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yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 03:13:06
November 30 2010 03:12 GMT
#1
So I finally got my own copy of SC2 on my battle.net account, and obviously I start at the bottom and have to work my way back up the ladder.

I forgot to choose P on my first match and lost a ZvZ because apparently 8pool is countered by 6pool on Steppes of War. Anyways I 4-1 into Plat and start tearing it up.

Previously, I was 2100 diamond on my other played account, so (no offense) Platinum players aren't much a challenge.

I quickly started facing higher and higher rated players, and am now constantly fighting 'Favored' opponents who are upwards of 2100 Diamond.

I can't help but feel bad (not really) but also laugh at their misfortune for getting placed against me. Not like I'm good by any stretch, just a mid-level Diamond player who can hold my own. The problem is for my enemy, who is losing 22-23 points per game.

I seriously just cannon rushed a favored opponent on Jungle Basin. 2200 rated Protoss, not 'pro' enough and lost 22 points. Ouch!

This system is seriously flawed. You should be able to input a previous account or something, somewhere along the way, so that when you face people of your own skill level (determined on the other account), they don't get harvested for points.

Anwyays I'm laughing probably a lot more than I should when these guys fall prey to the merciless cheese I've been doing while I grind back up. Ladder ahoy!

-yarkO

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When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
November 30 2010 03:15 GMT
#2
The points they win/lose are dependent on your mmr, not your actual rating

Same for the points you get from them
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 03:18:04
November 30 2010 03:16 GMT
#3
When I beat 2k+ diamonds on my 600~ plat NA account and get +22s, they don't lose the same amount.

As said, their loss is mmr based - so -10/11 or so seems general, as your mmr is roughly evenly matched.
sebusca
Profile Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
November 30 2010 03:26 GMT
#4
Congratulations for only being able to win via cheese and feeling good about it?
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
November 30 2010 03:29 GMT
#5
On November 30 2010 12:26 sebusca wrote:
Congratulations for only being able to win via cheese and feeling good about it?

That has nothing to do with the thread? why so negative, cheer up man
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46246 Posts
November 30 2010 03:30 GMT
#6
Cannon rushes are hit or miss.

They sometimes work against bronze players and they sometimes work against diamond players. I don't really think you need to be 2100 diamond level to pull off a successful cheese; it's based on it NOT getting scouted, so there's an element of luck.

But... congratulations on being super cool.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
November 30 2010 04:20 GMT
#7
Id imagine how pissed the 2200 diamonds would be to be losing to a plat.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 30 2010 04:22 GMT
#8
I dont see how anything you describe shows the system as being flawed.
beep boop
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 30 2010 04:24 GMT
#9
Even if you win 22/23 points. Doesn't mean they lose by the same amount. So I don't think they will be THAT sad.
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
November 30 2010 04:25 GMT
#10
brag post. this is nothing special. all the latecomers experience this "opponent heavily favored" stuff and they don't lose 22. 10/14 sounds more likely
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-30 04:36:05
November 30 2010 04:35 GMT
#11
Brag post? It's a blog. I can write what I want ^^

Didn't know about the points though. I thought something might be up when I mentioned to the guy that he was favored he said "I thought we were even." If these guys aren't losing 22/23 per game then my complaint is not valid!

Either way :D

When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
November 30 2010 05:00 GMT
#12
"Favored," as well as point calculations, compares your points to their MMR. You're seeing them as favored because you're still in Platinum, and comparing Platinum points to Diamond MMR is a mismatch. So while you see them as favored and pick up 20+ points for winning, they're comparing Diamond points to your Diamond MMR and seeing "Even Match" and losing ~10 points when you beat them. You'll see your opponents rapidly stop being favored once you get promoted to Diamond.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
November 30 2010 07:54 GMT
#13
On November 30 2010 12:12 yarkO wrote:
This system is seriously flawed. You should be able to input a previous account or something, somewhere along the way, so that when you face people of your own skill level (determined on the other account), they don't get harvested for points.


You of course mean you should just use one account if you want the system to stay accurate right?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Corinthos *
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
November 30 2010 08:31 GMT
#14
Could you at least post accurate numbers? There's nothing wrong with being paired vs a 2.2k pt player, and winning. Read Excalibur_Z . Since his division is not mentioned there, and no players in his division are in top 200 it is likely his division falls under E rank. 2200-315 = 1885 pts thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830

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Your opponent lost 11 points. Congrats, you are currently around his level.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 30 2010 16:38 GMT
#15
His bonus pool is at least very skilled.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
November 30 2010 17:57 GMT
#16
It's a blog but it makes you look very ignorant when you make criticisms of a system you don't even understand. They don't lose the same amount of points you win and the favor system can have both screens displaying the same thing.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
November 30 2010 18:34 GMT
#17
damn yarko you're such a good player and everybody should admire your insane platinum crushing skills
can i pay you 40$ an hour to teach me how to cheese?
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