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Not everyone has the speed to be a basketball player, not everyone has the smarts to be a chess player, and not everyone has the charisma to be a commentator.
I understand the charm about bringing E Sports and having people listen to you cast great games, but if your genuinely bad at something please do not do it. You cannot practice being more charismatic, you cannot practice being entertaining at the moment, and you cannot practice being outgoing. Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT.
I mean look at Day 9 does he force himself to be funny and be knowledgeable about the game? No he is a charismatic guy that takes the moment and runs with it. Again I just want to stress this not everyone can be an actor, a comedian, or a ballet dancer. If you can't do something DON'T DO IT.
Now I'm not saying don't be a commentator, but please for the love of god if you stumble on your words, are boring as shit, have no charisma, have no knowledge of the game, and can't entertain the audience, PLEASE rethink your choice of being a commentator. And no commentating more and more does not make you a better commentator. As much as you play basketball you won't be Michael Jordan because some people are genuinely better at certain stuff more than others~
 
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Agreed 100%. You obviously can't improve your game knowledge or speaking skills, god bless whoever tries.
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So practice does not make one better at things? Michael Jordan, the poorly used example of "natural talent" was kicked off of his high school basketball team, he certainly displayed no natural talent then. Coincidentally, he only showed true prowess after years of practice, discipline, and hard work. A young Albert Einstein flunked even basic math courses. Unfortunately for him he was never able to improve his initially poor understanding of the subject. I'm also 100% positive that Day[9] was always a charismatic, outgoing person, never a shy, introverted nerd. I'm sure he never put any effort into improving his speaking ability so he could offer clearer analysis during his dailies.
On a non sarcastic note, your post is quite insulting to anybody who has tried to put effort into improving their weaknesses. That's not something that anybody should ever encourage. If it seriously bothers you that much that some casters are not as good as others, don't watch them. I know it would take a lot of effort to give advice to help them improve, but telling them to stop because you don't like them is rather absurd. Boring, entertaining, and charismatic are all opinionated remarks. Don't speak for everybody when you're talking about your own opinions of somebody.
Your last paragraph is pretty hypocritical as it is. You start off with "I'm not saying don't be a commentator," list a bunch of adjectives with a negative connotation, then "ask them to rethink" being a caster. That sounds exactly like you're telling them not to be a commentator to me.
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On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Not everyone has the speed to be a basketball player, not everyone has the smarts to be a chess player, and not everyone has the charisma to be a commentator.
I understand the charm about bringing E Sports and having people listen to you cast great games, but if your genuinely bad at something please do not do it. You cannot practice being more charismatic, you cannot practice being entertaining at the moment, and you cannot practice being outgoing. Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT.
I mean look at Day 9 does he force himself to be funny and be knowledgeable about the game? No he is a charismatic guy that takes the moment and runs with it. Again I just want to stress this not everyone can be an actor, a comedian, or a ballet dancer. If you can't do something DON'T DO IT.
Now I'm not saying don't be a commentator, but please for the love of god if you stumble on your words, are boring as shit, have no charisma, have no knowledge of the game, and can't entertain the audience, PLEASE rethink your choice of being a commentator. And no commentating more and more does not make you a better commentator. As much as you play basketball you won't be Michael Jordan because some people are genuinely better at certain stuff more than others~
Practice can't fix your physical limitations, but StarCraft is not a game of physical limitations. You don't need to be so tall or so big to play the game. StarCraft and commentating is all about practice. Think about the schedule of progamers -what is it centered on? PRACTICE.
Also, you should put some PRACTICE into fixing your grammar -.-;
"If your genuinely bad at something"
"Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT."
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Calgary25996 Posts
On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT.
Completely disagree. If you are bad at something but get enjoyment from it, you should accept criticism and try your best to improve. How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field? Many. And it's not like there's a universally top caster that is above all the new guys.
Edit: If anything, the people who are bad at commentating but improve get more respect from me than the opposite.
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You should watch day9's first dailies; its interesting to see how much he has improved even from that point where he was already quite experienced. Even a person is not so good at commentating and wants to be better that person should commentate even more.
