• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:25
CEST 05:25
KST 12:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20266Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8104 users

"My god, this Toss is everywhere!"

Blogs > twoxmachine
Post a Reply
twoxmachine
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States50 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 17:01:42
December 09 2010 12:32 GMT
#1
[edit]: Due to some confusion, it should be stated that the concept of Harass and Micro in Protoss play was covered in the OP by NearPerfection. However, many other topics received the same treatment. A proper reply would address the rest of the issues brought up. This post is meant to cover the specific mindset that some players have that Protoss race is less suited to Harass and Micro, and only that specific mindset. (i.e. the concept deserves its own special love!)

[edit #2]: Due to further confusion, the most important points will be highlighted in bold! Scroll down to speed read.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175466
Above is the link to the original post by NearPerfection, a self-proclaimed Top 200 (unaware of which server) Protoss, which is called "Is it too late to switch races?".

While I don't agree with many points, the OP is very clear in describing a style of play that benefits from:

1) Micro, by way of making comparisons between the stutter-step of Marines in SC2 and Archers in WC3.

2) Harassment, in detailing his frustrations with his experiences as Protoss.

Terrans have indeed exhibited play utilizing these two factors to defeat opponents. To list one, MMM drop play against an aggressively expanding opponent can often catch less-mobile armies out of position and attack similar vulnerabilities. Should NearPerfection's opponent allow himself these vulnerabilities, many of NearPerfection's abilities will come to to fore.

One issue that will come up is that not all of his opponents will be using a strategy that allows for this type of play. Of course, NearPerfection describes his issues with this, and the fact that he does not feel that the army compositions utilized as Protoss in those cases does not appeal to either Micro or Harassment. However, he also felt strongly against the composition utilized in the TvT matchup when playing Terran. Some games do not allow for micro-focused/harass play to be the most effective stratagem.

The reason that that much of this was described in sweeping strokes was to remove concepts of race balance and community input. What we are looking for here is the look of the game that NearPerfection prefers with regards to changing races: Micro and Harassment. Is switching to Terran or Zerg required to appeal to those two facets of play?

What does high-micro harass-heavy Protoss look like? In one case, perhaps Void Rays with Flux Vanes (ignoring the PTR) may fit the bill. Instances of superior Void Ray control have been really notable at major tournaments; charging up on targetable doodads and maintaining the charge across distances and on enemies lights up the battlefield.

As always, this will not be optimal unit choice and strategy in every circumstance, but can certainly fulfill the stutter-step micro and harass being searched for by NearPerfection in the case of Protoss.

Here is a series of Protoss major unit and tech transitions with ONLY Harass, and to a lesser extent, Micro in mind.
This is by no means, set in stone. Stalkers---> Blink ---> Robobay----> Warp Prism---> Warp Prism Harass----> High Templar Archives/Dark Shrine----> Warped Unit Harass----> Stargate----> Void Ray----> Fleet Beacon----> Flux Vanes.

Some Protoss play does not highlight a player's Micro or ability to abuse positioning vulnerabilities, but that is also true of every other Race. Is the Protoss really race as a whole unable to take advantage of those circumstances?

If you have replays or stories showcasing Protoss Micro and Harass, please reply below or send them to: enemieshugsc2@gmail.com .

*
"...if while you're playing Halo, you do some genius move and then you realize that the microwave is about to go off in two seconds so you have that perfect timing, then at the same time you, like, figure out how to do the..." ~Tyler "NonY" Wasieleski
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
December 09 2010 12:36 GMT
#2
Looking back at the archer in wc3 I don't think that it was ever used to stutter step >.>. Maybe you're confused with a grunt, agi hero or huntress ;o.
What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
December 09 2010 12:44 GMT
#3
Wow, you made this account just to post this?
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2757 Posts
December 09 2010 14:06 GMT
#4
You know you can reply in threads?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25998 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 16:53:24
December 09 2010 16:22 GMT
#5
Edit: Thread gets to live. I think there's a lot of harassment opportunities for Protoss if you want to play them that way...
Moderator
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
December 31 2010 00:14 GMT
#6
I'm interested in seeing ways to open up harassing with protoss that isn't an autolose to the early pushes that are so common these days. But every way I've tried has just sent me on a losing streak and back to the drawing board.
"(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs
ByuN vs Shameless
CranKy Ducklings133
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 181
ProTech93
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4731
Sea 3745
GuemChi 3603
Mind 122
Sexy 45
Noble 18
Terrorterran 13
Dota 2
monkeys_forever753
NeuroSwarm148
League of Legends
JimRising 885
Other Games
summit1g11201
Day[9].tv1051
C9.Mang0605
WinterStarcraft431
PiGStarcraft336
FrodaN213
Maynarde123
Trikslyr97
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1141
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 18
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP58
• davetesta15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1150
• Lourlo880
Other Games
• Day9tv1051
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
20h 36m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.