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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
September 11 2010 18:54 GMT
#21
On September 12 2010 03:42 Tsagacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 03:17 Xeris wrote:
Your problem is that you only started watching BW in its prime. Ever watch BW games from 2000? Watch Boxer destroy Blackman in WCG with microing 7 marines and 1 medic because the level of play was so bad that his godly micro could win games. People sucked donkey shit at BW until 2005 because people hadn't figured out how to really PLAY the game yet.

SC2 is not even 2 months into release and you're griping about the quality of play. Relax
At least back in 2000 Boxer's play was impressive, even if it was still heavily flawed. Right now it's very hard to be impressed watching sc2 games =/


yes there is.

cattlebruisers, cool force fields, awesome fungal growths, marine micro. there's lots to look at.
I am not good with quotes
Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
September 11 2010 18:55 GMT
#22
well in some ways the game plays itself auto-surround, anyone?

my wife walked by my computer while I was watching GSL and said she liked the graphics better than BW, though
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
September 11 2010 18:59 GMT
#23
wait you are comparing 07 bw to sc2 one month after release? rofl. what a joke, it took bw years and years and years to get to the point where you hopped on board, same with sc2. don't worry, before long you will be drooling over sc2 players just as much as you apparently did over bw players.

annoying blog post imo. i see way too much, waaaah sc2 isn't as good, players aren't as good, blah blah. no shit. give it another decade.
not a hero
DeckOneBell
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States526 Posts
September 11 2010 19:03 GMT
#24
I think to a lot of people, there's nothing you can say that'll convince them that SC2 has a chance at being exciting to watch. Any deviation from BW at all would likely be targeted as "removing skill" or making the game "less interesting" to these particular people. That's sad to say, but I think that's the case. Anyway, I suggest keeping an open mind to SC2, and again, as Xeris already pointed out, ignoring how bad people are right now. I'm personally waiting for people to develop personal styles, like Leta, Bisu, and so many others did in BW. For example, I really like IntoTheRainbow/HopeTorture's banshee play.
Cohedra
Profile Joined July 2010
United States51 Posts
September 11 2010 19:06 GMT
#25
A lot of SC2 games are very disappointing/boring at the moment, but most people just aren't very good. I don't think this is/was much different in BW though - only that the skill ceiling and average skill has risen tons in the 12 years BW has been played.

Few and far between in several of the tournaments have been great games between current top players which give me hope for the future of Sc2(TLO v Tester and Tester v Intotherainbow from KOTB, Socke v Cauthonluck? from MLG, Dimaga v Tarsons from IEM are some of the first series that come to mind).

Now none of that is saying that a couple balance changes or the expansions won't help, but I feel even in its current form it has a lot of potential.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 11 2010 19:07 GMT
#26
with BW, as a fan watching the game you know what to expect. almost nothing surprises you. the paths are almost set from the start of the game.

with SC2 since no one knows what wins quite yet, build orders are all over the place. as a fan you don't know what's going to happen, you don't know when they're going to transition to something else, or when something else would win. so all we can watch for now is cute tricks.
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
September 11 2010 19:42 GMT
#27
Why should a bunch of no-name amateurs (with some exceptions, of course) battling it out in a brand new game be as exciting as professional legends who play clashing in BW, which has been happening for years? Frankly, you'd be crazy to expect it to be.
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PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
September 11 2010 20:36 GMT
#28
"It's only Beta"
"The game just came out"
"It's only been 2 months"
"Well it's the first expansion"
"Wait for the second expansion"
"Dude all 3 games have only been out a little while."
"Brood War had 10 years, the game's only had 5 years to develop."

Anyways, I would say whether this game can be "saved" all depends on Blizzard's first expansion. I think a lot of people have the same doubts and feelings you have, they just have faith in Blizzard to fix them by the time the trilogy is complete.
news
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 21:34:09
September 11 2010 21:32 GMT
#29
On September 12 2010 02:39 mOnion wrote:
I'm the biggest Tasteless fanboy in the history of the world and even I'm disappointed with his SC2 knowledge.

x.x maybe its just cuz I watched him when I knew nothing about BW either, but I feel like he understood that game better.


Actually not a lot better, that's why I've always had a problem with his casts. That's why as soon as Artosis started casting I couldn't enjoy anyone else as much.
"Althought it sounds sexism, and probably is, given the right context, we cannot classify the statement itself as a sexist statement by itself," - evanthebouncy!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 11 2010 21:45 GMT
#30
Every time I watch ogsinca vs sengcunwerra on lost temple my pants get happy. I'm content just from that game alone
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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
September 11 2010 21:48 GMT
#31
if Tester's force fields didn't make you shit a brick iuno wassup
Happily watching @ 5 AM every day okok?

