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Which one is the better starter?
This question has been asked several times ever since Pokémon came into the market. And why wouldn't it, when it's the biggest decision you have to make before embarking into the Pokémon world.
Most people will advise you to pick Bulbasaur due to its quick growing potential; it has a type advantage over the first two gyms and resists the next two well. However, the grass type is one of the weakest types there are and has almost no high-power moves besides Solar Beam, which isn't very useful either due to it having to take up to two turns to use (we're talking gen. 1 here). This boils the type down to one whose use would only make sense for annoyance purposes (Leech Seed, Sleep Powder, etc.). This coupled with Bulbasaur's secondary Poison type, allows it to learn Poison Powder and Sludge, further enhancing its pool of annoyance potential.
Nonetheless, the vast majority of people will choose Squirtle simply because it seems as though the water type is the most overrated in the game. It is also one of the most common, thus tending to get boring as hell and rather fast. But perhaps the biggest reason why people love Squirtle so much is because it can evolve into the badass-looking Blastoise as well as learn both Ice Beam and Hydro Pump; this allows it to fuck both Venusaur and Charizard like it's on a Disneyland excursion, rendering it the best starter out of the three (in terms of the two aforementioned Pokémon only).
Contrasted with the previous two, Charmander is the most hated Pokémon. This may be due to the fact that it sucks very hard against the first two gyms; you literally have to catch and train something else, like a Butterfree, simply because normal/fire attacks won’t do jack nut against Brock’s Golem army. Similarly, it is practically mandatory for you to catch and train a Gloom just to have a breath of hope when going up against Misty’s imbalanced Starmie. It is also very funny how you can literally skip on training for the third gym since you can go into Diglett’s Cave and find yet another imbalanced Pokémon: a level 30 Dugtrio which can dig the crap out of Lt. Surge. In the end, you’re left with three fairly high-leveled Pokémon and a crappy, level 8 or so Charmander which quickly ends up getting thrown into forgotten Box 7 or something. I also believe that another thing that adds up to this hate is the behavior of Ash’s Charizard in the anime; a complete dick.
I personally love Charmander myself. This is mostly because I have a lizard bias (I should post pictures of my lizards) and I’m a pyromaniac. But above all, I still believe that the best-looking starter second evolution is by far Charizard; it’s a fucking dragon!
I would like to know which of the three starters Teamliquid thinks is the best!
Poll: Which is the Better Starter?Charmander (351) 41% Squirtle (306) 36% Bulbasaur (198) 23% 855 total votes Your vote: Which is the Better Starter? (Vote): Bulbasaur
(Vote): Squirtle
(Vote): Charmander
Vote away!
 
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I voted squirtle T___T
These starters are all badass unlike some of the new ones T___T Ash's char was such a dick though, whereas his squirtle and bulbasaur were total ballerz
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i have it on very good authority *cough* artosis *cough* that squirtle is the best pokemon, why would I ever believe differently?
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Always been a big fan of charmander. I actually played through pokemon blue pretty recently and chose him again. The first couple gyms are pretty hard with him though. :/
This last time I rocked a spearow and harassed the Onix to death with growl or leer or whatever it had. :D
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blastoise was my favorite of all the tier 3 versions so i always went with squirtle!
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From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.
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charmander was the bees knees at the end though. I remember my brother raping me with his charizard over and over.
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On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.
From a competitive standpoint they all suck so whatever, not the point.
I always picked Charizard because dragons. Actually I've gone with the fire starter every game except Gen V so I guess I'm just partial to them.
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On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.
I thought many liked to use Bellyzards though. That thing is a monster!
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I don't really know which one is the best, I just voted for Charmander because I always picked him. I just liked fire a lot and I never had problems while playing it, ofc I was a kid and I don't even remember how I got the first insignias, but anyways... Charmander love <3
//tx
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Squirtle hands down, charmander if you want a challenge, and bulbasaur if you want ez-street(has +damage to first 2 gym bosses and is half way decent against 3rd)
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Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.
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On April 08 2011 03:39 EsX_Raptor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. I thought many liked to use Bellyzards though. That thing is a monster!
