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cz
United States3249 Posts
So was Terran completely overpowered a month ago (and still is, as that patch did basically nothing to nerf Terran) or was the game pretty closed to balanced then? Also, in your opinion, what races have natural advantages over which? (ie in BW it was T>Z>P>T).  | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
In my opinion as the game is in it's current state. Terran is pretty weak. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
Except I think it's more that Terran aren't adapting like zerg had to for 2 months or so. I mean, we won GSL while supposedly an OP terran and a UP zerg. Yet it seems, at least at 1800~ diamond level, that all terran have resorted to either cheeses or all in's. Like almost every single one complains zerg is OP, and they HAVE to do cheeses/allin's to win. Yet really, they haven't really tried anything else. I'm waiting for a savior like Idra/Cool was to zerg to come up with a new stable build. And honestly, there are. oh yeah, should mention patch changes Barracks requires supply depot(so long for creativity) Reaper speed requires factory(so long reaper builds) zerg buildings hp was buffed, roach range to 4, protoss nexus hp buffed. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:45 NuKedUFirst wrote: once upon a time there was a patch that fucked terran over basically. The changes were SO retarded that everyone agreed. All of the zerg that switched to terran because over the overpowered ness went back to zerg and all of the "true" terran fans remain. The end. In my opinion as the game is in it's current state. Terran is pretty weak. So there was a patch in the past month that nerfed terran considerably? Can someone link me to the game changes in that patch? | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:43 cz wrote: I don't really play sc2 all that much so I'm going to have to ask you guys this... What happened with respect to Terran being decisively overpowered? A month ago every thread in the sc2 forum was "terran is so easy, lol" or "zerg so weak, lol," but after Cool won the GSL that seems to have gone away. So was Terran completely overpowered a month ago (and still is, as that patch did basically nothing to nerf Terran) or was the game pretty closed to balanced then? Also, in your opinion, what races have natural advantages over which? (ie in BW it was T>Z>P>T). It's probably the opposite right from BW right now. P>Z>T>P, though all races are really close either way and really hard to tell. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:46 Pandain wrote: Ever since the patch it's sort of evened out, with zerg possibly being OP. Except I think it's more that Terran aren't adapting like zerg had to for 2 months or so. I mean, we won GSL while supposedly an OP terran and a UP zerg. Yet it seems, at least at 1800~ diamond level, that all terran have resorted to either cheeses or all in's. Like almost every single one complains zerg is OP, and they HAVE to do cheeses/allin's to win. Yet really, they haven't really tried anything else. I'm waiting for a savior like Idra/Cool was to zerg to come up with a new stable build. And honestly, there are. oh yeah, should mention patch changes Barracks requires supply depot(so long for creativity) Reaper speed requires factory(so long reaper builds) zerg buildings hp was buffed, roach range to 4, protoss nexus hp buffed. Do reapers have any use now? Isn't the new vulture (car thing with flamethrower) a better version of it @ factory tech level? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23461 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:47 cz wrote: So there was a patch in the past month that nerfed terran considerably? Can someone link me to the game changes in that patch? You can't make a barracks without a depot and reaper speed requires a factory. Roaches now have 4 range which means hellion/reaper kiting them is basically impossible. The reason its a big change is that terrans had tons of options 2 standard ones (hellion and reaper) and lots of others to give them an advantage in midgame. Hatch first is possible almost every game thanks to no rax first. Now most of those options are shutdown zerg can get into an even midgame and is doing just fine vs terran.. TvP hasn't changed and I thats a very dynamic matchup right now. Arguments for "imbalance" can be made for either race. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:50 cz wrote: Do reapers have any use now? Isn't the new vulture (car thing with flamethrower) a better version of it @ factory tech level? the hellion costs 25 more minerals than a vulture and has no mines I prefer vultures | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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.Aar
2177 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:46 Pandain wrote: Except I think it's more that Terran aren't adapting And yet when Blizzard said the same exact thing about Zerg a while ago nobody bought it and kept complaining anyway~ | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:48 teamsolid wrote: It's probably the opposite right from BW right now. P>Z>T>P, though all races are really close either way and really hard to tell. I agree with teamsolid here, it feels like my mu's are going this way. Sorta weird to have a tough time with ZvP now, just never thought that it would happen. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
On October 24 2010 05:31 .Aar wrote: And yet when Blizzard said the same exact thing about Zerg a while ago nobody bought it and kept complaining anyway~ Zergs were underpowered for much longer than Terrans have been 'underpowered.' | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On October 24 2010 06:33 3clipse wrote: The game is approaching balance and Terrans aren't used to it. Zerg went for weeks without balance changes so we could see how the game would settle; I suggest Blizzard keeps this policy. At this point we can't definitively say if Terran is still overpowered, balanced or underpowered. The possible openings of the game have changed drastically and we need to see how it evolves. Isn't "approaching balance" and "can't definitely say if Terran is ..." contradictory? | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On October 24 2010 04:45 NuKedUFirst wrote: once upon a time there was a patch that fucked terran over basically. The changes were SO retarded that everyone agreed. All of the zerg that switched to terran because over the overpowered ness went back to zerg and all of the "true" terran fans remain. The end. In my opinion as the game is in it's current state. Terran is pretty weak. Really? I still find TvP pretty Terran favored. TvZ is pretty hard now though | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On October 24 2010 07:07 dcberkeley wrote: Isn't "approaching balance" and "can't definitely say if Terran is ..." contradictory? I'm saying it's obviously more balanced than before when it was really damn obvious that zerg was weak. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Then they buffed Zerg roach range, and forced Terrans to make a supply depot before Rax. Since Zerg players were use to stopping much more aggressive early pressure from Terran, Zerg can now deal with much of the harass easily comparatively. So now Zerg are OP if your a Terran player, cause you simply cannot harass a Zerg to death. Terran's actually need to actually have fair mechanics to be successful vs Zerg. This causes Terran's to complain. In the long run i think this will actually be good for the match-up. I think Terran's are going to have to start setting up slow methodical death pushes, that take patience and skill. | ||
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