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Ledcaveman
Profile Joined March 2011
100 Posts
April 14 2011 01:22 GMT
#41
On April 14 2011 10:12 IamBach wrote:
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On April 14 2011 10:08 TrainSamurai wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:06 Ledcaveman wrote:
i dont understand your need to bitch about a game which isnt even fully released & balanced. at least wait for the first expansion before getting your knickers in a twist over how a vanilla rts game is supposedly stale in comparison to another which has had an expansion or just kill yourself.


Don't forget what sc2 is doing for esports either.

Nothing good IMO. Blizzard is suing the best BW/esport providers because of it.


how do you know they're suing BECAUSE of sc2? who's to say they wouldn't have sued regardless od sc2
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:25:17
April 14 2011 01:23 GMT
#42
On April 14 2011 10:12 IamBach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 10:08 TrainSamurai wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:06 Ledcaveman wrote:
i dont understand your need to bitch about a game which isnt even fully released & balanced. at least wait for the first expansion before getting your knickers in a twist over how a vanilla rts game is supposedly stale in comparison to another which has had an expansion or just kill yourself.


Don't forget what sc2 is doing for esports either.

Nothing good IMO. Blizzard is suing the best BW/esport providers because of it.


Agreed. Until i see Sc2 drawing live crowds like OSL/MSL/PL finals can, I'll remain unconvinced it's doing anything good for esports.

On April 14 2011 10:22 Ledcaveman wrote:
how do you know they're suing BECAUSE of sc2? who's to say they wouldn't have sued regardless od sc2


Well, MAYBE the fact that they waited till around when Sc2 came up to really start pushing this lawsuit through.

Also, good lord dude, learn to capitalize.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Ledcaveman
Profile Joined March 2011
100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:45:02
April 14 2011 01:40 GMT
#43
im typing on my phone in bed >implying im going to capitalise. that capitalisation was for emphasis, because typed conversational text seems so dull.

the guy on previous page with the post scripts, you're missing the point. what im saying is foresight and hindsight based comparisons are still bad.

p.s. i wasnt serious about the " kill yourself part," if you hadnt noticed or have and just wanted to get in your ivory tower
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 01:46:59
April 14 2011 01:46 GMT
#44
On April 14 2011 09:47 IamBach wrote:
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On April 14 2011 09:45 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:49 IamBach wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:45 Turgid wrote:
Actually if you watch closely even high level Korean progamers in SC2 absolutely do not have perfect macro by any means. People get supply blocked and queue units all the time. There is a LOT of room for improvement on that front. Some are better than others, of course.

But right now in Brood War the strategies are "standardized" and the metagame STILL changes. I guess I'm just skeptical that either game will ever be totally figured out, because I've read TL posts literally from 2005(don't criticize what i do in my spare time) claiming that it was unlikely the game would get much more figured out than it already had been. Think about that.


I think you are underestimating the macro abilities of top SC2 players. I was watching a SC2 game between grubby and moon and literally the moment moon would lose a unit, his supply would go right back up to 200/200. Even Jaedong you see occisional delay in macro and when you watch stork, frequently during micro intensive moments his money goes up to like 1000.


Wait are you seriously comparing sc2 pros to BW pros?
Even average players like Lomo would smash most sc2 pros. I mean seriously, the best sc2 players are.. Iron (MC), Clare (Foxer), MVP, non-koreans, etc.

Just look at that lineup.. I would bet considerable amounts of money that even Airforce Ace would roll over them...

At BW no duh but at SC2 I doubt even Jaedong after playing SC2 for 5 months could beat Nestea 100 times out of 100 which is what he could do in BW. Theres just not that many ways you can be better than other players.


Yea fair point. I guess that's my beef with sc2, the fact that no matter how much JD practiced, he wouldn't be able to beat ZergBong 100 times out of a 100.

btw, I just realized I played a game on iccup with you once, assuming your name on iccup was iambach too. I love Bach!

EDIT: ahh 1k posts! LURKER!
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IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
April 14 2011 01:52 GMT
#45
On April 14 2011 10:46 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:47 IamBach wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:45 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:49 IamBach wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:45 Turgid wrote:
Actually if you watch closely even high level Korean progamers in SC2 absolutely do not have perfect macro by any means. People get supply blocked and queue units all the time. There is a LOT of room for improvement on that front. Some are better than others, of course.

But right now in Brood War the strategies are "standardized" and the metagame STILL changes. I guess I'm just skeptical that either game will ever be totally figured out, because I've read TL posts literally from 2005(don't criticize what i do in my spare time) claiming that it was unlikely the game would get much more figured out than it already had been. Think about that.


I think you are underestimating the macro abilities of top SC2 players. I was watching a SC2 game between grubby and moon and literally the moment moon would lose a unit, his supply would go right back up to 200/200. Even Jaedong you see occisional delay in macro and when you watch stork, frequently during micro intensive moments his money goes up to like 1000.


Wait are you seriously comparing sc2 pros to BW pros?
Even average players like Lomo would smash most sc2 pros. I mean seriously, the best sc2 players are.. Iron (MC), Clare (Foxer), MVP, non-koreans, etc.

Just look at that lineup.. I would bet considerable amounts of money that even Airforce Ace would roll over them...

At BW no duh but at SC2 I doubt even Jaedong after playing SC2 for 5 months could beat Nestea 100 times out of 100 which is what he could do in BW. Theres just not that many ways you can be better than other players.


Yea fair point. I guess that's my beef with sc2, the fact that no matter how much JD practiced, he wouldn't be able to beat ZergBong 100 times out of a 100.

btw, I just realized I played a game on iccup with you once, assuming your name on iccup was iambach too. I love Bach!

EDIT: ahh 1k posts! LURKER!

Yes I have the same name on ICCUP. Are the one that plays piano? Glad to know that you like Bach also. Go to the link in my quote for pure Bach joy.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
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