That doesn't mean it's any good. It's extremely gimmicky and most of the time relies on the other guy not knowing how to play.
All of the starters are pretty bad, but I'd still go with Squirtle since its water type is the best of the 3.
I also ditch the starter pretty fast when I play the storyline =P.
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Chose Bulbasaur in my first playthrough, restarted when I noticed that solar beams sucked. Poison, etc... works against human players, but against normal enemies a standard sweep is preferable.
Playing with Squirtle was fun - I was a complete noob, though, so when I went against the Top 4 I had a Blastoise level 72 and nothing else. Restart again.
Charmander. At this point I knew what I was doing. Butterfree dealt with the first gym, Pidgeotto with the second. No problem. Charizard just rocks on later levels, and it looks cool.  I never missed Blastoise, Lapras/Starmie always seemed better to me. And grass types sucked in Gen I lol, never looked back.
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charmander is only getting votes because it's the "underdog", just like flash to jaedong.
(ps jaedong wins)
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Always preferred Charmander ,because, as you said, he's a fucking dragon. Who cares that when he evolved he became a rebel, Ash is a prick, he had all 3 of them and couldn't even be bothered to evolve them. ;/
Charmander in G1 might be pretty bad initially compared to G3 (for example) it's still Pokemon - spend some time to level up and it will be gross how easy you squash them gyms with normal type attacks. 
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On the original Gen 1 Red/Blue, I chose Squirtle. I hated the fact that you had to get some other pokemon that has no further use to beat first Gym as Charmander.
However, in the Gen 1 remake of Firered/Leafgreen, going Charmander is a viable option, because at lvl 13, you learn Metal Claw. So I went Charmander in the remake.
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i used to choose charmander because charizard was the shit (the card too). my moveset was like ember/firespin/flamethrower/fire blast LOL.
but i learned the path to enlightenment that is squirtle.
i've never chosen the grass starter ever other than in my farming playthroughs to get extra tms
i still use blastoise on my ou teams, rapid spin is too good.
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well, the first boss would be pretty hard with charmander, and misty(2nd boss) would be as well, so i'm going with Bulbasaur as the better of the three just for starting out. after that point you can find enough diversity to counter the types of gyms you'll find later.
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Squirtle was the best, Charmander was my favorite and Bulbasaur just frigging sucked =X
It was all about the first new move they learned, and Leech Seed did NOT make it fun xD
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Charmander is awesome. Fire types are so much harder to find.
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On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business.
Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.
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first time i played i couldnt figure out how to get past the old man so i trained charmander in the grass to the west till he was a charmeleon. i stomped brock and misty without using any other pokemon
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Actually, I don't think of Brock's Gen I pokemon had rock-type moves. Charmander wouldn't do too terribly against them, especially after inflicting Burn which halves Attack. Also, IIRC the reason Charizard got moved to NU was because of that pesky Stealth Rock in Gen IV. Taking 50% damage every time it switched in was NOT good for him =(
Though Grass-types are some of the weakest out there, I've been Bulbasaur fan since forever. Razor Leaf had a pretty good crit chance, and Sleep Powder was one of the best disabling moves there was. I also think the Gen I sprites for the Bulbasaur family looked better than the others overall.
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Probably squirtle as blastoise can serve many purposes imo. Venusaur is meh...kind of a good supporter I guess. I really don't like charizard's typing as it gets owned by stealth rock. So I'd choose squirtle.
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I'm fairly sure Ember can one or two shot Geodude and kill Onix too if you get lucky about it not using Rock moves.
Charmander is clearly the favourite here, everyone loves Charizard. Especially cause of the card game -> has 3x Shining Charizard from Neo Destiny.
Yeah Starmie is imba, but like MMOs just grind levels to victory.
PS: The only thing more dreamy than Milkis discussing BW is when he discusses Pokemon. Clearly an Ace Trainer irl.
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On April 08 2011 03:54 d3_crescentia wrote:
Actually, I don't think of Brock's Gen I pokemon had rock-type moves.
