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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
February 04 2011 17:36 GMT
#1
hi, square root of 2 can be written as 2^(1/2)
I search for it on google, found a lot of hows, but not whys, can some one explain why ? Teaching some math and was doing good till a student ask me why square root of 2 can be written as 2^(1/2) and I got stuck.

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Seronei
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 17:44:58
February 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#2
The better question is why is square root of 2 written as something other than 2^(1/2), the only reason it has another sign is because it's so commonly used in math.


2^(1/2) is the square root of 2 and the definition of square root is x^(1/2)
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
February 04 2011 17:44 GMT
#3
Exponential arithmetic:

2^1 * 2^(-1) = 2^(1 + (-1)) = 2^0
2^(1/2) * 2^(1/2) = 2^(1/2 + 1/2) = 2^1
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 17:46:12
February 04 2011 17:45 GMT
#4
2^2 = 2x2 2^3 is 2x2x2 so if you add one to the exponent, you multiply the original number byitself 1 more time.


Since the Square root of 2 is a number that is multiplied by itself to give 2, to get 2, that's the same as adding the exponents of 1/2 and 1/2 to get 2^1
Remember the law of indices? 2^1/2 + 2^1/2 = 2^(1/2 + 1/2) =2^1

It's really the definition of square root, that's why its hard to explain.
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
February 04 2011 17:47 GMT
#5
idk i "real" explanation.. but...
a*a=a^(1+1)
2^(1/2)*2^(1/2)=2

go backwards and i think you can prove something..
also finally is just notation...
like dx/dy is not dx/dy
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Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
February 04 2011 17:49 GMT
#6
no...lie but i was actually thinking the same thing today. I was taking elementary physics and was told that ^1/2 is the same as square rooting something. Never knew why.
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xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 17:53:08
February 04 2011 17:52 GMT
#7
Studying electrical engineering I'm not really an expert on mathematics... Kazius explanation is pretty much on the spot.

By the definition of arithmetics when using powers (hope thats the correct word) in mathematics:

x^a * x^b = x^(a+b)

Considering that "square root of x" * "square root of x" = x; "square roof of x" must be x^(1/2)
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
February 04 2011 17:58 GMT
#8
One can raise any base number to any power. For example, you can raise e^(i*pi) if you want to. Which is an important identity, because e^(i*pi)=-1.
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 04 2011 18:00 GMT
#9
the 0 exponents blew my mind more
ie for x and y =/= 0
x ^ 0 = 1
0 ^ y = 0
0 ^ 0 = 1
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SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 18:12:31
February 04 2011 18:11 GMT
#10
This is a very simple explanation:

2^3 = 8
2^2 = 4
2^1 = 2
2^0 = 1 (Just keep dividing by 2 each time you decrement the exponent)
2^(-1) = 1/2

2^1 * 2^1 = 2^2
2^0 * 2^1 = 2^1, etc. (Exponents multiplied "sum")
2^(1/2) * 2^(1/2) = 2^1

Also remembering that exponents raised to another power 'multiply':
2^(1/2) * 2^(1/2) = [2^(1/2)]^2 = 2^1

It probably makes most sense backwards, by saying something like "What number squared would make two? That number must be two to the one-half power, because exponents 'sum' when multiplied."

x^(2) = 2 => x=sqrt(2)
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
February 04 2011 18:19 GMT
#11
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2^(1/2)

You can use that to check ( you can also type Engrish words into it if you need to )

is he looking for something like this?
2^3/2 = Sqrt ( 2^3 )
2^5/2 = Sqrt ( 2^5 )
2^4/3 = CubeRoot ( 2^4 )
2^5/4 = 4th Root( 2^5 )
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 04 2011 18:53 GMT
#12
Same reason you can use x, * or () for multiplication, some of which are better than others.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
February 04 2011 19:01 GMT
#13
On February 05 2011 03:11 SirKibbleX wrote:
This is a very simple explanation:

2^3 = 8
2^2 = 4
2^1 = 2
2^0 = 1 (Just keep dividing by 2 each time you decrement the exponent)
2^(-1) = 1/2

2^1 * 2^1 = 2^2
2^0 * 2^1 = 2^1, etc. (Exponents multiplied "sum")
2^(1/2) * 2^(1/2) = 2^1

Also remembering that exponents raised to another power 'multiply':
2^(1/2) * 2^(1/2) = [2^(1/2)]^2 = 2^1

It probably makes most sense backwards, by saying something like "What number squared would make two? That number must be two to the one-half power, because exponents 'sum' when multiplied."

x^(2) = 2 => x=sqrt(2)


Here's your answer. Its simply logical progression. If you take the root of x (x^1/2) and square it (multiply the exponent by 2) you get x^1, as expected.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
February 04 2011 19:08 GMT
#14
thanks guys
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24782 Posts
February 04 2011 20:22 GMT
#15
Who were you teaching math? What math? Where Why How?
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17070 Posts
February 04 2011 20:36 GMT
#16
On February 05 2011 03:00 starfries wrote:
the 0 exponents blew my mind more
ie for x and y =/= 0
x ^ 0 = 1
0 ^ y = 0
0 ^ 0 = 1


The last assertion is incorrect. 0^0 is an indeterminate form.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 04 2011 21:53 GMT
#17
On February 05 2011 05:36 Empyrean wrote:
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On February 05 2011 03:00 starfries wrote:
the 0 exponents blew my mind more
ie for x and y =/= 0
x ^ 0 = 1
0 ^ y = 0
0 ^ 0 = 1


The last assertion is incorrect. 0^0 is an indeterminate form.

It still gives 1 on calculators and maple so people don't know that
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
February 04 2011 22:09 GMT
#18
On February 05 2011 05:22 micronesia wrote:
Who were you teaching math? What math? Where Why How?


10th graders, advance algebra2,Thomas Jefferson high school Federal way Washington, My reason for teaching is to free students' minds and show them how deep the rabbit hole really goes. The way I teach them depends on the subject at the time and each students' prior experience that i can make a connection to, in other words, i flow like water, because if you put water in a cup it becomes the cup, if you put water in a bowl it becomes the bow, be like water my friend.
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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
February 04 2011 22:42 GMT
#19
Be like water micro.

Do it.
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 23:07:02
February 04 2011 22:59 GMT
#20
On February 05 2011 05:36 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 03:00 starfries wrote:
the 0 exponents blew my mind more
ie for x and y =/= 0
x ^ 0 = 1
0 ^ y = 0
0 ^ 0 = 1


The last assertion is incorrect. 0^0 is an indeterminate form.

yeah I know, but most people define it as 1 because of how nice it makes math

edit: part of the mind-blowing comes from how hilariously complicated some of the arguments are for defining it that way

it's one of the thermal exhaust ports in the death star of mathematics that we've nailed a bunch of planks over as a fairly effective but not really satisfying solution
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