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I've recently developed a bad habit of arguing with creationists in Youtube comments.
Although I was raised a young-Earth creationist, I never understood why people thought we were close-minded (I don't believe I was ever close-minded; just ignorant--as soon as I was presented with the counter-points to all the creationist rhetoric I had grown up with, I changed my mind). I felt like evolutionists were the ones that were close-minded, what with their refusal to consider the possibility that a creator could have done things. I never realized that there was powerful evidence and convincing arguments out there that demonstrated how silly young-Earth creationist models are, and exactly how "grasping at straws" most of their defenses are.
Anyway, these you-tubers are absolutely fucking ignorant, and my attempts to have a rational, enlightened, and logical conversation with them are consistently being met with ignorance, misinterpretation, arguments that went out of style in the 19th century, and worst of all, extreme condescension. I got up at 2:30 this morning to let my sick dogs outside, and read a comment that made me so frustrated I couldn't go back to sleep. So now I'm going to be relying on caffeine to get through P-Chem. This is unhealthy; I need to stop, but I just can't stand being talked down to by people who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about, and refuse to believe that they don't know everything.
Help me stop.
 
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Ignorance often comes with a healthy dose of arrogance.
Religious fundamentalists usually won't change their minds, no matter how many scientific facts or logical proofs you present to them. The best you can do is ignore them; they'll only piss you off.
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I don't know if this is a troll or not but its fucking youtube comments. The quality of the writing in bathrooms @ McDonalds is higher than that crap. You can not possibly hope to translate half the stuff they write most of the time. Just don't ever look at the comments, and run far, far away my friend. It's not worth your time or sanity.
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Wear this on the streets and you'll be fine
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I'd say your just as stupid for trying to argue serious points on youtube.
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you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference
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On January 20 2011 03:58 Koldblooded wrote:
I'd say your just as stupid for trying to argue serious points on youtube.
Possibly. There actually are intelligent people on there, though.
On January 20 2011 03:58 kerpal wrote:
you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference
Thanks, this is what I'm looking for. The guy that was making me so mad is from the same religion I was raised in, so the funny part is that I know his arguments better than he does.
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never read youtube comments. never read stream chat. 2 simple rules for a better internet experience.
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On January 20 2011 03:58 kerpal wrote:
you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference
lol the teamliquid religion threads..
gold, just pure gold
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On January 20 2011 03:59 Igakusei wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:58 Koldblooded wrote:
I'd say your just as stupid for trying to argue serious points on youtube. Possibly. There actually are intelligent people on there, though.
perhaps.. but if they're intelligent they'll also be found in more intelligent forums of debate where they will run into people fully capable of presenting the same arguments against their views. it's not your job to turn them to your point of view, let it be and relax some 
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It shouldn't come as a surprise that arguing with Youtube people leads to nothing. Almost all of the comments there are depressingly dumb, especially when you're used to Teamliquid's great forum quality. If you believe you can convince religious fundamentalists, at least try it on some reasonable religion forum.
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On January 20 2011 04:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:58 kerpal wrote:
you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference lol the teamliquid religion threads.. gold, just pure gold
hey, i made my first ever post in a religion thread (had just started learning BW and had nothing to contribute to the strat discussions, but felt i actually knew something about religion!)
yeah.. they tend to be pretty horrible, before my time, but hilarious when i stumbled on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52109
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Arguing on youtube is never ever ever a good idea. It mostly begins with a comment about religion and ends with a 30 page long flame war
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On January 20 2011 04:05 kerpal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 04:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On January 20 2011 03:58 kerpal wrote:
you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference lol the teamliquid religion threads.. gold, just pure gold hey, i made my first ever post in a religion thread (had just started learning BW and had nothing to contribute to the strat discussions, but felt i actually knew something about religion!) yeah.. they tend to be pretty horrible, before my time, but hilarious when i stumbled on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52109
Isin't a pity that getting the other person's computer to yell at them what you've written is kinda hard. Why can't we just bust out the big-font-size, because all they end up being is a shout-fest
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On January 20 2011 03:57 RelZo wrote:Wear this on the streets and you'll be fine
How many actual scientists do you know? (undergrads don't count)
EDIT: Oh, did I just get trolled?
@OP:
Anyway, these you-tubers are absolutely fucking ignorant,
Yes, yes they are.
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Sounds like an aweful way of spending your free time. Its really not worth it in most cases (of course, there are a lot of religious people you can have good discussions with as well). I would just leave people to believe what they want and rejoice over the fact that secularization goes hand in hand with societal progress.
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On January 20 2011 04:13 bITt.mAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 04:05 kerpal wrote:On January 20 2011 04:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On January 20 2011 03:58 kerpal wrote:
you're arguing on youtube? we argue religion on TL and it degenerates into name calling and ignorance within a page.. do you really think that youtube is a place where that kinda debate will ever happen?
certainly not without enforced audio-preview.
EDIT: damn, too slow with the XKCD reference lol the teamliquid religion threads.. gold, just pure gold hey, i made my first ever post in a religion thread (had just started learning BW and had nothing to contribute to the strat discussions, but felt i actually knew something about religion!) yeah.. they tend to be pretty horrible, before my time, but hilarious when i stumbled on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52109 Isin't a pity that getting the other person's computer to yell at them what you've written is kinda hard. Why can't we just bust out the big-font-size, because all they end up being is a shout-fest
YOU SHUT UP YOU N00B MY LOGIC IS PERFECT THEREFORE YOU MUST ABANDON YOUR BELIEFS AND ACCEPT MINE.
feeling more christian yet? is it getting through? 
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I suggest that you make detailed, intelligent posts with multiple facts and sources backing up your opinion. Explain things coherently and grammatically correct. Fight "bad talk" with "good talk". Do not, however, follow that initial post up with discussion nor debate. Answer simple and direct questions on your post but don't argue minor points. Let your initial post stand for itself. Getting in the "last word" does not make one a victor in debate.
I consider there to be two major types of "ignorance". The first group is those who have never been properly presented with an alternative perspective. This group can actually benefit from reading forums and discussions. The second group is those who willfully ignore alternative perspectives. The second group simply cannot be swayed or changed by thoughts, posts nor discussion. Don't try.
On a topic like Creationism the facts are widely available. It is highly unlikely many people are in the first group. Yes, you were in the first group at one point but I believe that you were able to find a multitude of data on the subject without much trouble. You, personally, do not need to contribute to the multitude of data. The data exists.
Here is what youtube comments, TL balance discussions, battle.net forums, and many other places look like to me...
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In most debates I see on the internet ignorance is spewed from all sides. A rational discussion taking place where the merits of each side are considered does not occur. Instead, what happens is the discussion degrades to a point where each side bashes the ignorant posts made by the other and loops infinitely as stupidity is endlessly countered.'
Think of all the logical fallacies and "false facts" in the above picture and how each side can tear into the other.
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