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Naruto? Seriously? That's the best they could do? God, the amount of rage I feel...
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Why do these classes even exist. (How?) I don't understand how a university can approve this?
I wouldn't take it on Naruto alone, but let's not go there.
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Naruto? Really? Wow, I would totally not sign up for that class. If they wanna talk philosophy in anime, they should so do Kino no Tabi.
I wonder if there are interesting classes like that (minus the Naruto) at UCSD though...
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Ahaha, I had a philosophy professor who had a weird, romanticized view of what those "Anime and Philosophy" and "The Simpsons and Philosophy" and such books might contain. I think he actually ended up hating it when he actually read one. I'm kinda grossed out by this approach to philosophy, to be honest. Not that there's no way to use popular culture(even anime) as a tool for understanding philosophical concepts, but like 90% of the time the stuff is a gimmick and provides neither a more indepth understanding of philosophy(How much DOES Sasuke's beef with Naruto have to tell you about Hegel?) nor a more interesting set of tools to critique the culture around you.
malarkey!
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Yeah it kind of does suck that they use Naruto when there are tons of amazing older anime out there. Class will probably be pretty boring if you don't like Naruto.
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There are so many animes that deal with philosophy and they chose Naruto?
It's really a bit sad, however if you are solely interested in the situations the characters have to face you would have a vast aray of subjects to work with.
Still. It's a bit sad.
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I just realized if we're gonna watch fillers, I'm dropping this class.
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Wow... what a letdown. I'm an avid anime watcher (profile, for the curious) and especially love the aspects one thought were described by the OP. There are many great wisdoms and hints at philosophical concepts in anime, like Ghost in the Shell, Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuiokuhen, even One Piece, and many, many more, but Naruto is pretty much the last one you'd connect to philosophy. Even after the seriousness of their expression I still don't know what philosophical concept they could be talking about. My uninformed reflection on their choice makes me sad. :[
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So much fail... Why Naruto, why? Naruto isn't philosophically oriented at all, while there are animes that are specifically designed for that.
I guess they want to get popularity by using the mainstream animes and examining the philosophy of an ordinary one.
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On February 22 2011 16:53 quirinus wrote:
So much fail... Why Naruto, why? Naruto isn't philosophically oriented at all, while there are animes that are specifically designed for that.
I guess they want to get popularity by using the mainstream animes and examining the philosophy of an ordinary one.
And alienate the people who are even the slightest bit philosophically inclined in the process? It's so sad that I must repeatedly write it out. :[
On February 22 2011 16:51 shindigs wrote:
fillers
What the...? Hyping you up before letting you down is the greatest of all. Why, why, WHY?
I almost feel like I suffer more than you, haha. What a bummer. 
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if you're interested in philosophy, perhaps you should take a philosophy course that isn't based around a poorly-written children's show
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Very strange choice when there are so many others to use. Though, I can see why they might have chosen it.
Other than that, these kinds of classes/assignments are fun. My high school philosophy class was good and entertaining, though the majority of it was filled with morons. Final project was good too, had to pick a book or movie and explain it in relation to philosophical thought. I chose Fight Club because it was easy and because it was, well, Fight Club.
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On February 22 2011 17:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
if you're interested in philosophy, perhaps you should take a philosophy course that isn't based around a poorly-written children's show
I've taken other GE's that have taught philosophy on a much more serious medium. I actually enjoyed Philosophy of Science when I learned about it, it's too bad it doesn't fulfill my GE as of now. I'm not a huge philosophy buff and I don't expect much out of this class. Sort of makes me sound like a bad student O_O I just need to get my GE's done!
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They better mention Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro...
Naruto is just absolute crap. Hell, why the hell do you even go around making a class BASED ON ANIME. AM I THE ONLY ONE NOTICING SOMETHING HORRENDOUSLY WRONG HERE?
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Eh... I wonder why they chose Naruto lol
Cool idea but... meh...
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On February 22 2011 17:17 JSH wrote:
Eh... I wonder why they chose Naruto lol
Cool idea but... meh...
I looked up the instructor for next quarter, his FB profile pic is a Naruto character looooool.
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On February 22 2011 17:19 shindigs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 17:17 JSH wrote:
Eh... I wonder why they chose Naruto lol
Cool idea but... meh... I looked up the instructor for next quarter, his FB profile pic is a Naruto character looooool.
lool, hahahaha
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On February 22 2011 17:19 shindigs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 17:17 JSH wrote:
Eh... I wonder why they chose Naruto lol
Cool idea but... meh... I looked up the instructor for next quarter, his FB profile pic is a Naruto character looooool.