I hate the whole "naturally talented" argument. More often then not people who seem to have that natural talent for something have thousands of hours of practice behind it.
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I have to disagree as well. You can't tell me I'm not going to be more charismatic if I'm sitting on the big stage being streamed live to thousands of viewers casting top level players than if I'm sitting here at home by myself casting my ladder games as I go.
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On September 07 2010 06:50 Azerbaijan wrote:
I hate the whole "naturally talented" argument. More often then not people who seem to have that natural talent for something have thousands of hours of practice behind it.
I agree to the fullest. I was never good at drawing, but always liked it and had respect for the people who could show amazing details. Two years ago, I wanted to learn, and had the motivation. At first, I was VERY bad, like laughable bad. But I thought it was fun, and kept on going. Now I've been drawing for two years, spending COUNTLESS of hours. My sketches look amazing (self-promotion, fuck yeah), but all I hear is about my "natural talent", and "everybody is not born with that talent". Atleast I know that I worked hard for it, but it's still pretty "meh" to hear it all the time and not respect my motivation to improve.
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On September 07 2010 10:12 Noe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:50 Azerbaijan wrote:
I hate the whole "naturally talented" argument. More often then not people who seem to have that natural talent for something have thousands of hours of practice behind it.
I agree to the fullest. I was never good at drawing, but always liked it and had respect for the people who could show amazing details. Two years ago, I wanted to learn, and had the motivation. At first, I was VERY bad, like laughable bad. But I thought it was fun, and kept on going. Now I've been drawing for two years, spending COUNTLESS of hours. My sketches look amazing (self-promotion, fuck yeah), but all I hear is about my "natural talent", and "everybody is not born with that talent". Atleast I know that I worked hard for it, but it's still pretty "meh" to hear it all the time and not respect my motivation to improve.
That's extremely accurate. Though to be honest there really are casters out there that have REALLY annoying voices and they can't really fix that. But i believe anything other than that can certainly be improved upon.
Natural talent is such bullshit, anyone good at anything worked to get where they are in some shape or form. Maybe really good casters didnt cast for the first 18 years of their lives, but i bet they did lots of public speaking, or worked at being the most outspoken person in their group of friends etc etc.
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On September 07 2010 07:00 UniversalSnip wrote:
day9 is not charismatic.
yes he is
also i disagree completely. speech is a skill that can be learned and game knowledge/insight can be gained over time.
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On September 07 2010 06:12 SubtleArt wrote:
Agreed 100%. You obviously can't improve your game knowledge or speaking skills, god bless whoever tries.
Obviously.
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So if you start learning something and suck, you should stop right away then.
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Not everyone has the speed to be a basketball player, not everyone has the smarts to be a chess player, and not everyone has the wit to be a good blogger.
I understand the charm about speaking your opinion and having people listen to you talk, but if your genuinely bad at something please do not do it. You cannot practice being more intelligent, you cannot practice being good with spelling and grammar, and you cannot practice making criticism in a thoughtful way. Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT.
I mean look at FuDDx does he force himself to be funny and be knowledgeable in his blogs? No he is an interesting guy that writes about his experiences and runs with it. Again I just want to stress this not everyone can be an actor, a comedian, or a ballet dancer. If you can't do something DON'T DO IT.
Now I'm not saying don't blog, but please for the love of god if you stumble on your words, are boring as shit, have no charisma, have no knowledge, and can't entertain the audience, PLEASE rethink your choice of being a blogger. And no commentating more and more does not make you a better commentator. As much as you play basketball you won't be Michael Jordan because some people are genuinely better at certain stuff more than others~
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On September 07 2010 10:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:yes he is
He seems cool, I watch his show, but charisma? Uh, no. He's likable.
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On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT. Completely disagree. If you are bad at something but get enjoyment from it, you should accept criticism and try your best to improve. How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field? Many. And it's not like there's a universally top caster that is above all the new guys. Edit: If anything, the people who are bad at commentating but improve get more respect from me than the opposite.