The problem is that Charmander can't damage them effectively. Most Pokemon can't at that stage. Butterfree to the rescue. ^^
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On April 08 2011 03:54 d3_crescentia wrote:
Actually, I don't think of Brock's Gen I pokemon had rock-type moves. Charmander wouldn't do too terribly against them, especially after inflicting Burn which halves Attack. Also, IIRC the reason Charizard got moved to NU was because of that pesky Stealth Rock in Gen IV. Taking 50% damage every time it switched in was NOT good for him =(
Though Grass-types are some of the weakest out there, I've been Bulbasaur fan since forever. Razor Leaf had a pretty good crit chance, and Sleep Powder was one of the best disabling moves there was. I also think the Gen I sprites for the Bulbasaur family looked better than the others overall.
Stealth rock was imba lol T___T
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Can someone explain to me about the seemingly popular Butterfree to help charmander with the first guy? I actually remember using butterfree as well but I cant think of what he did. I can only remember it having tackle, assuming you trained from a caterpie. I'm thinking it had some sort of status powder thing but that still wouldnt help kill shit.
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Zapdos is best no question
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On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters.
I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares.
And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool
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On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.
Can you please explain to me what exactly competitive pokemon is? I was under the impression that because Pokemon is a turn based game with only one right way to play (use the strongest move and make sure you pokemon is the right element), actual gameplay input is extremely limited. I mean what can you do that someone who's read a comprehensive guide to competitive pokemon in 10 minutes can't do in a pokemon battle?
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Go Bulbasaur. He is the least voted for, so it allows you to be more underground. And he is the most useful one from competitive standpoint in generation 1. He is also in my opinion more cute than Squirtle.
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I used to be a charmander fanboy, and then i discovered sleep powder and i have to say that bulbasaur is the best of the three.
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On April 08 2011 04:06 Bibbit wrote:
Can someone explain to me about the seemingly popular Butterfree to help charmander with the first guy? I actually remember using butterfree as well but I cant think of what he did. I can only remember it having tackle, assuming you trained from a caterpie. I'm thinking it had some sort of status powder thing but that still wouldnt help kill shit.
Confusion, learnt at level 12. But Butterfree was only really necessary in Yellow where you only had Pikachu (alternatively, Nidoran works too). When I first played Yellow I beat Brock by using Sand Attack lots and Leer into mass Tackling lol...
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On April 08 2011 04:06 Bibbit wrote:
Can someone explain to me about the seemingly popular Butterfree to help charmander with the first guy? I actually remember using butterfree as well but I cant think of what he did. I can only remember it having tackle, assuming you trained from a caterpie. I'm thinking it had some sort of status powder thing but that still wouldnt help kill shit.
Confusion. The basic psychic-attack and Butterfree learns it at level 10/12. Neither rock nor ground have any resistance and psychic-types were imba in general in Gen I so it was the obvious choice.
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oh my god this is one of the hardest questions you can get, love them all :D but probably bulbasaur
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On April 08 2011 04:12 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. Can you please explain to me what exactly competitive pokemon is? I was under the impression that because Pokemon is a turn based game with only one right way to play (use the strongest move and make sure you pokemon is the right element), actual gameplay input is extremely limited. I mean what can you do that someone who's read a comprehensive guide to competitive pokemon in 10 minutes can't do in a pokemon battle?
It plays out somewhat like poker. Go check out smogon.
EDIT: blastoise is the most badass pokemon and ice beam is the most badass attack. Easy choice imo.
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Bulbasaur fuckers. Dragons are boring and Blastoise is cool but not as cool as the lumbering behemoth of plantlife that is Venusaur.
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On April 08 2011 03:38 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. From a competitive standpoint they all suck so whatever, not the point. I always picked Charizard because dragons. Actually I've gone with the fire starter every game except Gen V so I guess I'm just partial to them.
How could you pick the ugly monkey over Pochama?
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geez its been so long since I played the original.. but I think I chose Squirtle.. I remember my friend choosing Charmander, and I didnt like bulbasaur so I musta chose Squirtle lol..
Theres a badass SC2 gamer named Squirtle, enough said.