Haha. I feel for you.
The idea is not bad at all, but Naruto? Seriously? I guess this is more of an excuse to watch Naruto and get paid for it. Pretty clever if it works and if you like to watch it.
But perhaps we are wrong and Naruto is a deep philosophical anime.
Edit: vvvv *insert obligatory School Days comment here*
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They could've atleast chosen a harem show... :D
Ya, pretty much any anime I know would've had more philosophical depth in it.
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I would take a class like that even if it was a class for Naruto. But still...naruto..
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BWAHAHAHHAHA Naruto philosophical? xD
At least take something ethically questionable or psychological, lol.
But Naruto had me in stitches here ^_^
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lol why not Inuyasha and Philosophy? Now that would be an interesting one
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Looks like I'm wrong, non -technical, -law or -economical college educations do seem quite serious and important after all. Oh wait
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Naruto.
Seriously.
Naruto.
Good lord there are SOOOO many great animes that target philosophical subjects. But an anime with >200 episodes? Bad choice.
On February 22 2011 17:15 Tatari wrote:
They better mention Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro...
Naruto is just absolute crap. Hell, why the hell do you even go around making a class BASED ON ANIME. AM I THE ONLY ONE NOTICING SOMETHING HORRENDOUSLY WRONG HERE?
Anime has become quite an important part of Japanse culture over the years. It's certainly a subject with lots of depth to it. However, an anime like Naruto (or Sailormoon, or Dragon Ball, or One Piece, or Detective Conan, all the stuff that runs forever) is usually just simple and mindless entertainment.
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While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime.
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Death Note would have been so cool. It really touches on some deep philosophical issues regarding justice and morals. But the second half of the series is kind of lame, at least to me. The first half however is pure genius.
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Maybe we could make an anatomy class centered around ecchi anime and eroge. ;D
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i would take the class if they used something other than naruto. like ghost in the shell or some satoshi kon work.
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Is this a student run course? Might explain it.
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On February 22 2011 22:54 d3_crescentia wrote:
Is this a student run course? Might explain it.
It's not student run, the guy is either a grad student or he has a PhD. He's taught other classes before.
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A course on madoka would be amazing
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On February 22 2011 16:38 Southlight wrote:
Naruto? Seriously? That's the best they could do? God, the amount of rage I feel...
He he, yeah. It's like spitting on all the adequate shows =(
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On February 22 2011 21:42 Turgid wrote:
While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime.
You can't? How about Boogiepop Phantom? Texhnolyze? Lain? Casshern Sins? Kaiba? Noir? To name a few examples...
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On February 23 2011 07:31 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 21:42 Turgid wrote:
While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime. You can't? How about Boogiepop Phantom? Texhnolyze? Lain? Casshern Sins? Kaiba? Noir? To name a few examples...
Even if they are better than Naruto,they are just animes. If you want to learn philosophy read the ancient greek philosophers and Nietzsche.
I could understand if it was some "art" class but philosophy ? Come on... LOL
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On February 23 2011 08:45 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 07:31 Shauni wrote:On February 22 2011 21:42 Turgid wrote:
While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime. You can't? How about Boogiepop Phantom? Texhnolyze? Lain? Casshern Sins? Kaiba? Noir? To name a few examples... Even if they are better than Naruto,they are just animes. If you want to learn philosophy read the ancient greek philosophers and Nietzsche. I could understand if it was some "art" class but philosophy ? Come on... LOL
Even if the package is different, it doesn't mean that the content can't be the same.
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On February 23 2011 09:14 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 08:45 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2011 07:31 Shauni wrote:On February 22 2011 21:42 Turgid wrote:
While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime. You can't? How about Boogiepop Phantom? Texhnolyze? Lain? Casshern Sins? Kaiba? Noir? To name a few examples... Even if they are better than Naruto,they are just animes. If you want to learn philosophy read the ancient greek philosophers and Nietzsche. I could understand if it was some "art" class but philosophy ? Come on... LOL Even if the package is different, it doesn't mean that the content can't be the same.
Yea man like if animes are on the same level than Nietzsche lol.
Animes, films and dramas are work of fiction, for entairtainment. How can you make a comparison with Philosophy books ?
