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whiteLotus
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:06 `Zapdos wrote: The koreans are most likely Team liquid guys and idra xD At least some of them lol they will have 13 koreans so it will be more than idra and TL guys  i just think its little bit stupid, they have their 11 GSL tournaments in a year or something like that, let us have our 1 tournament :S i mean 3-4 koreans are kinda cool i guess, but 13? :S i bet 1/2/3 places will be koreans :S | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50532 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
With BW you had the excuse that most non-Koreans did not grow up somewhere with a pro-scene so it would be boring to spectators if those (relatively) trash players had to face Koreans that were far better but no one had ever heard of. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at what the restrictions for entering the last TSL were and remember they were engineered to avoid the masses of amateur/retired but incredibly strong Koreans. But SC2 is a new game and professional SC2 is still in its infancy so it wouldn't make sense to define a similar set of restrictions and make a "foreigner only" tournament. | ||
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whiteLotus
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On January 02 2011 00:21 Nytefish wrote: I think they pretty much had to open it to Koreans. With BW you had the excuse that most non-Koreans did not grow up somewhere with a pro-scene so it would be boring to spectators if those (relatively) trash players had to face Koreans that were far better but no one had ever heard of. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at what the restrictions for entering the last TSL were and remember they were engineered to avoid the masses of amateur/retired but incredibly strong Koreans. But SC2 is a new game and professional SC2 is still in its infancy so it wouldn't make sense to define a similar set of restrictions and make a "foreigner only" tournament. well im sure u saw kaspersky cup right? foreigners were stomped  im sure same will happen here, even worse maybe? cuz koreans ofc will train EVEN MORE to win this, big money tournament :S | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:26 Slayer91 wrote: You're looking at kaspersky cup and totally ignoring that other tourny at the same time with dimaga in the finals vs fruidealer, and tons of foreigners in general? That was like in the beta. :< | ||
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herve
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On January 02 2011 00:24 whiteLotus wrote: well im sure u saw kaspersky cup right? foreigners were stomped im sure same will happen here, even worse maybe? cuz koreans ofc will train EVEN MORE to win this, big money tournament :SAnd so be it. I'd rather see the very best players win regardless of nationality. Why do you think foreigners need a bone thrown to them? We've already seen that the very best can compete with the Koreans. I imagine in the future, if possible, they will have Korean server TL opens to decide who from that region gets a shot at qualifying. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
I'm not really worried to be honest, they're still a minority compared to the amount of foreigners, its not like in the GSL where its the opposite. I'm confident we'll have atleast 1 foreigner in the finals. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:24 whiteLotus wrote: well im sure u saw kaspersky cup right? foreigners were stomped im sure same will happen here, even worse maybe? cuz koreans ofc will train EVEN MORE to win this, big money tournament :SI'm not saying foreigners and Koreans are equally skilled (not saying they aren't either). I mean it's hard to set rules defining on what it means to be a foreigner, especially now that there are so many foreigners in SK and you have Idra who's been there from before SC2 until now. It would be even worse to base it on ethnicity since that is hard to check and unfairly excludes Koreans who have never even been to Korea. Or similar cases. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:31 Nytefish wrote: It would be even worse to base it on ethnicity since that is hard to check and unfairly excludes Koreans who have never even been to Korea. Or similar cases. That was never the case. If a person is living outside of Korea even if he is Korean is a "foreigner" | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:56 ShadeR wrote: why settle with the best of the worst when you can watch the best of the best =] yea but foreigner tournament, and i want to watch finals with foreigners, not koreans like in gsl .. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 02 2011 00:58 whiteLotus wrote: yea but foreigner tournament, and i want to watch finals with foreigners, not koreans like in gsl .. Then watch any one of the multitude of foreign tournaments and you'll get your wish. How often do you get a truly international tournament? I think that's something pretty special | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On January 02 2011 01:20 Adila wrote: I'm more curious about how the lag/latency issue will be resolved with the Koreans. playing on US servers? | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
From the TSL 2 nongmin participation announcement thread: One of the TSL's major goals has been to promote and enhance the non-professional or "foreigner" scene. Times have changed drastically but I think the same applies today. Would the scene benefit more if there was no Koreans participating in TSL3? I'm sure the answer is no. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Otherwise and nonetheless this is going to be the greatest tournament ever. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On January 02 2011 01:51 Ghad wrote: This thread is silly. There are foreigner tournaments going on without korean representation ALL THE TIME. dude did u even read more than 2 posts, i already said that few koreans is cool, but 13? thats way too much, will be just like GSL starting from quarters no foreigners can be found | ||
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Brewed Tea
United States124 Posts
its pretty ignorant to say "well i guess we might as well give it to the koreans" because the skill cap for the best players on NA and EU is close to korea as well, with maybe a few exceptions such as MC and MVP | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On January 02 2011 01:53 whiteLotus wrote: dude did u even read more than 2 posts, i already said that few koreans is cool, but 13? thats way too much, will be just like GSL starting from quarters no foreigners can be found that's not even how it works in the GSL where less than 1% of the participants are foreigners, so how are you going to assume something like this? are you just scared that koreans are gonna come in and just whoop everyone's ass? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
TSL was always defined as being an event for foreigners, especially considering most foreigners don't have access to playing in the GSL. GSL doesn't just invite foreigners who cant logistically play in their qualifiers, why should we invite koreans to play in our tournament? | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
And yeah its kind boring to say: "ahh another finals with koreans only" every one month in the GSL. Conclusion: Have less koreans | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On January 02 2011 02:47 TemplarCo. wrote: Well yeah 1/3 of the players are koreans, and I kind of agree with you that there are too much koreans in there, still you should get a few in there 4-6 rather than 10-13. And yeah its kind boring to say: "ahh another finals with koreans only" every one month in the GSL. Conclusion: Have less koreans wow mind=blown LOL totaly agree | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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Chef
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On January 02 2011 04:08 darmousseh wrote: Having a good mix of koreans will really help us understand how far of a gap exists between foreign and korean players. Latency/Lag issues will still be a problem though. MC got demolished by TOP - late forcefields and uncharacteristic voidray control were no doubt a part of that (seeing as they form pretty much the basis of MC's play). I'm not saying TOP wouldn't be able to beat MC... but 4-0? | ||
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Zim23
United States1681 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
p.s. I'm also wondering if TLAF-TL players and Idra will be counted towards Koreans? | ||
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love.less
United Kingdom293 Posts
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hypercube
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