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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
March 18 2011 04:08 GMT
#1
I need to let out some steam after my first big laddering session.

Zerg is so freaking hard to play. You have to play absolutely perfectly with no mistakes if a Protoss just 4 gates you. Sure it's possible to defend it but the amount of skill you need to do a 4 gate and to execute it is completely different. Just to test the theory out, I went ahead and played 5 games of 4 gate protoss on ladder. I went 2-3. I'm pretty sure that says something since I absolutely suck at offf-racing and that three of the games I played were against other Protosses.

Terran is a bit more fair since they have to be extra careful of banelings, but they still have stuff like banshees and hellions which can kill you if you make just one mistake. It's kind of ridiculous how much effort you need to put in as Zerg to win.

I'm pretty sure I can defend any of these things 4 times out of 5 but losing 1 time out of 5 against a bronze leaguer who knows how to do a 4 gate would piss me off. I think Blizzard really needs to make some adjustment. How, I don't know but I'm pretty tired of losing against people who use all-in builds.

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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 18 2011 04:22 GMT
#2
sup neo happy bday.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
March 18 2011 04:32 GMT
#3
Yea Zerg is pretty bad right now. I used to not really care a few months ago because almost everyone acknowledged that Z was underpowered adn that TvZ was ridiculously terran favored so it was obviously going to get fixed. Right now just looking at the patch notes and reading an interview or 2 /e it really doesnt look like blizzard has any intention of buffing zerg or even acknowledging theres a problem. HBD btw :D
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
March 18 2011 04:36 GMT
#4
I feel your pain brother, even with the new upcoming patch I don't see it changing much at all, i'm not really satisfied with Zerg's gameplay at all lately, I haven't even been playing SC2, I found myself on BW once again. GL and I hope everything works out for you.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
March 18 2011 04:50 GMT
#5
I'm a terran and I think tvz is in a great state right now. There are games where z looks absolutely overpowered, and games were t looks that way, so I think the better player tends to win.

TvP and ZvP on the other hand... ><

protoss has such strong allins and can't die to early aggression due to FFs and get an unstoppable death ball. Hmmm
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
March 18 2011 04:57 GMT
#6
On March 18 2011 13:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I'm a terran and I think tvz is in a great state right now. There are games where z looks absolutely overpowered, and games were t looks that way, so I think the better player tends to win.

TvP and ZvP on the other hand... ><

protoss has such strong allins and can't die to early aggression due to FFs and get an unstoppable death ball. Hmmm


TvZ early game is pretty stupid, theres so many tech or army rushes and builds terran can do that can outright kill you and a lot of them aren't even allin, but I think any1 who plays zerg has already accepted the inherent reactive nature of zerg. Midgame and onward ZvT feels pretty fine for me and is probably my best matchup. I always lose to some ridiculous 200 / 200 tank thor marine composition in the lategame though but that's probably just me never getting hive tech on time D:
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
TurboDreams
Profile Joined April 2009
United States427 Posts
March 18 2011 04:57 GMT
#7
Haha its karma, remember when you used to cheese all the time in BW? Happy B-Day btw!
Music is the medicine of the mind || Kill a Zergling and a hundred more will take its place.
Brandus
Profile Joined September 2010
148 Posts
March 18 2011 05:38 GMT
#8
zerg feels like a race that was only halfway done before release. imo they need more units and abilities.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 18 2011 06:02 GMT
#9
On March 18 2011 13:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I'm a terran and I think tvz is in a great state right now. There are games where z looks absolutely overpowered, and games were t looks that way, so I think the better player tends to win.

TvP and ZvP on the other hand... ><

protoss has such strong allins and can't die to early aggression due to FFs and get an unstoppable death ball. Hmmm


Yep. Zvt is fine really. All the protoss matchups are a bit stupid atm.
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 06:08:35
March 18 2011 06:07 GMT
#10
*see's terran scv start building a bunker* *Pulls 7 drones* *Kills the scv* *2 marines walk down* *moonwalks over 4 drones* *builds a spine crawler and some lings* *2 scvs start building on the bunker* *sends lings* *Marines massacre* *bunker up*

QQ

its frustrating,

If it was all in i could live with it. but no, fucking mule or cheap marines + bunker refund makes the terran have a 50% chance to win everygame in the earlygame with no losses.

Its retarded.

And yes i know how to defend it, im just not very good at it yet. frustrates the hell out of me.

