for guidance. Do some serious thinking about it, and you'll know what to do. Also, funner isn't a word.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
April 16 2011 19:23 GMT
#5

GreatFall:

Hey look it's Fodder. I tried to practice with you and even invited you to our group so you can watch a 1v1 between me and a friend, but you ended up suddenly leaving my game early game vs. my friend w/o saying anything because 'it was over' when I got queens. I dunno. I mean I tried to hang out and practice with you but you seemed very uninterested and a bit cocky. You even kinda cussed me out because I was 'spamming' APM. What good player doesn't? You then began to give my friend 'pointers' on how to play, that's fine, but your tone was very condescending and a little overly critical. You basically called him a complete nub. He was in silver league and just trying to improve his game, I don't think he deserved for you to leave our game and tell him you left because he basically 'sucks'. If you want to make friends in SC first of all you need to be nicer to people secondly, you need to understand that not everyone who you encounter will be your exact skill level or higher. Additionally, I asked if you would like to play and the answer was 'no'. If anything you should have at least tried to play me because I'm in the same league as you and a random player! Who is a better practice partner than a random player in your league? I could choose whatever race you need to practice against! But no, you simply blew me off LOL. I'm just mentioning this because you are here advertising for a practice partner but you totally blew me off when I wanted to play games with you and when you obsed that game w/ me and my friend. You may want to be more manner if you want to find practice partners. IMO.


I'm sorry. I did not mean to offend you or your friend by leaving 'early'. Didn't mean for him to take it personally but I usually stop watching games as soon as they are lost because anything past that point runs the risk of fake-learning occuring as Day9 would put it. Also I highly doubt I blew you off. I don't recall our conversation but if I said no to the offer of playing it was probably because i was in YABOT trying to figure something out at the time of you PM'ing me or busy with a real life constraint.


nekuodah:

I guess you should play whatever you find more fun as you are likely to play better if you enjoy it ^^. As for learning terran basics perhaps tune into a few terran streams and take notes or download some replay packs and pick a build and learn it, as for hotkeys play a few games vs ai and just find something your comfy with. When i switched races i done the above and now im more comfortable with my new race than i was with terran.


Alright man will do. I'll just mess around with my hotkeys then and check out some Terran streams today!


Endymion:

Judging from your post and your signature it really feels like you need a dose of independence, you need to decide what race you want to play alone, other wise you'll just change based on whose grass is greener any given day. Every race has their ups and downs, you just need to learn to love your race for its flaws and its supremacies. While writing this post you could have played some custom games as both races and got closer to picking, but instead you decided to post asking for guidance. Do some serious thinking about it, and you'll know what to do. Also, funner isn't a word.


Well I am the type of person who needs confirmation and certainty with what they practice. If I have reassured that what I am doing is correct then there isn't a hint of a doubt in any part of my play and I play well. If I am told what needs to be done I do it near perfectly. But without a form of guidance things get hazy and strange. Winging things isn't my cup of expertise.

And I have done serious thinking. Terran seems like the more exciting and creative race. And thats kind of what I want in the race I play. But I've already got so set on Protoss I thought the switch would be detrimental (especially considering people say hotkey setups should vary drastically from Protoss to Terran). I mean since the start of the game the hellion has always been my favourite unit even though I had never even really played Terran. Though, I do understand that eventually I'll need to settle on a race and embrace its flaws and weaknesses.


I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#6
Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
FODDER~
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States109 Posts
April 16 2011 19:27 GMT
#7

Vlare:

Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)


Are you saying Terran is overpowered or takes less skill to play effectively?
I am a Diamond league Protoss player in need of any form of help that can be given. If you believe you can help please contact me. I really want to improve more than anything and just need a form of guidance and small push in the truely right direction.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 16 2011 19:39 GMT
#8
On April 17 2011 04:27 FODDER~ wrote:
Show nested quote +

Vlare:

Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)


Are you saying Terran is overpowered or takes less skill to play effectively?


Depends on the matchup. I think overpowered is a bit of an overstatement. But I think Terran is incredibly more forgiving than the other races, and stim is ridiculous. I think tvz is hard to split marines, but other than that. T has a relatively easy time.

I used to play T in beta, and it was easy then, and it's still easy. The hardest thing about T is being able to spend your money because every unit is so cheap and good.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
April 16 2011 20:23 GMT
#9
On April 17 2011 04:39 Vlare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 04:27 FODDER~ wrote:

Vlare:

Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)


Are you saying Terran is overpowered or takes less skill to play effectively?


Depends on the matchup. I think overpowered is a bit of an overstatement. But I think Terran is incredibly more forgiving than the other races, and stim is ridiculous. I think tvz is hard to split marines, but other than that. T has a relatively easy time.

I used to play T in beta, and it was easy then, and it's still easy. The hardest thing about T is being able to spend your money because every unit is so cheap and good.

