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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
Don't say I'm going into school to get a BA in Business. Business and finance are not the same thing. | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:36 shurgen wrote: I am a business major and yes, it is much less intense than engineering. I did not go to class, I did not do work, I barely studied for my exams and I was in the top 10-15% of my class (and this is in a relatively decent program). I guess its fun? I personally have never found school fun in any way. I am going into finance (investment banking). What bank you heading to? You going to be in NYC? | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On August 07 2010 08:51 Empyrean wrote: Gender discourse may be all well and fine, but have you taken any courses in the subject? I ended up withdrawing from auditing a women's studies course because it simply got to ridiculous for me to continue. No matter how honest and unbiased they tried to present it, it simply devolved into a cacophony of ideologically motivated bullshit that I just couldn't put up with any longer. Yeah, I haven't taken any courses devoted solely to the subject; I just like to read feminist and queer theory, and I've encountered it in bits in other classes. And while I enjoy them and subscribe to both with limits, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I'd ask you to expand on that, but maybe not here (PM?). | ||
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
a lot of it can be learned on the job, yes, but if you intend on going into a heavy banking/investment management career post-undergrad then i do think the foundation you're given in a good business school can help quite a bit, as the things you're asked to do are based heavily on economics. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
However to claim that undergraduate business degrees are generally useless is simply wrong, at least in the sense that it's no more useless than most majors out there. Personally, I came from an engineering background and switched to business later (not because I couldn't handle it  ), and while I admit that classes were much easier (mainly because the professors didn't have a superiority complex like many engineering professors do, and the content was more immediately applicable), they were also a lot more useful and actually opened up a lot more opportunities, both in terms of a future career and various other aspects of life. The reason things worked out that way had a lot to do with my particular fields of study, and what I wanted to do, so it's in no way true for every circumstance. But it's proof enough that business degrees are not universally worthless.That said however, it is very easy to go into business and take away absolutely nothing. Many people do just coast through the classes without knowing anything. But if you truly understand what you're doing and take classes that actually have something to do with the kind of work you'd like to do, some of the information is really quite valuable. A lot of my former classmates graduated and got NICE jobs right off the bat, with only an undergraduate's degree. Some of them were making more money than their parents just working a co-op, before even graduating. You can do that with other majors too of course, but that's not what we're discussing here. Anyway, ultimately what matters is what kind of person you are and how you use the information that you've been given. Hopefully you enjoy what you're studying too, because that will make a huge difference. The best advice I can offer is to find a nice balance between interest and usefulness, and if you're lucky enough to get both, then congratulations | ||
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shurgen
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On August 07 2010 07:06 itzme_petey wrote: |I would agree with this statement. However, try to get into the top business programs out there. I think the cutoff is UT McCombs. If you go to a lower ranked program, just make sure you recruit very well. Just curious, are you going into a bulge or a butique? I always wanted to do investment banking, but never had the skills or patience for it. Most likely mid-market, but I am definitely aiming for BB (UBS most likely). It would be nice to get into PE straight from undergrad though ^^. On August 07 2010 09:02 StripedBlueCrow wrote: What bank you heading to? You going to be in NYC? I'm still relatively young, so there is still some time between now and when I would be looking really hard to find that ever important BB internship. | ||
Empyrean
17045 Posts
On August 07 2010 10:29 TheMusiC wrote: actually i kind of disagree with the notion that an undergrad business degree is completely useless - it just depends entirely on what field within business you study. with the exception of accounting and finance (imo), yes the other majors are fairly useless, but the world we live in today needs good accountants (enron made sure of that), and if you go to a top 20 business school they generally put their finance majors through pretty rigorous advanced market/portfolio analysis courses (financial economics basically, which might as well be an entirely different field). a lot of it can be learned on the job, yes, but if you intend on going into a heavy banking/investment management career post-undergrad then i do think the foundation you're given in a good business school can help quite a bit, as the things you're asked to do are based heavily on economics. Then why not major in economics or finance instead of business? I seriously can't think of any advantages an undergraduate business degree would give you over an undergraduate econ/finance degree. On August 07 2010 11:26 itzme_petey wrote: I do not agree with Empyrean's opinion at all. Too extreme, generalized, and filled with hateful bias. I wonder what he does right now. I'm sure he is smart, but does his education match is career success? I'm an undergrad stat major thinking about business school after working for a few years. I plan on applying to all the big consultancies and maybe some insurance companies/accounting firms and perhaps some banks (though I'm not really into finance. Still taking financy classes, though. Taking applied stochastic processes in the grad school next semester). But yeah, I know way too many of my friends who simply couldn't decide what they wanted to do with their life, and just went into "business" without any sort of direction. They then went on to take gen ed classes and learned pretty much nothing in their collegiate career. While I think an MBA is useful (if only for the network, really), an undergrad business degree confers virtually no competitive advantage in anything. If you're going for one of the big ibanks or something, you might as well major in something more quantitative. | ||