The problem is many of the new commentators don't want to improve their game knowledge (i.e. don't play themselves) and will get really childish and pissy every time they see criticism and probably just ban you from the stream.
People like Day9, Tasteless and Artosis, who actually play the game will always garnish more respect and are extremely rare.
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Calgary25996 Posts
On September 07 2010 12:06 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT. Completely disagree. If you are bad at something but get enjoyment from it, you should accept criticism and try your best to improve. How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field? Many. And it's not like there's a universally top caster that is above all the new guys. Edit: If anything, the people who are bad at commentating but improve get more respect from me than the opposite. The problem is many of the new commentators don't want to improve their game knowledge (i.e. don't play themselves) and will get really childish and pissy every time they see criticism and probably just ban you from the stream. People like Day9, Tasteless and Artosis, who actually play the game will always garnish more respect and are extremely rare.
Right, but that's off-topic.
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United States11076 Posts
Thank you oct for such a nice response. These threads are a dime a dozen.
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On September 07 2010 06:33 Octothorpe wrote:
A young Albert Einstein flunked even basic math courses.
What? Bullshit. The guy was a mathematical god, I find that very unlikely.
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On September 07 2010 12:06 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT. Completely disagree. If you are bad at something but get enjoyment from it, you should accept criticism and try your best to improve. How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field? Many. And it's not like there's a universally top caster that is above all the new guys. Edit: If anything, the people who are bad at commentating but improve get more respect from me than the opposite. The problem is many of the new commentators don't want to improve their game knowledge (i.e. don't play themselves) and will get really childish and pissy every time they see criticism and probably just ban you from the stream. People like Day9, Tasteless and Artosis, who actually play the game will always garnish more respect and are extremely rare.
Care to name any who commentate but don't play themselves?
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Your post is a whole bunch of fuck
Natural talent just allows you to learn to be better at a certain thing faster then someone talentless could. Hard work will ALWAYS get you where you want to go, unless you are physically or mentally handicapped
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If public speaking is a talent then oh god am I screwed in life lol.
It's kind of odd to single out commentating like this. Simply playing RTS games requires way more innate 'talent' than commentating, though obviously that doesn't mean you should stop playing if your thumb tendon flexibility factor is below 0.13431 or something.
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The best got to where they are today because of interest and passion to some extent but largely due to dedication to the craft.
This is true of Tiger Woods, Beethoven, Micheal Jordan, Michael Jackson and any other example you take. They had talent to get into the right craft, their physique was complimentary to the profession they chose.
Micheal Jordan was constantly beaten by his elder brother who never went past 6'1" in height. Jordan was 6'6" so that was the only "gift" that he received. Wonder what would have happened if he had read a fucked up post on quitting when he "didn't know the game enough, didn't have charisma (lol), didn't work to be funny"...
Do you think these things are ingrained from birth? We all start with nothing. It's how we are molded. I haven't seen babies be super charming funny and sophisticated sitting with a cigar. Where did they learn that from? Do you think Will Smith is who he is today because of "natural" talent.
Do you think Jay Leno is "naturally funny" for 30 years on stage? If so you need some serious rethinking to do. Sure day[9] is "better" at the start than most and well 2 other people who are often quoted aren't good enough, but that doesn't mean someone who has a lot of passion shouldn't be given the platform to try.
That stuff about Einstein is true btw. He failed math at a younger grade. Whatever would we have done if he had listened to his teacher who told him he would amount to nothing. Or Sir Richard Branson who was dyslexic. God Forbid he listened to someone who had a post like this..
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On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:
How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field?
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On September 07 2010 12:20 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:33 Octothorpe wrote:
A young Albert Einstein flunked even basic math courses. What? Bullshit. The guy was a mathematical god, I find that very unlikely.
I don't think he flunked while trying iirc, he flunked for being a smartass I think. He hated the German school system at the time.
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On September 07 2010 17:31 Cedstick wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:
How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field?
I lol'd so hard I came a little 
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Hyrule19200 Posts
On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Not everyone has the speed to be a basketball player, not everyone has the smarts to be a chess player, and not everyone has the charisma to be a commentator.
