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United States98 Posts
1) I know time management is key to college, but do you guys have extra time for yourselves when taking business class, or is it mostly working? 2.) Is it a difficult major, or is it someone that's fun to learn and rewarding? 3.) What is your future when you achieve your degree (specifically speaking)   | ||
micronesia
United States24779 Posts
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FiRe)
United States98 Posts
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IefNaij
Canada291 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
It is much, much, MUCH less intense than any math/science/engineering major. | ||
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shurgen
350 Posts
I did not go to class, I did not do work, I barely studied for my exams and I was in the top 10-15% of my class (and this is in a relatively decent program). I guess its fun? I personally have never found school fun in any way. I am going into finance (investment banking). | ||
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:36 shurgen wrote: I am a business major and yes, it is much less intense than engineering. I did not go to class, I did not do work, I barely studied for my exams and I was in the top 10-15% of my class (and this is in a relatively decent program). I guess its fun? I personally have never found school fun in any way. I am going into finance (investment banking). I would agree with this statement. However, try to get into the top business programs out there. I think the cutoff is UT McCombs. If you go to a lower ranked program, just make sure you recruit very well. Just curious, are you going into a bulge or a butique? I always wanted to do investment banking, but never had the skills or patience for it. On August 07 2010 06:42 Gatsbi wrote: Just be a math major.. you can do anything you want with it. Business as an undergrad is pretty much a joke major, you dont learn anything important. Actually... you can do pretty much anything with a business degree (except technical careers). Whereas, a math degree is too vague. Who recruits specifically for math degrees? Insurance companies look for actuaries, marketing, accounting, or finance. I'm sure a math major can fufill any of those jobs. Yet, from a recruiter perspective, its much more attractive to recruit business or actuary majors. I'm sure tech companies would love math majors, but if you compete vs a comp sci major. Who will get the job? As far as learning important things.. its true, theres very few skills you learn. The most important skill you learn in college is excel usage and o yea... HOW TO INTERVIEW AND GET A JOB. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On August 07 2010 05:59 micronesia wrote: Probably not a bad topic for discussion but PLEASE put more effort into the OP. Do a bit of research and outline it here to start off the discussion! Do you want me to give you time to edit it in or do you want me to close the thread? he's going to be a business major, what do you expect!! to OP: please don't do it. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On August 07 2010 07:06 itzme_petey wrote: I'm sure tech companies would love math majors, but if you compete vs a comp sci major. Who will get the job? I'm double major in cs and math. be afraid of math majors be very afraid! | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
On August 07 2010 07:16 evanthebouncy! wrote: I'm double major in cs and math. be afraid of math majors be very afraid! I think thats the preffered way to major. My friend is both a math major & actuary. Companies love that shit. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11598 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
the work/reading isn't particularly engaging, classes for the most part are dull, and yes you'll have a lot of free time (at least i find myself with a lot of free time). i put in minimal work and skip a fair amount of classes, not because i don't care, but because i find there are very few classes where lecture is actually worth going to -- a lot of professors i find simply read off of powerpoints and provide little outside information, so for the most part i can get by simply by reading the textbook and downloading the powerpoints online. my GPA has fluctuated from 3.4 to 3.65~ over the past 3 semesters though, so if you want a 3.8+ (or that sought-after 4.0) you'll definitely have to put in some hours to learn the material well (and oftentimes that A will be difficult too, as many business classes are graded heavily on presentations and peer evaluations). honestly, if i could go back and re-do my education i'd major in something that i enjoy OR in something where i'd get to learn cool and relevant shit about the world around me (engineering, nat sciences, etc) and work hard, then apply for a top MBA program afterwards. i'm about to enter my 4th year at mccombs and i feel like i haven't really learned anything intellectually stimulating (or anything at all). the only classes that have come close were my advanced finance/financial economics classes, but i think that's a matter of personal preference more than anything else. actually i think this all is a matter of personal preference, as there are a lot of extremely motivated people who major in business and love it, but hey you asked ;p. anyway, unless you can get into one of the top b-schools like penn, nyu, ucberkeley, etc (you can maybe add michigan, texas, and uva to this list as well), i'd recommend you major in something other than business (so you'll actually learn something in college). | ||
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Initial_H.C.