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Definitely Charmander because it gave you access to fire type moves quicker. Bulbasaur's moveset is easily substituted with bellsprout which can be found very early in the game, and there are tons of alternative water type pokemon to choose from. The only early fire alternative to charmander is vulpix/growlithe and both of those need to stay unevolved until they've learned their movesets.
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Squirtle is the wisest choice. There are arguments for Bulbasaur, but only a masochist would choose Charmander. SQUIRTLE FOR LIFE.
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On April 08 2011 04:12 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. Can you please explain to me what exactly competitive pokemon is? I was under the impression that because Pokemon is a turn based game with only one right way to play (use the strongest move and make sure you pokemon is the right element), actual gameplay input is extremely limited. I mean what can you do that someone who's read a comprehensive guide to competitive pokemon in 10 minutes can't do in a pokemon battle?
In hardcore competitive play, even the same pokemon from 2 different players will have different stats and a different moveset based on what that pokemon's purpose in the lineup is. Even though only about a fifth of all pokemon are viable in competitive play, that still allows for quite a bit of variation.
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You just listed why I love Squirtle, other than the fact that it's a cute turtle~
But perhaps the biggest reason why people love Squirtle so much is because it can evolve into the badass-looking Blastoise as well as learn both Ice Beam and Hydro Pump; this allows it to fuck both Venusaur and Charizard like it's on a Disneyland excursion
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Charmander fuck yeah. No Pokemon looks angrier and more badass than a fully evolved Charizard spewing fire in the old Pokemon games. Squirte is downright useless post-Brock except to ride it around in the water, and Bulbasaur keeps trying to learn a bunch of powders.
The Char family can learn rage, slash, flamethrower, firespin. These were Pokemon evolved to kill. Death by righteous fire.
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the first game is the only one where the water main doesnt get its moves ruined for learning hm's
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Charmander was the way to go but..
I fucking hated it when you ran into Misty lol. Took a couple of tries to kill.
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Charmander.
It has a bumpy ride in the beginning but it becomes absolutely pwnzor in the end. *_*
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Charmander because Charizard looks vaguely like a dragon out of medieval fantasy.
Then Squirtle because he's a pro-gamer and Blastoise looks vaguely like a siege tank.
Was there another?
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only teh nubs got squirtle, the hipsters got bulbasaur and the people who wanted a challenge got charmander. or just the people who wanted to set shit on fire
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Where in the world did OP get idea that Charmander was hated? =/ but then I had Charmander-maniac friend so...
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charmander was the easiest to start with for me lolll
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i loved charmander, so i went with him..so cute! lol
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Always pick fire pokemon and Charmander/Chameleon/Charizard have been my most favorite pokemon since I first got the game! I went through blue by mostly only using Charmander, Misty was a bitch though, but overleveled Charmeleon got the job done.
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I can support both charmander and Squirtle, but i really want to know why people like bulbasaur? I always picked squirtle because i had the blue version so i thought it would make him stronger, or charmander because, well he was a freaking dragon, plus i had his pokemon card so eff ya! but can people who chose bulbasaur explain why they like him, besides having an easy ride for the first 4 gyms?
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How is Charmander winning? Squirtle is the best!
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I've always loved Squirtle because of Blastoise but Charmander/Charizard is the true bad-ass of them all.
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From competitive point of view: They all suck. But I've always had a venusaur in my UU teams.
From fanboy point of view: Fire Starters <33333333 I like them all and I always pick them.
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Venusaur is the only start of the three that has a viable competitive niche, and that's mainly as a Chlorophyll/Growth sweeper under permanent sun.
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On April 08 2011 05:22 Empyrean wrote:
Venusaur is the only start of the three that has a viable competitive niche, and that's mainly as a Chlorophyll/Growth sweeper under permanent sun.
Especially with all this new wonky Dream World business.
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On April 08 2011 05:33 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 05:22 Empyrean wrote:
Venusaur is the only start of the three that has a viable competitive niche, and that's mainly as a Chlorophyll/Growth sweeper under permanent sun. Especially with all this new wonky Dream World business.