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TunaFishyMe
Canada150 Posts
I believe in commerce, unless you are top 10%, you probably wont get a great job. If you are bottom 75%, it will probably be tough to find a job in the area. That's my opinion from what ive seen. | ||
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:34 Empyrean wrote: Then why not major in economics or finance instead of business? I seriously can't think of any advantages an undergraduate business degree would give you over an undergraduate econ/finance degree. because at most schools finance degrees are offered as concentrations within the business school (and even then they won't always offer "finance" as a degree, only a specialization within your BS/BBA). whether or not econ is offered through your business school varies widely depending on what school you're at, i've seen it offered as a major at some business schools while others only offer it through their university's school of liberal arts (separate from the b-school). | ||
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Empyrean
17045 Posts
On August 08 2010 00:12 TheMusiC wrote: because at most schools finance degrees are offered as concentrations within the business school (and even then they won't always offer "finance" as a degree, only a specialization within your BS/BBA). whether or not econ is offered through your business school varies widely depending on what school you're at, i've seen it offered as a major at some business schools while others only offer it through their university's school of liberal arts (separate from the b-school). Well then obviously in this case you'd major in business with a finance concentration. I was talking about choosing between a generic BBA and some sort of quantitative business-related degree. Should've been more clear, my bad. | ||
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
On August 07 2010 07:57 Initial_H.C. wrote: Majoring accounting. Lectures are ridiculously boring but tutorials are useful as hell. 1.) You'll have lots and lots of time but it's up to you whether you use it to study/practice questions or to do whatever you want. 2.) Accounting is not that difficult cause you only use simple math. Not fun and really repetitive. Cases are annoying though. Rewarding because everyone needs accountants, so it is much more practical. 3.) Using my degree to get a professional designation. In my opinion business in general can be boring, unless you get yourself really involved into it. I'm also doing accounting. I'm going to be transferring to a university this fall. Really excited. I was going to do global supply chain business, but my sister is a senior accountant at her company making 90K+ a year. She was like get an accounting degree and you can make as much as me. So i jumped in. Hope it isn't too hard though. Good luck to all business majors. Edit: And whats with all the hate on business majors. Businesses is one of the things that makes the world go around just like any other field of work. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
On August 08 2010 02:35 Empyrean wrote: Well then obviously in this case you'd major in business with a finance concentration. I was talking about choosing between a generic BBA and some sort of quantitative business-related degree. Should've been more clear, my bad. Well based on this last part, then yes, I agree 100% with the uselessness of a BBA w/o a specific concentration. I think what sparks our debates is the large difference in college programs we all went to. | ||
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FiRe)
United States98 Posts
Since I don't want to make another blog Is Bachelor of arts a good? I don't understand what it saying but it says Art - Plan I (Art Education) Art - Plan II (Studio Art) Art - Plan III (Art History) Art - Plan IV (Graphic Design) Art - Plan V (Graphic Design and Marketing) I don't want to be an artistic drawer, but want to do something with graphic design, this is my second choice of my major that I'm interested in lol. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
A bachelor of arts is just a degree - for a lot of stuff, not just 'art'. Might be easier to pick what major you want to be by looking back at what classes you enjoyed throughout highschool. Or what kinds of hobbies you have (several of my friends went into mechanical engineering because they loved working with cars/bikes/motorcycles, that sorta stuff. They constantly toyed around with that stuff). And they're enjoying what they do in their classes. Figure out what you like. | ||
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FiRe)
United States98 Posts
On August 08 2010 04:40 ieatkids5 wrote: Do you like graphic design? Do you like visual editing (photoshop), or doing computer graphics? Do you just like drawing and designing so much you wanna make a career out of it? A bachelor of arts is just a degree - for a lot of stuff, not just 'art'. Might be easier to pick what major you want to be by looking back at what classes you enjoyed throughout highschool. Or what kinds of hobbies you have (several of my friends went into mechanical engineering because they loved working with cars/bikes/motorcycles, that sorta stuff. They constantly toyed around with that stuff). And they're enjoying what they do in their classes. Figure out what you like. yes i've had experiecne and it is quite enjoyable, i was supposed to be 1st major but i thought my college that i wantedto go to (csu san bernardino, i know not a top school but w/e) didnt have it, but i checked it again and there it was. also i wanted to do something with animated studio stuff, not sue which one but i also like film. and what is studio art? | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
If you have faith in your academic abilities and your work habits, choose something harder. | ||
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