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Who is this Avilo? Part 2 [Avilo vs. LiquidTyler]

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schI2ler
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
129 Posts
March 17 2011 12:03 GMT
#1
Introduction
I apologize for this long introduction, but comments forced me to make some points before I continue on my analysis of Avilo.

Manner?
When I started writing about Avilo, I read comments about Avilo, that called him an All-inner, others said he was bad mannered because he flamed his opponents. Other saw his bad manner in the fact that he doesn’t leave a game until it is lost, other people only said that his games are to long.

In my opinion, there is no reason to talk bad about Avilo for his manner; the fact that Avilo does not automatically leave the game only because the opponent crippled him is no bad manner in my eyes.
I read that Avilo was “wasting someone’s time”, I would have to reply: “well it depends on what you want to do, gain a maximum of points on ladder in the shortest time, or get better at starcraft”.
Watching Avilo’s stream, I am often surprised by what games he wins, even if it looked bad at the beginning. Others would have tapped out, but not so Avilo, he organises his defence, turtles up and often wins, because he has been in late games, that others didn’t know existed.

The NASL votes…
I read that Avilo got a lot of votes from Athenewins and that many of his votes are not legit. To be totally honest, I don’t care.

So the real question I think is not “Is Avilo a nice guy?”, or “Where does his votes come from?” but “What is his skill?”

Game 1
Download the replay here.

Facts:
Map name: Xelnaga
CC ready at: 3:14
1. Marine ready at: 3:15
2. Barracks done at: 3:15
2. CC done at 6:14
1. Tank ready at 7:20
Siege mode ready at 08:05
2. CC landed at natural at 8:55


Summary:
This was not Avilo's game.
To make it short, Avilo loses this game and Tyler's victory is well deserved.

What I liked:
I liked Avilo dropping scans to catch observers.

What I didn't like:
It took the 2nd CC 2:30mins. to land at the natural. Avilo was not able to use the advantage of an early CC, because he didn't put use to it, except for scv production.

Avilo had bad map vision in this game, when he lost the Xel-Tower at minute 11, he was blind for the rest of the match.

Avilo misses (probably due to the missing vision) the timing window for his 3rd expansion. This makes him lack in production facilities. After trading armies Avilo has no chance, to reproduce.

Avilo misses his upgrades, and loses in a 0-0 vs. 3-0 battle.



Game 2
Download the replay here.

Facts:
Map name: Lost Temple
1. Racks is ready at 2:40
1. CC is ready at 3:14
1. Factory is done at 4:50
1. Bunker is done at 5:50
2. CC is done at 9:26
2. CC lands at the natural at 10:02
3. Expansion (Gold) at 15:25

Summary:
Tyler puts pressure on Avilo. Tyler uses a lot of upgraded gate units, he is ahead economically and supply wise. Tyler builds temps and storms a huge tank line from Avilo. Avilo drops from ~150 to ~80 food and has to sack his gold expansion. Tyler pushes 2 more times but Avilo is working on his upgrades.
After a big fight at min. 27:00 with 2-3 upgraded units (Avilo) vs. 3-2-3 units (Tyler) Avilo has broken Tyler.
Avilo's blue flames put a lot of pressure on Tyler's hightemplars and Zealots. Avilo destroys expansion nr. 4 and 5 of Tyler.

After 33:38 Tyler got to go.

What I liked:
I liked Avilo planting 3 sensor towers.

I liked the way Avilo uses his blueflames.

Avilo always had 8 scvs with him behind the frontline to repair his mech.

Avilo is patient, he is able to wait for the right timing to attack.

What I didn't like:
Avilo didn't pressure Tyler at all. He was waiting for his 3rd expansion to kick in.

Avilo didn't upgrade the way he could have done. The first big battle was a 0-1 (Avilo) vs. 3-0-3 (Tyler) fight.

Avilo again had problems with his production, after losing the first big battle (upgrades) Avilo had to build 3 factories to be able to produce against 15 (!!) warp gates.

I still think Avilo needs to work on his vision.



Stay tuned for Part 3

schi2ler


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MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
March 17 2011 13:42 GMT
#2
You're wrong about the CC, even the mules from making it an orbital command will pay for itself pretty quickly and you don't lose the investment. Unless you take damage from an early rush it's fine to have gotten the early CC. Since the OC can move, even scv production alone would be a win.
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 17 2011 13:57 GMT
#3
Hi avilo's mother

User was warned for this post
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
March 17 2011 14:14 GMT
#4
Yea he turtles a lot which will let him win some ladder games, but in a tournament people generally will just waste the 40 minutes of their life to abuse the camping.
@ostojiy
te3l
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada126 Posts
March 17 2011 14:25 GMT
#5
On March 17 2011 23:14 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
Yea he turtles a lot which will let him win some ladder games, but in a tournament people generally will just waste the 40 minutes of their life to abuse the camping.


That is not true. When you are in a tournament you will do whatever it takes to win. If you have a chance, why not take it? It is more like I don't want to waste an hour earning 10 points on the ladder because a terran is turtling.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
March 17 2011 14:29 GMT
#6
I just want to know why he is #2 at the NASL vote site.
ggaemo fan
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
March 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#7
No, people will try to win no matter what. If they do not, the deserve the loss. Regardless of ladder or tournament. Winning is the inherent point of the game. Even if you are just trying out new things, you are doing so to win. The only time where this is not the case is if you are deliberately trying to lose.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#8
On March 17 2011 23:29 valaki wrote:
I just want to know why he is #2 at the NASL vote site.


Avilo is only on that list because Athene wanted him to be
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Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
CheeC[h]
Profile Joined August 2009
United States137 Posts
March 17 2011 14:47 GMT
#9
is this the bm avilo from red alert 3?
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
March 17 2011 15:12 GMT
#10
On March 17 2011 23:41 Shana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2011 23:29 valaki wrote:
I just want to know why he is #2 at the NASL vote site.


Avilo is only on that list because Athene wanted him to be
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If this is true, shame on him. Manipulating the poll like this.
ggaemo fan
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
March 17 2011 16:20 GMT
#11
In one of the TSL qualifiers he 3 bunker rushed me and then proceeded to call gg several times, because I didn't want to gg. I think he's very bm but w/e
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
March 17 2011 16:21 GMT
#12
There's no consistency in that jagged line of yours. At some points it starts at the player name, and other points at the team name. You can probably pick any number of words out of that.
3.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
March 17 2011 16:24 GMT
#13
Is he a full-time progamer? How many practice partners does he have? You can't expect this guy to be class-s.

Honestly I appreciate the effort you put into the OP, but do you really think that LADDER games are a good place to analyze someone's skill?

o choro é livre
Arkansassy
Profile Joined October 2010
358 Posts
March 18 2011 22:56 GMT
#14
On March 17 2011 23:29 valaki wrote:
I just want to know why he is #2 at the NASL vote site.


Because he dropped from #1.

Like schl2ler said, he doesn't care and that's not what this blog is about. I appreciate his analysis and the time he's devoted to bring avilo's games and skill to the forefront.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 18 2011 23:07 GMT
#15
On March 17 2011 22:42 MoreFaSho wrote:
You're wrong about the CC, even the mules from making it an orbital command will pay for itself pretty quickly and you don't lose the investment. Unless you take damage from an early rush it's fine to have gotten the early CC. Since the OC can move, even scv production alone would be a win.

this is true

especially with such an early expo (your main isn't fully saturated yet) the economic difference of having it at the natural is tiny
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Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
March 18 2011 23:17 GMT
#16
Looked to me like tyler was just toying around too much on game 2. More like he lost the game than avilo won.
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