Because of Dream World. It's much less effective without its DW ability or Ninetales' DW ability.
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On April 08 2011 04:24 Kamille wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:38 Kyuukyuu wrote:On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. From a competitive standpoint they all suck so whatever, not the point. I always picked Charizard because dragons. Actually I've gone with the fire starter every game except Gen V so I guess I'm just partial to them. How could you pick the ugly monkey over Pochama?
Never played Gen IV. But Piplup is obviously the best there no question.
edit: Venusaur would be meh too if they hadn't changed Growth.
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I chose charmander back in the day BECAUSE HE'S MOTHERFUCKINGFIREEEEE
too bad he was terrible for the first few levels.
When my brother and I shared a red cartridge, he ended up using charmander, and i, fittingly, played blue later when we got a 2nd game, and used squirtle, we later shared all our combined pokemanz tho
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Alright homies check out the gimmickiest thing I ever used competitively. Blastoise, as much as HP as you can get and a lot of special defense. Wait for something to hit you with a thunder attack then mirror coat or whatever the thing that bounces back special attacks is. :D
The thing almost never got one shot and then got a kill.
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I always got the impression that most people thought Bulbasaur was the lamest. In fact, I think Charmander might have been the most popular. The poll clearly reflects this, so I'm wondering if you and your friends were just weird. (jk)
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On April 08 2011 05:34 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 05:33 d3_crescentia wrote:On April 08 2011 05:22 Empyrean wrote:
Venusaur is the only start of the three that has a viable competitive niche, and that's mainly as a Chlorophyll/Growth sweeper under permanent sun. Especially with all this new wonky Dream World business. Because of Dream World. It's much less effective without its DW ability or Ninetales' DW ability.
Misspoke/typed.
Actually, what are your thoughts on Solar Power Charizard?
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Terrible. Bad coverage + weak defenses/speed = not actually doing anything. If you need a special attacker in the sun, just use Volcarona.
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On April 08 2011 04:15 IntoTheEmo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 04:06 Bibbit wrote:
Can someone explain to me about the seemingly popular Butterfree to help charmander with the first guy? I actually remember using butterfree as well but I cant think of what he did. I can only remember it having tackle, assuming you trained from a caterpie. I'm thinking it had some sort of status powder thing but that still wouldnt help kill shit.
Confusion, learnt at level 12. But Butterfree was only really necessary in Yellow where you only had Pikachu (alternatively, Nidoran works too). When I first played Yellow I beat Brock by using Sand Attack lots and Leer into mass Tackling lol...
Haha that's epic.
If you were not so friendly with these two, you could also catch a Mankey (located left from Viridian City) and Low Kick Brock's Pokémon out of existence.
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the choice between charmander/squirtle/bulbasaur is like a choice between cake/pie/herpes
you'd have to be an idiot to choose herpes but the choice between cake and pie is one of personal preference
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i think blastoise is the best when it comes to strength, but bulbasaur is my fav pokemon of all time
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I always choose the water type starters. Squirtle was the shit. None of the other pokemon have anything close to the levels of rad contained within a Squirtle squad. :D
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On April 08 2011 03:31 ReketSomething wrote:
I voted squirtle T___T
These starters are all badass unlike some of the new ones T___T Ash's char was such a dick though, whereas his squirtle and bulbasaur were total ballerz
Ash's char was only a dick after it evolved. It was the sweetest thing when it was still Charmander. Remember the episode when he first met Ash? Waiting for his owner on that rock? So awesome!
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charmander hands down LOL. no questions asked
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Everyone goes with Charmander/Squirtle :V Go with bulbasaur !
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Based on reading the first page, Squirtle supporters like myself are most vocal about their favourite Pokemon. So even though the gray, boring, and quiet majority of Charmander fans out there outnumber us, we win due to dominating the discussion.
Pokemon Blue was the shit, and still is.
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During RBY generation, Bulbasaur was the best choice competitively. Squirtle made for by far the easiest single player game, but in multiplayer, he's the worst of the three.
