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1.3 - the death of the templar

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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 15:15:32
March 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#1
well, my fellow brotosses, the amulet removal made it through to the live version of sc2, meaning henceforth every one of our games will look exactly the same.

can't say it will affect me so much now, as i have stopped opening with storm and have been favoring safer, more boring colo play. though when i do use templars before (or instead) of colo getting those storms out just helps you BARELY defend on a razer's edge. i think it's absolutely ridiculous trying to use them as the backbone of your army without amulet.

you wait what, 44 game seconds to throw an 80 damage storm that a terran has so literally sit in to be cost effective against anything. the last times i've opened storm i've just gotten kited trying to use it, anyhow. and then they make 6 ghosts and you'll be hard pressed to ever get a storm off worth casting.

the sad thing was this nerfs the only comparable thing toss has to octo drops and baneling drops to put the aoe hurt on a mineral line. i guess it's still there it just takes a warp prism not getting 2-shotted by a viking for 44 seconds to actually happen. i guess there are still dark templars but only koreans find a way to not die while getting those :/

i'm not too butt hurt about the change though. awful na ladder terrans are the squeakiest wheels in the community and if they want to be able to make vikings blindly every game then of course they should be able to. who wants to "pay" 270 minerals for a scout for information a 50/50 tier one unit can find, anyway.

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Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
March 22 2011 15:17 GMT
#2
hahaha

I'd like a cheaper HT then - though i still love the archon, their bonus dmg to biological will come in handy as usual.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#3
As an awful na Terran, I gotta say ht was the least of my problems in TvP.
I'm more concerned about the stim delay for tvz anyway.
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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
March 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#4
Well the ability to warp in and instant storm was pretty op vs T and yes a single storm isnt cost effective but when u blanket storm and then have a main army thats doing damage to half health bio its pretty strong.

Btw, terrans have the squeakiest wheels??! Shit, the swarm needs to step it up guys D:
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:19 GMT
#5
yea i actually like archons a lot before one ghost in on the field since when mm is stutter stepping you can get a decent amount of hits on the medivacs. i guess the nerf to emp will help out with that a tad. prob gonna be doing some more stuff with dt.

i think cause of removal of amulet templar archive should be slightly longer build time but also give access to storm since ht is el oh el bad now ye?
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Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
March 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#6
I think the issue is that protoss doesn't even need HT - it's more of a luxury. HT's are the new SC1 scout.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:21 GMT
#7
On March 23 2011 00:19 SubtleArt wrote:
Well the ability to warp in and instant storm was pretty op vs T and yes a single storm isnt cost effective but when u blanket storm and then have a main army thats doing damage to half health bio its pretty strong.

Btw, terrans have the squeakiest wheels??! Shit, the swarm needs to step it up guys D:


how do you carpet storm? if you have any more than 5 storms available to you any terran that knows how to play is going to have a bunch of ghosts out. i am able to carpet storm in 1 out of every 10 games i use templars simply because the ladder pits me against some jobber who can't control units or respond to any kind of deviation in his opponent.

this is a balance change for bronze league and it is ridiculous
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:22 GMT
#8
On March 23 2011 00:21 Antimage wrote:
I think the issue is that protoss doesn't even need HT - it's more of a luxury. HT's are the new SC1 scout.


yeah i just felt like makin a blog about it since i used to 1gate fe every pvt and get many gateway and fast charge/storm/upgrades.

the old protoss in me is crying but i cut that shit and just make da colossus ^^
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Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
March 22 2011 15:23 GMT
#9
Just when I started to use templars as well....
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
yeah i just started to really use storm drops in the late game quite extensively but i guess now i will do the same with dt drops? i guess i'll have to toy around with it this week
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 15:31:03
March 22 2011 15:30 GMT
#11
why not use HTs like we use them in BW.

make'em,wait'em,use'em and fuse'em.

plus without amulet that 200/200 min/gas investment can go for a faster +2 attack which is really helpful for archons.

