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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 02:37:17
October 19 2010 02:36 GMT
#1
So I've recently walked into a predicament. My internet becomes really slow during the afternoon hours, and it's been so bad that I've ended up piggybacking one of my neighbor's unprotected wireless during those hours that I need to get some online work done.

Now I personally don't mind other people piggybacking off mine, if they ask nicely and don't hog up all the bandwidth, but I still have a simple WEP encryption just for shits and giggles. I'm not intentionally trying to access his/her network, so during those times that I'm using it, I barely think about it.

However, if this person happens to confront me, I won't have any problem paying for my mis-use of the wireless if he/she so asks. I know that I shouldn't have used it to begin with.

So here's a little question for you guys: aside from the questionable illegality of "stealing" wireless, what moral qualms, if any, do you guys have with piggybacking wireless?

Laerties
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States361 Posts
October 19 2010 02:46 GMT
#2
I think its fine if they aren't fucking with my network. While it's not morally right, its not wrong enough to not do it hehe. I do have a password on mine though, just cuz i dont wan't anyone fuckin with my network.
Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.
Zhek
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada342 Posts
October 19 2010 03:10 GMT
#3
Law of evolution. PW your damn wireless if you don't want anyone on it.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
October 19 2010 03:17 GMT
#4
It seems like everyone these days has a protected connection =(.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
October 19 2010 03:21 GMT
#5
If it's unprotected then I have no moral qualms about using it :x
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 19 2010 03:23 GMT
#6
it's fine if they dont password protect it. It's like having no walls on your house, cant get mad for people walkin in
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tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
October 19 2010 03:36 GMT
#7
On October 19 2010 12:23 Divinek wrote:
it's fine if they dont password protect it. It's like having no walls on your house, cant get mad for people walkin in

if your house didn't have walls it wouldn't be a house to begin with
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Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
October 19 2010 03:43 GMT
#8
I'd say it's more like leaving your house unlocked with an obvious sign that reads "UNLOCKED," and somebody walks in and uses your bathroom/kitchen without damaging anything and without you even knowing. And perhaps they have a camouflage of sorts.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 19 2010 03:49 GMT
#9
Usually when you steal something, you're taking away a resource and redistributing it to yourself. In this case, let's see what's going on:

By using the person's router, you are slightly increasing the load on the device, very insignificantly decreasing its lifespan and increasing power consumption (of course, the whole thing is still way less than a light bulb). Also you would be increasing the average and peak latency and reducing the available throughput by a little. In terms of overall spectrum consumption from a government or technical perspective, there's not really a difference. **Okay, there may be, but I'm not getting into that unless somebody really wants to hear why.

As long as you don't do anything illegal or hog the bandwidth, all the costs to the user are pretty negligible. It's leeching, but there are probably bigger things in the world to worry about.
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 04:04:56
October 19 2010 04:04 GMT
#10
I'm down with it because I don't misuse.
I'm also down with other people using mine, as long as they aren't abusing.
Though I feel it's probably wrong if you don't have consent. Otherwise, sharing is k IMO.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
Lexpar
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
1813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 04:10:39
October 19 2010 04:10 GMT
#11
Unless it burns when you- WAIT.

If anyone isn't password protecting their wireless network these days, the deserve to have strangers piggybacking on them. Also, if he/she isn't protecting their wireless, they're not gonna have the technical know how to figure out who's using it.

Plus you live in the US. Infinite monthly bandwidth. In Canada is you use more than 20/40/60/100 gigs of bandwidth a month you get charged 2 dollars a gig. Robbery :/
RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
October 19 2010 04:17 GMT
#12
On October 19 2010 13:10 Lexpar wrote:
Unless it burns when you- WAIT.

If anyone isn't password protecting their wireless network these days, the deserve to have strangers piggybacking on them. Also, if he/she isn't protecting their wireless, they're not gonna have the technical know how to figure out who's using it.