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Charmander was kinda an illogical choise given the first gyms, but who cared, Fire all the way baby
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Exactly! Fire for the win, forever! Charmander :3
Good to see that TL knows what's up B)
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Charmander. Ballers only. Pewter and Cerulean City got nothing on me- what elemental disadvantage.
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Yet another pokémon thread @ TL which will make me dl & play this game
ONCE AGAIN ~.^
Voted  Charmanderizard of course!
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I would always do charmander and just brute force my way through Brock: save my game right up in his face, reset if my first ember didn't critical hit or burn...lol.
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![[image loading]](http://static.tumblr.com/nfc1yry/2fjktre1g/squirtle.jpg)
I don't see any of your other pokemon being ballers wearing sunglasses.
Yeah. That's what I thought.
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Squirtle for the speed run. It's also a turtle with badass cannons.
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hell yeah Bulbasaur!.
His 3rd form doesn't have the raw power of Charizard or the combination of strength and versatility of Blastoise, but he is far more useful in 1-on-1 fights with pretty much any tough Pokémon, and he's one of the best grass types as far as learnable moves go. Leech seed + toxic combo, little bit of body slam for solid damage and good paralyze chance, and solarbeam for RAPING type advantages made him my go-to unit back in the old days of Red.
On subsequent trips through, I'd pick him and grab a Nido (male) for a strong as hell Nidoking with body slam, thrash, and earthquake, and always buy the Magikarp before Mt. Moon and baby it all the way into the mighty Gyarados before taking on Misty. Pick up drowzee for a solid dream eating Hypno later on, and would usually end up rounding out with Articuno (man I LOVED pre-gold/silver Arti, before they split up the special stat, he ROCKED) and Zapdos to take on the elite four and the rival.
Man, good times.
On April 08 2011 04:12 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest. Can you please explain to me what exactly competitive pokemon is? I was under the impression that because Pokemon is a turn based game with only one right way to play (use the strongest move and make sure you pokemon is the right element), actual gameplay input is extremely limited. I mean what can you do that someone who's read a comprehensive guide to competitive pokemon in 10 minutes can't do in a pokemon battle?
play against a good person or one of the stadium games on the n64 (where they also cheat horribly lol perfect % chance effects EVERY TIME MAN) and they'd teach you there is a lot more to it. Especially the newer the games get, the more new tactics get included because of moves with weird effects. I only played up to gold and silver, and the difference in strategy in one generation leap is HUGE.
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Charmander is objectively the best. Charizard is the most viable of the three final evolutions.
Squirtle makes the game the easiest though, you blaze through the final gyms like nothing. The elite four are incredibly easy as well.
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Like all true hardcore motherfuckers, i picked Charmander.
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I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing.
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On April 08 2011 06:56 Zlasher wrote:
I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing.
charmander had scratch! and there were no fighting moves at that level except mankey's low kick.
the best way to beat brock if choosing charmander was to use pidgey's sand attack until it stops working and then gust/scratch/ember him to death
you could also make a butterfree with confusion (quite tedious)
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On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters. I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares. And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool
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Squirtle, it learns bubble derp derp derp
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In my first playtrough I chose Squirtle(it was on Pokemon Red, what a blasphemy) and I still like him the most. So it came naturally that Bulbasaur was my archenemy. And charmander, yeah, I dont like any fire-type Pokemon that much so yeah, I cant really follow all the charizard hype. It's a dragon, oh...cool...
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On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters. I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares. And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool Infernape wants a word with you
So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.
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Dude, Scratch imba. For reals.
It's too hard to pick a favorite. I can't vote :x
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On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters. I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares. And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool Infernape wants a word with you So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken.
If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no?
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On April 08 2011 08:28 Bibbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters. I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares. And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool Infernape wants a word with you So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken. If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no?
