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I am no expert in this field. Just a reader that is fascinated by what he's read of it is all.
So I've been reading up in my spare time for a while now on a lot of nuances of quantum physics and theories proposed from it. And it really is rather fascinating. Stephen Hawking discussed parallel universes which I'm sure we are all generally familiar with. Universes similar to this one (at least on the surface) with either slight or major surface changes. Such as a different president, 2012 being true and us all dyeing a miserably painful cataclysm, and so on. However I've also been reading on that that things such as the Many World's theory don't just end at the parallel universes. In fact, parallel universes aren't even the half of it. From what I've read and (believe) I've understood so far is this:
There are 12 dimensions that we currently know of. We can only perceive 4 of them (the 4th being time). The others can not even be conceivably explained other than through mathematics because we lack the senses as a human being to detect them (at least consciously). I was personally surprised as I didn't know there was any more dimensions other than 4. I guess in recent years we've discovered otherwise.
Then there are parallel universes in which we are all familiar with. Universes similar to our own with either slight or major changes. But more or less, at least recognizable alteration of ours.
Then it gets weird. In many theories (for example the Many Worlds theory) the mathematics state that there is an infinite amount of alternate universes. By alternate I do not mean parallel. I mean there are an infinite amount of universes both infinitely similar and infinitely and utterly completely different from this one. In fact an infinite amount of them don't even adopt the same laws of physic as there is apparently infinite variations of the laws of physics that vary from universe to universe. And there is even an ominous in between negative universe between all of existence as well called the xenoverse.
There's an organized way to look at this from smallest to largest:
• Dimensions (divisions of space within a universe)
• Our universe (simple enough)
• Multiverse (a collection of extremely similar universes, i.e. parallel universes)
• Xenoverse (a negative universe that is 'in between' every other universe out of the infinite amount of them that is impossible to describe through anything other than mathematics, little is known about it)
• Omniverse (all of existence, all of it, anything you can think of, it is real, yes really)
From what I've been reading most evidence does not support the idea that universes hold the same laws of physics from universe to universe (although they could as there is an infinite amount of them where they do). Some universes may even lack as many dimensions as this one or have even more. As ridiculous as it may sound there may even be 2 dimensional universes where your favourite cartoon is real. "Anything and everything exists in an infinite amount of alternate universes with their own respective," was a quote an interview that I believe was with Stephen Hawking or someone at CERN. Funny enough, Stephen Hawking recently discovered that all around us that we are made up of more wormholes than we are atoms. Inbetween every vector of space in this universe (and presumeably others) a wormhole (presumably to a different universe) exists. I find it very odd that we are walking piles of micro-micro-microscopic swiss cheese and we don't even feel it. But then again these wormholes are smaller than a trillionth or so the size of an atom so I guess it isn't too suprising. But apparently Stephen Hawking is working on an idea to try and expand one of the (not even a number for it that I know of) wormholes that are all around us, inflate it with energy and send test probes through it to see where it ends up (if not completely crushed by any uunforeseenravitional field or disentigrated.
So huh... lotta' crazy stuff going on right now. Just felt I'd share what I've been reading as of late out of boredom. Some pretty interesting stuff.
 
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I don't like when physics becomes unintuitive like this. I can wrap my head around the big bang and all that, but parallel universes and the crazy things that happen at quantum levels are a bit frustrating.
ie. theres particles that you need to spin 720 degrees for them to face back their original direction, called "spin half". wtf?
theres particles "quantum entangled" that will vibrate in perfect unison even if you separate them across the universe. what happened to einstein's "you cant communicate faster than the speed of light"
anyway, parallel universes make no more sense to me.
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Yeah physics is absolutely fascinating, even though I only have a narrow, qualitative laymen understanding of it all. I've never heard of the wormhole theory before though, and find it rather curious, but also somewhat odd. I guess what is meant by 'wormholes' in this context is the notion that there are additional curled spatial dimensions permeating space as we know that we may or may not be able to access.