I understand the charm about bringing E Sports and having people listen to you cast great games, but if your genuinely bad at something please do not do it. You cannot practice being more charismatic, you cannot practice being entertaining at the moment, and you cannot practice being outgoing. Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT.
I mean look at Day 9 does he force himself to be funny and be knowledgeable about the game? No he is a charismatic guy that takes the moment and runs with it. Again I just want to stress this not everyone can be an actor, a comedian, or a ballet dancer. If you can't do something DON'T DO IT.
Now I'm not saying don't be a commentator, but please for the love of god if you stumble on your words, are boring as shit, have no charisma, have no knowledge of the game, and can't entertain the audience, PLEASE rethink your choice of being a commentator. And no commentating more and more does not make you a better commentator. As much as you play basketball you won't be Michael Jordan because some people are genuinely better at certain stuff more than others~
I am going to use my 1000th post to call you a tool: You sir, are a tool.
You're bad at posting. You don't have a natural talent for it. No matter how much you practice, you will never write a quality post, ever. Never post again.
Now, take some time to think about the examples you used: actor, comedian, ballet dancer.
Actors typically go to school for years to develop their skill, and they rehearse (aka, practice) constantly
Comedians have schools, but not everyone goes to them. Typically, comedians will use gigs at smaller clubs as a way to practice.
Ballet dancers need to start young. If you don't get in early, you can't practice and train enough to get the flexibility you need. Ballerinas and Ballers (lol? I don't know the male word) typically have to practice for most of their lives to be good.
So, once again: You sir, are a tool. Good day.
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I enjoyed reading your 1000th post tofu, it was oh so delicious.
I do prefer the term 'douchecanoe' to tool however
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Isn't this the same as saying no one should ever play Zerg or Protoss, Terran are the only one with natural talent!! Of course people should still play Zerg/Protoss not only because a Terran only SC2 would be horrible but also people will discover new things and make the other races dominant. Time can change anything.
All the "good" commentators named here are from SC1; meaning they have had a lot of practice. Extra commentators do not hurt and if you don't like them don't tune into their streams; but obviously they are providing entertainment to some people.
If you have a problem with a commentator why not send them a PM saying what your problem is so they can improve. The long term solution is almost always improvement not elimination.
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On September 07 2010 12:25 Creek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 12:06 Sadistx wrote:On September 07 2010 06:41 Chill wrote:On September 07 2010 06:00 OHtRUe wrote:
Your either NATURALLY TALENTED or your NOT. Completely disagree. If you are bad at something but get enjoyment from it, you should accept criticism and try your best to improve. How many people have been less talented than their opponents but used pure determination to reach the top in their field? Many. And it's not like there's a universally top caster that is above all the new guys. Edit: If anything, the people who are bad at commentating but improve get more respect from me than the opposite. The problem is many of the new commentators don't want to improve their game knowledge (i.e. don't play themselves) and will get really childish and pissy every time they see criticism and probably just ban you from the stream. People like Day9, Tasteless and Artosis, who actually play the game will always garnish more respect and are extremely rare. Care to name any who commentate but don't play themselves?
hd has admitted that he only plays "1-2 ladder games per week"
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On September 07 2010 06:12 SubtleArt wrote:
Agreed 100%. You obviously can't improve your game knowledge or speaking skills, god bless whoever tries.
Is this trolling? Public speaking is one of the most eminently trainable skills that exists, and it is something everyone can benefit from. As for impossible to improve game knowledge, well...
No, it must be trolling. Nice attempt though.
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On September 10 2010 06:22 Ghad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2010 06:12 SubtleArt wrote:
Agreed 100%. You obviously can't improve your game knowledge or speaking skills, god bless whoever tries. Is this trolling? Public speaking is one of the most eminently trainable skills that exists, and it is something everyone can benefit from. As for impossible to improve game knowledge, well... No, it must be trolling. Nice attempt though.
It was sarcasm. No worries though, I guess it doesn't get communicated too well over the internet lol
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