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Graduated to Plat, And the losses pile up

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phone33
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
7 Posts
April 13 2011 03:56 GMT
#1
Hail and well met fellow BroTie!

I have made the great leap to the world of Gosus and 1331 haxor pros! What, The name of this place of milk and honey? It is none other than the world of platinum devisions! It's funny to think that back in the beta this would have been the highest I of Ladder honors, but now newbys such as myself run all around it. I guess lowly WoWers can deal with an increasing level cap then I, the Superior SC2 nerd, can deal with increasing devisions of eliteness. Seriously tho who wants to bet in the next patch blizzard will release the Uber Grand Master of Unobtainium Devision?

Enough Ranting how about some actual examples of super newb time SC2 fails!

I have noticed my timings are starting to smooth out> Now they are about as smooth as sandpaper but considering they used to be as smooth as a cacti covered in razorblades I'm happy!

Decentish Timing but hard core out microed. Hey Day[9] "dont worry about micro it does not matter" what about this one!?
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202980

Here I lose to a proxy gate+forge that I totally see in time to counter...... my crisis management is about as solid as Gadaffi's
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202981

Here I lose to a Zerg that FE but manages to spine his base and still get lings in my mineral line.
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202982
AND
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202983

Finally here is me getting rocked by a 5RR
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=202984

Seriously, I need help 4 gating Zerg, they either rush me and I crumble or I get there and they have spines and or units to crush me. Ill try to find a practice partner for this weekend but any advice on my 4GVZ let me know, same goes for any other advice/flames! Thanks again to every one that has read/watched/commented!

ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 13 2011 04:07 GMT
#2
1) Being promoted doesn't make you play harder people and whatnot, promotion doesn't affect anything. Only MMR counts.

2) You aren't supposed to know about your losses, you aren't in masters league yet.

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i liked your smoothness analogy Good luck in the future! Glad you know you just need to work on mechanics
Jaedong :3
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
April 13 2011 04:25 GMT
#3
Darn, you make me feel like a wow scrub. On your post... 4 gate vs. Zerg is relatively unreliable at even this level, and you would do better to learn different styles and expansion focused builds, namely 3 gate sentry expand... only high plat though, so take this with a grain of salt. Good luck on your journey!
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
April 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#4
good luck chap

may the power of the warp gate serve you well in your quest for ultimate ladder domination. although there may be a few better builds for you to try...

have you ever done a blink stalker rush build against zerg? i guarentee no zerg less than mid masters could hold it off! search liquipedia, and your answers to further promotion may be solved...
JackhammerIV
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom221 Posts
April 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#5
Choosing 4-gate as the one build you practice is not that good an idea. The reason why most people advise you to do a different build is that 4-gating doesn't prepare you for a longer game. You don't train for expansion timings, scouting, constant probe making, teching, upgrading, defending and attacking in large army numbers, forcefielding with lots of sentries, multiple hotkeys, multiple armies, harass with small armies, defending from multi pronged attacks. That's probably most of the things you're not training and practicing by choosing to 4-gate every game.

With a really strong solid 4-gate you could get all the way up to Diamond/Masters. But you'll only know what to do in a SC2 match for like the first 7mins. Then you'll find a problem when you try not to 4-gate. You'll find yourself getting crushed because you're completely not used to playing a different build. Then when you ask for help people would rightly say "make more probes and macro" because your 4-gate which you've perfected would need probe cutting so you're already in the habit of not making probes after a certain point.

If you are looking to improve in SC2 consider changing to a more solid build that has a game plan from early to late game. Personally I got from gold to diamond with long-term focused builds. Built a reasonably good foundation of macro skills. And only now am I really going back and trying to perfect and refine my 4-gate. It's your decision really. No one can tell you how to play. This is just about your choice of build in general.
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