Also, in what book did you read about the 12 dimensions? From my rather limited understanding, all variations of string theory pose only 10 dimensions with M-Theory posing 11 dimensions (because of 11-dimensional supergravity), so maybe I'm out of whack or out of date.
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What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman?
Somehow everything existing in other weird universes feels really strange. Would everything be possible in these universes? If so, couldn't there be a device in one of these universes that destroys all other universes? I guess you would also have a device in some other universe that stops it. Kinda like matter and anti-matter, if that is a fitting analogy. If everything and anything existed, wouldn't that mean that for everything that exists there would be something that negates its existence?
Maybe this is all retarded, but my brain is full of fuck at the moment.
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Sauwelios:
Yeah physics is absolutely fascinating, even though I only have a narrow, qualitative laymen understanding of it all. I've never heard of the wormhole theory before though, and find it rather curious, but also somewhat odd. I guess what is meant by 'wormholes' in this context is the notion that there are additional curled spatial dimensions permeating space as we know that we may or may not be able to access.
Also, in what book did you read about the 12 dimensions? From my rather limited understanding, all variations of string theory pose only 10 dimensions with M-Theory posing 11 dimensions (because of 11-dimensional supergravity), so maybe I'm out of whack or out of date.
M-thoery has been revised into supporting 12 dimensions, not just 11 anymore from what I've been reading and seeing.
What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman?
Somehow everything existing in other weird universes feels really strange. Would everything be possible in these universes? If so, couldn't there be a device in one of these universes that destroys all other universes? I guess you would also have a device in some other universe that stops it. Kinda like matter and anti-matter, if that is a fitting analogy. If everything and anything existed, wouldn't that mean that for everything that exists there would be something that negates its existence?
Maybe this is all retarded, but my brain is full of fuck at the moment.
Your situation about one of the universes somewhere having a civilizaiton capable of destroying all of reality is indeed true (and one stopping it). However since we can at least assume that reality does not become canceled out by an infinite amount of alternate universes there appears to be something preventing that from happening. Plus we still do not fully understand how the xenoverse comes into effect. Perhaps that has something to do with it (since its basically the layer of the omniverse that holds all of reality together).
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On April 13 2011 16:40 Sotamursu wrote:
What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansatz
An Ansatz is "an educated guess that is verified later by its results."
Theoretical physicists start with a bunch of nearly unsolvable crackpot theories. Then they apply ansatz after ansatz until they have some dubious mathematical results that could possibly imply something crazy about the universe. Then they smoke the strongest shit they can find until they come up with some highly fictional-sounding answer that might sort of piece together the weird results they've found. Note that the Ansatz requires verification after it has been used and many of the Ansatz being used to explain the nature of the universe are unverified before scientists unveil their goofy theories. Maybe some of this crap is right but I'm skeptical right now.
Somehow everything existing in other weird universes feels really strange. Would everything be possible in these universes? If so, couldn't there be a device in one of these universes that destroys all other universes? I guess you would also have a device in some other universe that stops it. Kinda like matter and anti-matter, if that is a fitting analogy. If everything and anything existed, wouldn't that mean that for everything that exists there would be something that negates its existence?
Maybe this is all retarded, but my brain is full of fuck at the moment.
You should watch the season 4 finale of the 2004 series of Doctor Who (would kinda suck if you hadn't seen the rest of the series though...)
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On April 13 2011 16:56 micronesia wrote:
Theoretical physicists start with a bunch of nearly unsolvable crackpot theories. Then they apply ansatz after ansatz until they have some dubious mathematical results that could possibly imply something crazy about the universe. Then they smoke the strongest shit they can find until they come up with some highly fictional-sounding answer that might sort of piece together the weird results they've found. Note that the Ansatz requires verification after it has been used and many of the Ansatz being used to explain the nature of the universe are unverified before scientists unveil their goofy theories. Maybe some of this crap is right but I'm skeptical right now.
![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/string_theory.png)
I couldn't resist. 