*blink*, I'll agree that T does have the most diverse set of strats in the current state of the game. But you also have to admit that if you play solid, P is going to reward you the most. It has a small set of strats that if you do well, it's really really hard to stop.
Get paper, fuck bitches, smoke trees, mass thors.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 16 2011 21:23 GMT
#10
On April 17 2011 05:23 kodas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 04:39 Vlare wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:27 FODDER~ wrote:

Vlare:

Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)


Are you saying Terran is overpowered or takes less skill to play effectively?


Depends on the matchup. I think overpowered is a bit of an overstatement. But I think Terran is incredibly more forgiving than the other races, and stim is ridiculous. I think tvz is hard to split marines, but other than that. T has a relatively easy time.

I used to play T in beta, and it was easy then, and it's still easy. The hardest thing about T is being able to spend your money because every unit is so cheap and good.

*blink*, I'll agree that T does have the most diverse set of strats in the current state of the game. But you also have to admit that if you play solid, P is going to reward you the most. It has a small set of strats that if you do well, it's really really hard to stop.


This is both good and bad though. Because P is pidgeon hole'd into a small handful of strats, it gets easy to read them at higher levels. And while the strats/comps may be strong. Once you figure out how to counter each one and can read them, It makes it difficult for P players to try and throw off opponents.

I think this is why T is so strong is because, once that bunker goes down, you have no idea what they are doing. And while you can scout eventually, sometimes it's just too late.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13976 Posts
April 16 2011 22:09 GMT
#11
you should play the race you want to play look at marrow he was playing terran and winning ternoments and then just decided to switch to zerg at that height.

I find protoss to be a lot more ability and trait drivin race while T I think is has a lot better stat's on their units.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
April 16 2011 22:12 GMT
#12
On April 17 2011 06:23 Vlare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 05:23 kodas wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:39 Vlare wrote:
On April 17 2011 04:27 FODDER~ wrote:

Vlare:

Race switching to terran will give you many wins in the future =)

There's no harm in race switching, as long as you dont mind losing a bit while you learn.

T is the most "creative" and "fun" race because you can do whatever the fuck you want and still win due to every unit being amazing.

gl hf =)


Are you saying Terran is overpowered or takes less skill to play effectively?


Depends on the matchup. I think overpowered is a bit of an overstatement. But I think Terran is incredibly more forgiving than the other races, and stim is ridiculous. I think tvz is hard to split marines, but other than that. T has a relatively easy time.

I used to play T in beta, and it was easy then, and it's still easy. The hardest thing about T is being able to spend your money because every unit is so cheap and good.

*blink*, I'll agree that T does have the most diverse set of strats in the current state of the game. But you also have to admit that if you play solid, P is going to reward you the most. It has a small set of strats that if you do well, it's really really hard to stop.


This is both good and bad though. Because P is pidgeon hole'd into a small handful of strats, it gets easy to read them at higher levels. And while the strats/comps may be strong. Once you figure out how to counter each one and can read them, It makes it difficult for P players to try and throw off opponents.

I think this is why T is so strong is because, once that bunker goes down, you have no idea what they are doing. And while you can scout eventually, sometimes it's just too late.

The problem comes when there is no hard counter for what Toss is doing. and there is a blind spot for a bit when that bunker goes down. Then you get the obs in and see everything, unless T invested into 4-5 turrets to cover every inch, and on the other hand it's not really that hard for Protoss to hide tech buildings all over. 90% of the time when you scan, you see gateways.
Get paper, fuck bitches, smoke trees, mass thors.
Vlare
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
748 Posts
April 16 2011 22:13 GMT
#13
On April 17 2011 07:09 sermokala wrote:
you should play the race you want to play look at marrow he was playing terran and winning ternoments and then just decided to switch to zerg at that height.

I find protoss to be a lot more ability and trait drivin race while T I think is has a lot better stat's on their units.


Unless I'm mistaken, morrow switched when IdrA told him Terran is op/faceroll.
Mass zerglings doesnt fail
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 152
JuggernautJason94
ProTech71
StarCraft: Brood War
LaStScan 105
Dewaltoss 87
sSak 45
ZZZero.O 33
NaDa 15
Dota 2
The International113920
Gorgc10985
PGG 33
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K509
flusha195
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken4
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu500
Other Games
summit1g4359
Grubby3288
fl0m632
shahzam174
C9.Mang0173
SortOf136
PPMD46
XaKoH 35
ViBE28
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1719
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta20
• sitaska18
• Reevou 7
• RyuSc2 4
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki13
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1360
• Ler71
League of Legends
• Doublelift3220
Other Games
• Scarra1483
• imaqtpie1062
• Shiphtur187
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
12h 11m
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
14h 11m
Kung Fu Cup
14h 11m
BSL Team Wars
21h 11m
RSL Revival
1d 12h
Maestros of the Game
1d 16h
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
1d 18h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 20h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.