Yeah, swampert was the sole reason things carried HP Grass in ADV, what a beast :3
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I miss my SubPetaya Empoleon T_T
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On April 08 2011 07:07 Gak2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 06:56 Zlasher wrote:
I also remember, the way to beat brock and his rock shit with charmander first is that you pick fighting attacks level Tackle and stuff, beat them with that. Of course I'm speaking really objectively from a R/B standpoint and not all these new pokemons and stuff, I hope that is what we're discussing. charmander had scratch! and there were no fighting moves at that level except mankey's low kick. the best way to beat brock if choosing charmander was to use pidgey's sand attack until it stops working and then gust/scratch/ember him to death you could also make a butterfree with confusion (quite tedious)
Oh...m.eh I don't remember, I never played competitively, I just played with my brother and had a blast going through it as an 8 year old.
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On April 08 2011 08:35 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 08:28 Bibbit wrote:On April 08 2011 08:20 deafhobbit wrote:On April 08 2011 07:12 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 04:10 jlim wrote:On April 08 2011 03:52 Milkis wrote:On April 08 2011 03:43 jlim wrote:
Squirtle is way more cute than the other two. Even his sc2 player reincarnation is cute as hell. Wartortle is super duper cool and Blastoise is pretty badass. And his weakest stat, speed, was the least important one, so he had overall better stats than the other two.
And btw you could easily rape Brock with Charmander using Ember. Maybe a potion was required, but still, easy business. Speed is actually quite important so i don't know what you are talking about lol. It was even more important in RBY cause it affected crit afaik. Competitively Charmander has always been the best out of the RBY starters. I've never played competitive pokémon. As far as I know, if you were to play competitive pokémon you should not be using starters, so who cares. And I didn't know about the crit rate boost lol pretty cool Infernape wants a word with you So does Gen 2 Charizard, late Gen 4 Empoleon, and possibly Gen 5 Blaziken. If I'm not mistaken, Swampert had his time in the spotlight as well, no? Yeah, swampert was the sole reason things carried HP Grass in ADV, what a beast :3
What are you all talking about :O I didn't go further than gold/silver... and those new starters with two types and a handful of fancy skills are pretty hax.
EDIT: btw OP great blog, 5/5, you got all the people involved in something as trivial as pokémon thanks to a great composition
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charmander
no need to read blog
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My fave out of all starters was probably Typhlosion lol :D
I taught it thunderpunch, flamethrower, earthquake, and fire blast, and thought it was the best thing ever!
(Gen II :S)
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Charmander is the stock answer because everyone loves Charizard. However you get the most from Squirtle.
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On April 08 2011 05:09 MaxField wrote:
I can support both charmander and Squirtle, but i really want to know why people like bulbasaur?
... besides having an easy ride for the first 4 gyms? It is the first pokemon that players see, so it might have some charm.
Personally, I think Bulbasaur is the cutest starter pokemon. If only it was more useful at the end ...
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On April 08 2011 03:37 holy_war wrote:
From a competitive standpoint, Charizard is the worst (Never Used) while Venusaur and Blastoise are in (Under Used). Bottom line is that they're all pretty bad but Squirtle is the coolest.
what? Charizard was BL.not UU
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Charmander ftw.
I'd start off by leveling to 16 before facing Brock, to ensure a win.
I'd skip every trainer battle I could so I could then go and get the Magikarp and then do the trainer battles to help boost his xp as fast as possible.
I wouldn't face Misty right away, what I would do is train until my Magikarp evolves before facing my rival in the next city. I would then go catch an abra, and evolve it.
So my lineup for facing Misty was a Charmeleon in the mid to high 20's, a low 20's Gyrados, and a 20-ish Kadabra. I'd grab a Dugtrio in the next city, and then I've got myself a pretty potent lineup until I can start going after the birds, or some other big prize.
It was always a big pain in the ass..... I'm in terrible shape until I get both the abra and the Magikarp to evolve..... But once it started paying off, I was fucking set!
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double post while editing -_-
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I only ever played pokemon yellow (pikachu FTW!!!) but I think I'd go with charmander 1st, then squirtle, and bulbasaur would be my last choice. Mainly because charmander is f'ing cute and he becomes a charizard which is much more awesome than blastoise/venosaur imo.
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Clear vote to Charmander. I started my first PKMN adventure with Squirtle, but had the most fun games with Charmander around. I think it' a badass pokemon!
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