At best animes are regurgitating some cliché philosophical concepts ( often misunderstood ).
Read the original authors.
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On February 22 2011 17:08 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
if you're interested in philosophy, perhaps you should take a philosophy course that isn't based around a poorly-written children's show
This, and i'm actually amazed there is a class in naruto and philosophy, wow.
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On February 23 2011 09:35 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 09:14 Lucumo wrote:On February 23 2011 08:45 Boblion wrote:On February 23 2011 07:31 Shauni wrote:On February 22 2011 21:42 Turgid wrote:
While there is anime that tackles philosophical subjects, it is largely not at an academic level anyway, so I feel that's a bit of a moot point. I mean Paprika or Ghost in the Shell have fun subject matter for philosophically oriented critique but neither really deserve a whole class, and maybe this is just the elitist in me talking but I don't feel they deserve to really be taken seriously as philosophy. I can't think of better examples of philosophy in anime. You can't? How about Boogiepop Phantom? Texhnolyze? Lain? Casshern Sins? Kaiba? Noir? To name a few examples... Even if they are better than Naruto,they are just animes. If you want to learn philosophy read the ancient greek philosophers and Nietzsche. I could understand if it was some "art" class but philosophy ? Come on... LOL Even if the package is different, it doesn't mean that the content can't be the same. Yea man like if animes are on the same level than Nietzsche lol. Animes, films and dramas are work of fiction, for entairtainment. How can you make a comparison with Philosophy books ? At best animes are regurgitating some cliché philosophical concepts ( often misunderstood ). Read the original authors.
Words are just a form of communication and in the end it comes down to it that you, yourself have to think about something. When you read a book and don't think, it's just empty words. The words can be replaced by something like a story+animation etc because the way doesn't matter. It's less blunt than having the words thrown into your face but it still works. The question is whether you actually have the right mind and can do something like this.
Hm, my english is pretty bad but I hope you understand what I want to say 
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Yea i understand what you mean, but philosophy books are not fictions. It is highly theoretical and extremely hard to understand. I mean people are still arguing about the interpretation of some concepts developed by Nietzsche ( just one example ). You need to have a pretty good understanding of the material to make an anime dealing with that kind of concepts and even if it is done properly the result will be boring and incomprehensible for the "casual" viewer.
And since they are watching pretty bad animes you will end up with stupid questions like:
Is Naruto a modern übermench ? etc...
They should have made an "Japan culture and animes" course instead. It would be way more interesting and credible.
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A book is made out of a person's thoughts and in the same way a medium like an anime can be created. "It is highly theoretical" <--that's what I said with "words in your face". Of course it is hard to understand what a person thought but with such books, you are kinda tied down. An anime instead can be(how do they say it?) "thought-provoking", leaving you with concepts etc but you have to think for youself(that's why I said you need the right mind/ability to do so). That gives you freedom which I, myself, prefer.
And the class has a teacher which makes up for the lack of a guideline which is good for the in-philosophy-interested people(casual ones shouldn't join that course anyway).
(In this case the teacher is probably useless but we were talking about the theory anyway.)
Well, I'm going to bed. It's already deep into the night and I'm really, really tired.
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Definitely should of at least had an anime like Texhnolyze or Monster, would be really interesting but this is a joke...
Also they're not just "better" than Naruto, it's a whole different thing.
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Ostensible syllabus materials in no particular order or designation with high potential for cross-pollination in terms of philosophies named per anime for an Anime and Philosophy (Western, continental) course that would not totally suck in terms of the anime chosen or the philosophy involved and that as an anti-bird course would be proper slacker suppressant:
- Serial Experiments Lain + Guy Debord, Jean Baudrillard
- Neon Genesis Evangelion + Jean-Paul Sartre, psychoanalysis (Freud, Jung, Bataille, Lacan)
- Death Note + Immanuel Kant, Friedrich Nietzsche, Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment
- Azumanga Daioh + Simone de Beauvoir or some survey of American second wave feminism
- Revolutionary Girl Utena + Michel Foucault, Judith Butler, Eve Segwick
- Ghost in the Shell + Rene Descartes, Baruch Spinoza, Bertrand Russell
- FLCL + Michel de Montaigne (selected essays), Jacques Derrida's critique of Rousseau in Of Grammatology
I haven't seen Cowboy Bebop or Monster, but I imagine they'd work too.
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