I love when a toss 4gates me cause he's giving up the game if you know how to defend. but bunkerrush, never does that end the game for terran.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
March 18 2011 06:08 GMT
#11
On March 18 2011 14:38 Brandus wrote:
zerg feels like a race that was only halfway done before release. imo they need more units and abilities.


there are 2 expansions so right now blizzard feels less is more.
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Dismantlethethroat
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
March 18 2011 07:19 GMT
#12
Whoever is QQing about toss needs to l2p. I mean seriously I am Bronze yet I beat gold - diamond protoss players as zerg. Have you tried maybe sending the corruptors first to deal with the colossi, and then the roach hydra?
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
March 18 2011 08:04 GMT
#13
On March 18 2011 16:19 Dismantlethethroat wrote:
Whoever is QQing about toss needs to l2p. I mean seriously I am Bronze yet I beat gold - diamond protoss players as zerg. Have you tried maybe sending the corruptors first to deal with the colossi, and then the roach hydra?

Haha, look at this guy. How cute.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Dismantlethethroat
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 11:55:15
March 18 2011 11:52 GMT
#14
On March 18 2011 17:04 Cedstick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 16:19 Dismantlethethroat wrote:
Whoever is QQing about toss needs to l2p. I mean seriously I am Bronze yet I beat gold - diamond protoss players as zerg. Have you tried maybe sending the corruptors first to deal with the colossi, and then the roach hydra?

Haha, look at this guy. How cute.


Want a 1v1? Olol you're from the US servers forget it.

Oh and just so you know. I am only still in bronze because I have not figured out how to beat various forms of cheese as zerg. Macro is generally up to scratch.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 11:59:22
March 18 2011 11:58 GMT
#15
I beat the very first 4 gate i ever faced as zerg a couple days ago. Scouted the 4 gates, dropped 3 spines, moved my queens up, and made sure I had ling speed. It was ez pz. After all the QQ I hear about 4 gates, I expected to be under a lot of pressure, but it was pretty simple really. I even mis-microed quite a bit, and had a really fail rally point and still pulled it off with ease. And this was as a silver zerg vs a plat toss.
Dismantlethethroat
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
March 18 2011 14:17 GMT
#16
On March 18 2011 20:58 Sm3agol wrote:
I beat the very first 4 gate i ever faced as zerg a couple days ago. Scouted the 4 gates, dropped 3 spines, moved my queens up, and made sure I had ling speed. It was ez pz. After all the QQ I hear about 4 gates, I expected to be under a lot of pressure, but it was pretty simple really. I even mis-microed quite a bit, and had a really fail rally point and still pulled it off with ease. And this was as a silver zerg vs a plat toss.


Dude
To have enough money for a spine crawler it suggests you are not macroing well enough. Did you fast expand?
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-18 14:25:07
March 18 2011 14:23 GMT
#17
On March 18 2011 23:17 Dismantlethethroat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 20:58 Sm3agol wrote:
I beat the very first 4 gate i ever faced as zerg a couple days ago. Scouted the 4 gates, dropped 3 spines, moved my queens up, and made sure I had ling speed. It was ez pz. After all the QQ I hear about 4 gates, I expected to be under a lot of pressure, but it was pretty simple really. I even mis-microed quite a bit, and had a really fail rally point and still pulled it off with ease. And this was as a silver zerg vs a plat toss.


Dude
To have enough money for a spine crawler it suggests you are not macroing well enough. Did you fast expand?


Balance only applies to the highest level of play not to lower leagues man. I don't know if you are the most qualified to be talking about balance and telling others they don't know anything.
Dismantlethethroat
Profile Joined March 2011
114 Posts
March 18 2011 14:33 GMT
#18
On March 18 2011 23:23 Essentia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 23:17 Dismantlethethroat wrote:
On March 18 2011 20:58 Sm3agol wrote:
I beat the very first 4 gate i ever faced as zerg a couple days ago. Scouted the 4 gates, dropped 3 spines, moved my queens up, and made sure I had ling speed. It was ez pz. After all the QQ I hear about 4 gates, I expected to be under a lot of pressure, but it was pretty simple really. I even mis-microed quite a bit, and had a really fail rally point and still pulled it off with ease. And this was as a silver zerg vs a plat toss.


Dude
To have enough money for a spine crawler it suggests you are not macroing well enough. Did you fast expand?


Balance only applies to the highest level of play not to lower leagues man. I don't know if you are the most qualified to be talking about balance and telling others they don't know anything.


What? Who said anything about balance? I said there is nothing wrong with Protoss. Patch 1.3 is a step too far.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 18 2011 14:35 GMT
#19
Happy birthday LuckyFool!
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