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ziz
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
203 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 03:45:41
September 15 2010 03:43 GMT
#1
Who is anticipating a big surprise by current progamers switching to sc2 scene?
To be honest, this game has a lot of potential (sc2) but I think there is a lack of talent in the field as of now.
Foreigners often come up with cutesy little builds that are viable for temporary amount of time, but it's progamers in Korea that are capable of making a build/micromanagement that is solid throughout entire game.
I personally think given that top 200 Kespa ranked sc:bw players switch to sc2, they will make up at least 60% of the top 200 list in Korea/world. Their talent is simply too overwhelming.

I think time for foreigners to shine in GSL is NOW. Idra or TLO sure stands out, but I honestly think he will have no chance when any of top 100 ranked Kespa player transitions to sc2 (with exception to fail toss, jangminchul). I almost felt SO happy when I heard some guy named HolyCheck that may either be NADA or BOXER kept winning in Kisado KOTH and the news said that he employed mind-blowing strategies that mirror many aspects of brood war days builds. Those are the faces that I am anticipating to see. Right now, it simply is too painful to watch with amateurs just taking advantage of over poweredness of each race. It's hard to see creativity that can be only sprung from the cream of the crop.

For now, all we can do is patiently wait for bw scene to die. Then Flash and Jaedong will take over, once again. =)

*
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
September 15 2010 03:47 GMT
#2
Lol racist much ?

User was warned for this post
Each day gets better : )
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 15 2010 03:49 GMT
#3
NO!!! I want the BW scene to stay forever. I hope to god that that SC1 lives forever, because it is a way better spectator sport. I admit that SC2 is a more fun to play, I hardly play BW anymore, but its really not that interesting to watch. Whenever I watch a BW game, I can sense the tension between the teams, and all the practice they had, but I just don't get that feeling in BW. And the commentators for SC1 were way better, especially if you know Korean. But yes, if the BW players did switch, then they would own everyone. There would still be a Taekbangleessang. But I really want SC1 to continue, there's just so much drama and so many exciting game, that SC2 just simply cannot produce
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
September 15 2010 03:52 GMT
#4
oh god this is going to get messy. you're intentionally flamebaiting, right?
boomer hands
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 03:53:47
September 15 2010 03:53 GMT
#5
I'm deeply annoyed by the assumption of inevitability.
It'd be a complete waste of talent if the top BW players suddenly switched for "potential".

On September 15 2010 12:52 seRapH wrote:
oh god this is going to get messy. you're intentionally flamebaiting, right?

I think he's earnest.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
September 15 2010 04:03 GMT
#6
No, SC2 has a big potential to fail and has already flopped in Korea. Especially when Blizzard has 100% control on the SC2 e-sports scene that they can shut it down any time they want to promote a new product.
If BW were to shut down any time soon, great players like Jaedong and Flash will spend their time to study for a better future now that they've already loaded their bank full of cash from BW, rather than wasting their life on "potential", chasing after "potential" tournament prizes that will surely seize to exist immediately when Blizzard decides to release a new game.
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
September 15 2010 04:17 GMT
#7
Why would they switch? BW is still a much more entertaining game to watch, and there is still more money in BW, not to mention security. Plus, given Blizzard's current behavior in regards to trying to kill off BW, who's to say they won't do the exact same thing once they decide to make SC3?
seNsiX.421
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
September 15 2010 04:28 GMT
#8
Incoming SC2 vs BW thread >.<
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Whitesheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States59 Posts
September 15 2010 04:39 GMT
#9
meh
so much enthusiasm for a boring subject.
but a blog is a blog.
i hope boxer will be back.
pfft
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
September 15 2010 04:40 GMT
#10
I'm still enjoying BW... but I watch mainly SC2 because I'm more interesting/attached to the players, being a good deal of foreigners in the pro scene. SC2 has a ways to go before it becomes the esport that BW is.
Altar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States577 Posts
September 15 2010 05:19 GMT
#11
Lets hope this doesn't happen.
Heavens to Betsy
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
September 15 2010 06:12 GMT
#12
Think about the incentives for a current BW pro in favor of switching vs staying.

Staying in BW:
- get paid a regular salary
- have your housing, food, utilities, and other living expenses also taken care of
- someone cooks for you
- have the opportunity to participate in two different individual leagues with some great prizes attached

Playing SC2:
- have the opportunity to participate in ONE individual league with some great prizes attached (a bit bigger than the BW individual league prizes!)

Yeah...I think it's pretty clear which path is more attractive. It's those who are in danger of losing the benefits of being a BW pro that switch over - players whose contracts are about to expire and aren't likely to be renewed, for example.

BTW, please title your threads more descriptively.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
September 15 2010 06:18 GMT
#13
what i dont like its that you disrespect 11 years of bw history that made sc2 have the impact it has today. Learn more about bw instead of paciently waiting it to die.. dont be stupid and respect a bit more.
in The Kong line forever
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
September 15 2010 06:53 GMT
#14
I am not necessarily excited yet about mass transfer. If after a couple move over and really evolve or dominate the game, then I'll be all excited. So far, while old BW'ers have had good success, it hasnt been mind blowing. Injecting more good players is always good, but not "big anticipation" stuff. Not to mention it adversely affects BW etc

I am keenly interested in the July/Nada/boxer move, and I'll see from the results of that whether I'll getting all hot and bothered over more top pros coming over.
“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
September 15 2010 14:32 GMT
#15
BoxeR + SC2 would be so baller, I mean none of his shortcomings in BW would show in SC2 .
Also Nukes are somewhat viable
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
NukeTheBunnys
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1004 Posts
September 15 2010 15:32 GMT
#16
I really don't understand why so many people on this forum worship Koreans. People act like the reason Koreans are good is because they are Korean, It has nothing to do with the long hours practice every day for several years.

I do believe that Korean culture is more supportive of gamers. They are the equivalent of sports icons and there is a lot more emphasis on practice in Korea then I have seen in the west.

Right now I think that if there was a Flash or Jaedong vs TLO match in SC2 TLO would crush them, because he has put in the practice time. If they did transfer and started practicing SC2 I belive that it would be even for the short term, and in the longterm impossible to predict with out seeing how these particular BW pros transition to SC2.
When you play the game of drones you win or you die.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
September 15 2010 16:09 GMT
#17
On September 16 2010 00:32 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I really don't understand why so many people on this forum worship Koreans. People act like the reason Koreans are good is because they are Korean, It has nothing to do with the long hours practice every day for several years.

I do believe that Korean culture is more supportive of gamers. They are the equivalent of sports icons and there is a lot more emphasis on practice in Korea then I have seen in the west.

Right now I think that if there was a Flash or Jaedong vs TLO match in SC2 TLO would crush them, because he has put in the practice time. If they did transfer and started practicing SC2 I belive that it would be even for the short term, and in the longterm impossible to predict with out seeing how these particular BW pros transition to SC2.



Yea this is a good post. It's again the displacement of responsibility. Let's wait for _someone_ else do it.

Impossible is only impossible until someone does it, then everyone starts doing it and it's in the repertory.

Each day gets better : )
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