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On April 13 2011 16:56 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:40 Sotamursu wrote:
What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnsatzAn Ansatz is "an educated guess that is verified later by its results." Theoretical physicists start with a bunch of nearly unsolvable crackpot theories. Then they apply ansatz after ansatz until they have some dubious mathematical results that could possibly imply something crazy about the universe. Then they smoke the strongest shit they can find until they come up with some highly fictional-sounding answer that might sort of piece together the weird results they've found. Note that the Ansatz requires verification after it has been used and many of the Ansatz being used to explain the nature of the universe are unverified before scientists unveil their goofy theories. Maybe some of this crap is right but I'm skeptical right now.
Very fucking true. Physics is the science of fudge factors.
Biologists think they are chemists. Chemists think they are physicists. Physicists think they are god. And god is a mathematician.
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On April 13 2011 16:56 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:40 Sotamursu wrote:
What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnsatzAn Ansatz is "an educated guess that is verified later by its results." Theoretical physicists start with a bunch of nearly unsolvable crackpot theories. Then they apply ansatz after ansatz until they have some dubious mathematical results that could possibly imply something crazy about the universe. Then they smoke the strongest shit they can find until they come up with some highly fictional-sounding answer that might sort of piece together the weird results they've found.
Wow, this is so awesome. I knew it worked this way. xD
Still, honestly, I think its getting a bit ridiculous. Some of the shit they come up with is just... retarded. I mean, at this point, the Bible seems to make more sense. =P
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On April 13 2011 17:54 Crazyeyes wrote:
Still, honestly, I think its getting a bit ridiculous. Some of the shit they come up with is just... retarded. I mean, at this point, the Bible seems to make more sense. =P
nah were still a long ways from that
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On April 13 2011 16:56 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:40 Sotamursu wrote:
What kind of evidence is there to support the existence of 12 dimensions? Is there a way to explain it to a layman? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnsatzAn Ansatz is "an educated guess that is verified later by its results." Theoretical physicists start with a bunch of nearly unsolvable crackpot theories. Then they apply ansatz after ansatz until they have some dubious mathematical results that could possibly imply something crazy about the universe. Then they smoke the strongest shit they can find until they come up with some highly fictional-sounding answer that might sort of piece together the weird results they've found. Note that the Ansatz requires verification after it has been used and many of the Ansatz being used to explain the nature of the universe are unverified before scientists unveil their goofy theories. Maybe some of this crap is right but I'm skeptical right now. Show nested quote +Somehow everything existing in other weird universes feels really strange. Would everything be possible in these universes? If so, couldn't there be a device in one of these universes that destroys all other universes? I guess you would also have a device in some other universe that stops it. Kinda like matter and anti-matter, if that is a fitting analogy. If everything and anything existed, wouldn't that mean that for everything that exists there would be something that negates its existence?
Maybe this is all retarded, but my brain is full of fuck at the moment. You should watch the season 4 finale of the 2004 series of Doctor Who (would kinda suck if you hadn't seen the rest of the series though...)
I just started watching Doctor Who 2005, but maybe I'll check it out.
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M-thoery has been revised into supporting 12 dimensions, not just 11 anymore from what I've been reading and seeing.
Awesome! Can you give me a source or name the book that you read that in? I'd appreciate that.
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http://journalofcosmology.com/Cosmology4.html
I could not stop reading that article. I feel through 30x salvia I experienced something utterly non-human and it felt like other dimensions (and the lack of a body). When I read that article I kept getting twitchy flashbacks to my experience (which was like 3 years ago now) and felt like I was learning this knowledge a second time.
Infinite universe
Edit: I once thought right after being very high on not weed that parallel dimensions truly did exist and what we are, as an individual, is an incredibly massive being making the "self" and "human" we know ourselves to be is merely our 3rd dimensional form.
Imagine we're all giant gods so we cut and divide ourselves up into miniature versions of Godly selves (think Cell Jr's but on a dimensional scale) to gather data I assume on. We only use 10% of our brain?
What is grey-matter? What if it's mastery unlocks things that are simply beyond our comprehension (as it's locked and we don't have a GUI like in a videogame that shows what comes next). I often wonder what this life is for. I determined a long time ago it's not make money and have kids. Nothing wrong with people that want those things but I knew it wasn't for me.
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