EPTWhat is the man to do? Abandon his crop for the insects and jump off the cliff and into the darkness of a life spent fishing, or stand by his crop, and watch his dreams become ever more distant, with age?
That is the story, and that is the question.
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SpartiK1S
United States145 Posts
What is the man to do? Abandon his crop for the insects and jump off the cliff and into the darkness of a life spent fishing, or stand by his crop, and watch his dreams become ever more distant, with age? That is the story, and that is the question. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
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unit
United States2621 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
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paper
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
Later, hope that you actually loved fishing as much as you'd hope you would, otherwise you might just find yourself back at the farm. Or being a prostitute. Just make sure to pay back those loans. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
Thoughts? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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palanq
United States761 Posts
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Lysis
United States147 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:04 Laerties wrote: The man should not abandon his crops to go fishing. He has a social obligation to maintain the fields. While the man may think fishing will be an enjoyable experience (and it may) he should learn to receive personal fulfillment from the betterment of his society and the helping of others. In my opinion, the most respectable and genuinely "good" thing a person can do is place the needs of a society and the greater good before his/her own. Thoughts? However, in the market system, personal gain is the primary objective. People will go do what ever they want to do and the market will all even it out. Tradition-based systems such as the one in the story offer no self-fulfillment and just simply force people into the family or pre-appointed "role" that doesn't advance either society or the wants of the public. The clan can make other people harvest crops, this man can go out fishing if he so pleases. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:04 Laerties wrote: The man should not abandon his crops to go fishing. He has a social obligation to maintain the fields. While the man may think fishing will be an enjoyable experience (and it may) he should learn to receive personal fulfillment from the betterment of his society and the helping of others. In my opinion, the most respectable and genuinely "good" thing a person can do is place the needs of a society and the greater good before his/her own. Thoughts? He probably shouldn't leave if it means others will starve because of him. But blindly ignoring his own wishes to serve the community can't be right either. If everyone follows his example many of them will be miserable and they will make the rest unhappy too. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
On September 24 2010 10:10 Lysis wrote: However, in the market system, personal gain is the primary objective. People will go do what ever they want to do and the market will all even it out. Tradition-based systems such as the one in the story offer no self-fulfillment and just simply force people into the family or pre-appointed "role" that doesn't advance either society or the wants of the public. The clan can make other people harvest crops, this man can go out fishing if he so pleases. I was assuming that the man managing the crops was put there because he is needed and that the society agrees that his job is beneficial to the people. I don't think either of those assumptions are ridiculous to make and most jobs in what you call a "Tradition-based system", or what the rest of us might call a primitive society do in fact benefit the community as a whole. Hunter...Gatherer...builder etc... My opinion is that the man can achieve happiness and self-fulfillment by sacrificing his personal desires for the betterment of his society (which we should assume he is doing by performing his job). So, I don't believe you are correct in saying that jobs similar to the one in the story offer no self-fulfillment, in-fact I think they have the potential to provide more happiness than desired jobs. It's all a matter of perspective. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:04 Laerties wrote: The man should not abandon his crops to go fishing. He has a social obligation to maintain the fields. While the man may think fishing will be an enjoyable experience (and it may) he should learn to receive personal fulfillment from the betterment of his society and the helping of others. In my opinion, the most respectable and genuinely "good" thing a person can do is place the needs of a society and the greater good before his/her own. Thoughts? nah if you have to learn to receive fulfillment, you're doing it wrong. other people can harvest the crops, go get 'em sailor. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
On September 24 2010 10:51 hypercube wrote: He probably shouldn't leave if it means others will starve because of him. But blindly ignoring his own wishes to serve the community can't be right either. If everyone follows his example many of them will be miserable and they will make the rest unhappy too. I think you missed my point that each member of the community can achieve happiness and self-fulfillment through the helping of others. I think it is fair to assume that the man tending the crops is benefiting his community by performing his job... I was asking your opinion on whether you thought it was possible to achieve happiness and self-fulfillment through the helping of others. It seems to me that you are disagreeing but you didn't explain your reasoning. Rather, you proceed to assume your opinion was correct in the next statement. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 24 2010 12:26 Laerties wrote: I think you missed my point that each member of the community can achieve happiness and self-fulfillment through the helping of others. Yes, I disagree. Not everyone can find happiness in doing something they inherently dislike, even if it's helping others. I can't really give reasoning, to me this is just self-evident. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
this guy is a great example | ||
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