I'm no expert im just putting out my thoughts....
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 15:35:17
March 22 2011 15:34 GMT
#12
oh i forgot about this change as well:
PROTOSS
Mothership
Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds. The Vortex animation has been replaced with a swirling troll face.

I guess the toilet was a little imbalanced so I guess I'm fine with this change. I have yet to hear whether or not the units are stunned though since it would be kind of ridiculous if enemy units leaving a vortex could attack while invulnerable


and yeah i'm prob going to use ht as the extreme extreme luxury unit and keep 1 at each expansion or something like in bw
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 22 2011 15:34 GMT
#13
God forbid we can't have Protoss players actually waiting for units. They should be allowed to chronoboost their ht for faster energy regen
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
March 22 2011 15:35 GMT
#14
On March 23 2011 00:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
oh i forgot about this change as well:
PROTOSS
Mothership
Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds. The Vortex animation has been replaced with a swirling troll face.

I guess the toilet was a little imbalanced so I guess I'm fine with this change. I have yet to hear whether or not the units are stunned though since it would be kind of ridiculous if enemy units leaving a vortex could attack while invulnerable


technically it still works,it just doesn't OHKO anything and everything.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:37 GMT
#15
yeah its probably good that you can't 1shot a whole zerg army in 2 seconds haha. i never really used the tactic much but i had lots of fun watching kiwikaki destroy 100food armies instantly :D
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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
March 22 2011 15:43 GMT
#16
On March 23 2011 00:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why not use HTs like we use them in BW.

make'em,wait'em,use'em and fuse'em.

plus without amulet that 200/200 min/gas investment can go for a faster +2 attack which is really helpful for archons.

I'm no expert im just putting out my thoughts....


Problem is that every pro who was asked about KA removal answered that it would be good to make it like it was in BW. On the forums, nearly everyone agreed that this would be the best solution.
I am not sure if Blizzard did not want to listen or if they simply dont know how KA worked in BW...
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 22 2011 15:44 GMT
#17
On March 23 2011 00:43 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 00:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why not use HTs like we use them in BW.

make'em,wait'em,use'em and fuse'em.

plus without amulet that 200/200 min/gas investment can go for a faster +2 attack which is really helpful for archons.

I'm no expert im just putting out my thoughts....


Problem is that every pro who was asked about KA removal answered that it would be good to make it like it was in BW. On the forums, nearly everyone agreed that this would be the best solution.
I am not sure if Blizzard did not want to listen or if they simply dont know how KA worked in BW...


haha could you imagine if dustin browder was just like, wtf what is this bw everyone is talking about
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 22 2011 15:54 GMT
#18
One of the most retarded balance changes thus far, it needed to be modified not removed.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50389 Posts
March 22 2011 16:01 GMT
#19
On March 23 2011 00:44 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 00:43 Sewi wrote:
On March 23 2011 00:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why not use HTs like we use them in BW.

make'em,wait'em,use'em and fuse'em.

plus without amulet that 200/200 min/gas investment can go for a faster +2 attack which is really helpful for archons.

I'm no expert im just putting out my thoughts....


Problem is that every pro who was asked about KA removal answered that it would be good to make it like it was in BW. On the forums, nearly everyone agreed that this would be the best solution.
I am not sure if Blizzard did not want to listen or if they simply dont know how KA worked in BW...


haha could you imagine if dustin browder was just like, wtf what is this bw everyone is talking about


dunno,but I think its probably because it won't be fair to the other caster units like Infestor and Raven...then again it would be unfair to let them have energy upgrades...
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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CryMore
Profile Joined March 2010
United States497 Posts
March 22 2011 18:30 GMT
#20
I started using immortal + templar + stalker against zerg. Oh well...back to colossi I guess...=/
"What wins? 3-base Protoss or 2-base Zerg?" "1-base Terran"
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