Plus I get to steal builds ~~
@KawaiiRiceLighT
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
September 11 2010 21:59 GMT
#32
On September 12 2010 05:36 PokePill wrote:
"It's only Beta"
"The game just came out"
"It's only been 2 months"
"Well it's the first expansion"
"Wait for the second expansion"
"Dude all 3 games have only been out a little while."
"Brood War had 10 years, the game's only had 5 years to develop."

Anyways, I would say whether this game can be "saved" all depends on Blizzard's first expansion. I think a lot of people have the same doubts and feelings you have, they just have faith in Blizzard to fix them by the time the trilogy is complete.

It doesn't need to be saved yet, because even though the balance might be a bit off, what you're trying to say (people using the time the game is out as an "excuse") is just a valid fact, and it will be valid for quite some time to come.
It's not some kind of excuse like many of you guys perceive it as. You can't expect people to understand a game fully in 3 month or even 6 month. There have been plays already where you could see what is possible in the game, so just try to enjoy the development.
"Language is Freeware, in that it's free to use, but it's not Open Source, so you can't just change things how you like."
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
September 11 2010 22:34 GMT
#33
give sc2 a few years. I don't think sc2 is ready to replace BW yet, but I'm slowly coming round to it being a matter of when, not if.
manner
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 11 2010 22:43 GMT
#34
I think I a can relate to OP's position, and also think Xeris' claims are valid.

But it doesnt change the fact that, as a spectator, sc2 elicits emotions and reactions more akin to warcraft3 than starcraft 2 in terms of fan experience.
ziz
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
203 Posts
September 11 2010 23:17 GMT
#35
On September 12 2010 06:48 KawaiiRice wrote:
if Tester's force fields didn't make you shit a brick iuno wassup
Happily watching @ 5 AM every day okok?

Plus I get to steal builds ~~


(except for inca’s and tester’s force field micro). -> dat's what i said.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8174 Posts
September 11 2010 23:24 GMT
#36
maybe in a year or 2 when everyone doesnt suck at SC2 it might be fun to watch.


until then im not wasting my time with it. keep playing/watching as much bw as possible while it's still around.
Free Palestine
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-11 23:42:19
September 11 2010 23:41 GMT
#37
--- nevermind.
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UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
September 11 2010 23:41 GMT
#38
What? Did you not just watch the OSL final? Where finally Brood war was basically shown to be broken?

Osl final spoilers:
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Jaedong has to cheese every game because flash is unbeatable/imba end game, and that protoss is clearly the underpowered race in BW. This OSL basically proved BW is broken, jeadong and flash play the game near enough to perfect(grated not perfect but near enough) to prove that terran end game is basically imbalanced and that a zergs only chance against a player as good as flash is to stop him 14 cc'ing, plus its broken that a failed 4 pool puts you behind but a failed bunker rush puts you ahead. Also jaedong and flash have proved that the lack of early scouting in sc1 basically makes it a dice roll as you have no idea if the opponent is cheesing and some cheeses/openers beat others flat out, so there's an element of randomness in it.


The only reason that that quality of games arn't as good is because the standard is lower, i mean Idra was a good B-teamer at best at a game he'd been practicing for years, with practice partners who were better than him who could teach him and experienced coaches, in sc2 hes at least a A teamer if not S class atm despite the fact he's newer to sc2 and has no-one good to practice with and no experienced coaches to help coach him. I don't think people realize that it's the quality of players rather than the game itself, but i will say the game ofc is not perfect, but after the 2 expansions the game should be at least as complex as broodwar and as fun to watch.
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 11 2010 23:42 GMT
#39
Yeah, sc1 is a much better spectator sport, and the commentators are much better. That one female commentator got on my nerves so much
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
September 12 2010 00:04 GMT
#40
On September 12 2010 03:54 s.a.y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2010 03:42 Tsagacity wrote:
On September 12 2010 03:17 Xeris wrote:
Your problem is that you only started watching BW in its prime. Ever watch BW games from 2000? Watch Boxer destroy Blackman in WCG with microing 7 marines and 1 medic because the level of play was so bad that his godly micro could win games. People sucked donkey shit at BW until 2005 because people hadn't figured out how to really PLAY the game yet.

SC2 is not even 2 months into release and you're griping about the quality of play. Relax
At least back in 2000 Boxer's play was impressive, even if it was still heavily flawed. Right now it's very hard to be impressed watching sc2 games =/


yes there is.
That doesn't even make sense if you're actually replying to me. In regards to things like force field and fungal, they are significantly less impressive considering how easy it is to do with smart cast.
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
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