Plus you live in the US. Infinite monthly bandwidth. In Canada is you use more than 20/40/60/100 gigs of bandwidth a month you get charged 2 dollars a gig. Robbery :/


Hmm. I think it would be hard to go over like 20gig a month. Unless your downloading and watching videos on youtube like a monster. Like downloading Borderlands, Mass Effect 2, Sims 3 AND Civilization 5 in one month. On top of that, watching like 50 youtube videos a day.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 19 2010 04:29 GMT
#13
Is it that hard to use WPA or WPA2? Even WEP is sufficient.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 19 2010 06:11 GMT
#14
WPA2 is much much much harder to crack than a WEP key, but when you think about it, 99% of people who would want to steal your internet don't even know where to begin on cracking it, so it still serves it's purpose.

As for morals, I don't see any problems with someone "stealing" someone elses wireless internet connection. They obviously don't mind it THAT much if they didn't put a bloody password/authentication/encryption on it. If someone even tried to get mad at me I wouldn't give a shit; they're asking for it if they aren't going to put some kind of security measure on it. In that 5 minutes it took for him to knock on your door and tell you off, he could have set up some security measures.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
October 19 2010 06:38 GMT
#15
No, people do not deserve to have others piggybacking on their unprotected networks. Do people deserve to be robbed when they leave their door unlocked? That's not saying people shouldn't protect themselves, but they certainly don't "deserve" to be wronged for possible naivety. And piggybacking is definitely stealing. You are stealing the user's access to the internet for which the user pays a monthly fee. I mean, if it's your neighbor and you get along well with each other, its kind of like a friend borrowing something without asking. But strangers piggybacking on others is definitely immoral.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
October 19 2010 06:55 GMT
#16
If someone does protect their wireless then they are inviting you to use it. There is no moral issue here at all.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 07:06:08
October 19 2010 07:04 GMT
#17
On October 19 2010 15:38 Enervate wrote:
No, people do not deserve to have others piggybacking on their unprotected networks. Do people deserve to be robbed when they leave their door unlocked?

What kind of analogy is that? If his radio waves from his wireless router are strong enough to be picked up from within your house then by all means you should be able to take advantage of it. If someone fucking leaves a lawn mower in my backyard then hell yeah I'm going to be like "sweet, a fucking lawn mower" and use it. If the owner comes over to my house and starts giving me shit for using his lawn mower I'm gonna be like "well don't fucking leave your lawn mower in my back yard if you don't want me to use it." Radiowaves from wireless access points are emitted at the 2.4 and 5GHz range, which is a public band. Put some damn security or limit the antenna range on your wireless router if you don't want people using the signal you are transmitting through their house. There are reasons why it's not illegal to use a public signal, have you even thought of them?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
CortoMontez
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia608 Posts
October 19 2010 07:09 GMT
#18
I can guarantee that if any of you lived in Australia you would be opposed to piggybacking, simply due to the rediculous download limits imposed upon us :S
"Creator was doing a really good job trying to win without storm but it was like eating spaghetti with a screwdriver." -Severian
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 07:22:56
October 19 2010 07:22 GMT
#19
Why would you even feel guilty about using their wireless lol

Their fault they didn't spend 1 minute of their life setting up a password on it.

On the other hand, don't go around fucking with their router settings, changing the router passwords, etc. THAT's where it becomes a moral issue imo
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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
October 19 2010 07:32 GMT
#20
As long as you're not doing anything that would warrant a warning from the FBI or the FCC, I wouldn't care as long as StarCraft is playable.

I use other people's wifi on my Touch all the time; I don't see any reason to feel anything about it. If you don't put a freaking password on your network it's going to be used.

It's not stealing at all. A better analogy then "robbing someone whose door is unlocked" would be- you pay money every month to have a work of art over at your place. If you put it inside, only you can look at it. If you leave it outside, you have to walk outside to look at it and it's less convenient, and other people will look at it too. If you don't carry it inside, you can't blame people for looking at "your" art.
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