School Shootings? BLAME THE PARENTS! - Page 2

On January 21 2011 18:22 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yeah i agree, blame the parents. too much terrible parenting nowadays, at least one needs to be off work and constantly supporting the kid in my humble opinion. traditionally it was the woman, but if the woman really wants to work, the man needs to bite the bullet and raise the kids (of course not counting gay parents)

that's what i'm planning to do if/when i have kids at least. as a child raised in a two-working-parent household (where i wasnt really consistently supported for anything, they let me quit piano, they didnt see my swimming lessons through, they didnt even teach me to ride the bicycle), i can clearly see it had an impact on my social skills, work ethic, and understanding of the world in retrospect.

On January 21 2011 18:54 DND_Enkil wrote:
I dunno, i was under the impression that it is mostly due to being bullied by fellow students that theese students snap. If you treat someone like crap day after day after day sooner or later they will snap, the only question is if they can make it through school before they snap or not. If they can, they usually get away from the bullies and might recover.

Remember back in school, me and my friends where nerdy but not victims of the bullies, not on any regular basis at least. One day we saw one of the bullies knock his favorite victim down and one of my friends turned to me and said something along the lines of "If they ever tries to treat me like that i will get a gun and to hell with the consequences" (he did not mean getting knocked down, he meant the daily abuse never letting up), the rest of us mostly agreed but i am not sure who among us would have had the balls to actually do it. But i think we all would have wanted to. Parents would not really have mattered i dont think, unless they would have stepped in and kicked the crap out the bullies.

On January 21 2011 20:37 hoppipolla wrote:
Of course the parents are partly to blame in nearly all cases. But more blame should be laid on the schools that failed to shut down on the bullying (it had to be extremely severe to cause such a response) and the kids themselves, they're old enough to know right from wrong and to have a semblance of free will.

ps. Did a student really go to school with a gun in his bag? That sounds ridiculous he could so easily get a gun and just walk to school with it. I mean I can't even begin to imagine where I'm gonna get a gun from let alone just walk unnoticed into my school

On January 21 2011 20:00 AzTec wrote:
Honestly, I think it's difficult to argue that the chief amount of blame can be placed on anyone but the shooters.

Tons of kids get bullied but they don't go out and shoot people over it.

Tons of kids have shitty parents / maybe even abusive parents but they don't go out and shoot people over it.

This is like the video games makes people violent argument, there are so many people that go through exactly the same things these shooters go through and yet they don't go out and shoot people over it.

On January 21 2011 20:00 AzTec wrote:
Honestly, I think it's difficult to argue that the chief amount of blame can be placed on anyone but the shooters.

Tons of kids get bullied but they don't go out and shoot people over it.

Tons of kids have shitty parents / maybe even abusive parents but they don't go out and shoot people over it.

This is like the video games makes people violent argument, there are so many people that go through exactly the same things these shooters go through and yet they don't go out and shoot people over it.

On January 21 2011 21:01 Silentness wrote:


I agree with this guy.

I pretty much hated High School my whole time going through. I didn't want to shoot up my school though. I just graduated like everyone else and went on with my life. Expressing your anger with violence is nowhere near normal.

On January 21 2011 23:04 Yurie wrote:
I actually agree with this to a large degree. If a minor under your care commits crimes you are responsible unless you took provable steps trying to prevent it. If your child breaks a window, who pays for the repair?

Excluded or judged differently should be foster parents of known problem children, if you include these you will have no foster parents for these children.

While it may be simplistic to assume a straightforward "profile", the study did find certain similarities among the perpetrators. "The researchers found that killers do not 'snap'. They plan. They acquire weapons. These children take a long, considered, public path toward violence."[4] Princeton's Katherine Newman points out that, far from being "loners", the perpetrators are "joiners" whose attempts at social integration fail, that they let their thinking and even their plans be known, sometimes frequently over long periods of times.

On January 21 2011 20:02 Tazza wrote:

Or you can have their grandparents look after them. My grandma looked after me, and I love her very much to this day. Those were probably the best times of my life.

And yes, you should definitely blame the parents, but for the VT massacre, which was very personal to me because my dad was in the building right next to the shooting, you cannot blame the parents. They did give him counseling and support, but idk, the kid was messed up, and the kids that made fun of him didn't help.

On January 22 2011 01:40 Scruffy wrote:
For all the people saying "its easy to get a gun in the U.S. as a child", can you please elaborate? When I was ten, I couldn't even dream of getting access to any firearms whatsoever. Most of these kids probably get them from their parents. This means that the parents don't know how to purchase a gun safe/something else to keep their kids away from the guns. I guess otherwise, maybe if you were involved with a gang or something it would be possible, but please don't act like a kid went to a gun show and bought the damn thing outright.

On January 21 2011 20:57 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:

Wrong! Once again lets take away personal responsibility and blame a societal construct that has only one purpose! A school is there to educate children not to shelter them. There will ALWAYS be bullying, it's part of human nature. Unless one is mentally handicapped they must be held responsible for their actions accordingly. Making exceptions to this rule will only foster a tolerance for negligent and irresponsible behavior.