Canada560 Posts
1.) You'll have lots and lots of time but it's up to you whether you use it to study/practice questions or to do whatever you want. 2.) Accounting is not that difficult cause you only use simple math. Not fun and really repetitive. Cases are annoying though. Rewarding because everyone needs accountants, so it is much more practical. 3.) Using my degree to get a professional designation. In my opinion business in general can be boring, unless you get yourself really involved into it. | ||
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Empyrean
17069 Posts
On August 07 2010 05:57 FiRe) wrote: Hey guys I don't have a major yet but I am very interested in business. I just want to ask a few question for some of you business major or someone who knows a lot about business and state what kind of degree your aiming for. 1) I know time management is key to college, but do you guys have extra time for yourselves when taking business class, or is it mostly working? 2.) Is it a difficult major, or is it someone that's fun to learn and rewarding? 3.) What is your future when you achieve your degree (specifically speaking) A "business" major is one of the biggest joke majors at most universities. It's pretty much a glorified communications major that doesn't involve much actual work or studying. If you really want to make it in the business world, you should just be personable, good at networking, and have some sort of useful quantitative expertise - be a math major, or a statistics major, or some sort of engineer, and then go to a business school as a post-bachelor's degree. Seriously. A bachelor in business is worth next to nothing. People who graduate with some generic business-type degree are a dime a dozen, and probably won't be actually contributing much to any companies they might get into. The real prestigious jobs will recruit candidates with actual applied skills (such as computer programming experience, etc.), and can hold their own in a business setting. Pretty much everything you need to know in the business world is picked up on the job, and recruiters will just want to know if you have what it takes to be successful. That being said, who do you think they'd rather take, out of two personable candidates, one of whom majored in "market studies" and one of whom majored in statistics? Hell, banks and consultancies will even recruit engineers who've shown an interest in the business world, because they know they have the dedication and quantitative skills to succeed in a challenging market. Business classes are absolute jokes, and they're neither fun to learn nor rewarding. At most, you'll get classes on accounting and the very basics of financial math (I'm talking ABSOLUTE BASICS HERE). You'll also get some feel-good pop-business drivel that you'll quite readily figure is bullshit. If you're looking for a business job, take courses that prove you're a hard-working, intellectually rigorous individual who's up for a challenge. Instead of taking bullshit like learning how to use Microsoft Excel, take classes like econometrics. Or anything else, really. Even rhetoric courses or molecular biology mean more to industry recruiters than "business" classes (not talking about things such as how derivative markets work...those are econ classes, not business classes). If you major in generic "business" out of any but the top schools (and many top schools WILL make you take rigorous classes, so you might as well major in finance or something), you probably won't end up where you might envision. Seriously. Undergraduate business is about as useful as a women's studies degree. EDIT: Or you could just have some good connections. It doesn't matter what you major in then. But if you're looking to break into banking/consulting/accounting/pretty much anything "businessy," then I would highly recommend not being an undergraduate business major. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Coming from a business major who does pre-med, and whose friends are all engineers, business is like a fake major =P It is much, much, MUCH less intense than any math/science/engineering major. This is why you do a dual math major! And an econ minor. Or should it be Asiatic studies or something like that? Anyway yeah business doesn't seem to take a lot of time, class-wise. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On August 07 2010 07:48 TheMusiC wrote: i put in minimal work and skip a fair amount of classes, not because i don't care, but because i find there are very few classes where lecture is actually worth going to -- a lot of professors i find simply read off of powerpoints and provide little outside information, so for the most part i can get by simply by reading the textbook and downloading the powerpoints online. my GPA has fluctuated from 3.4 to 3.65~ over the past 3 semesters though, so if you want a 3.8+ (or that sought-after 4.0) you'll definitely have to put in some hours to learn the material well (and oftentimes that A will be difficult too, as many business classes are graded heavily on presentations and peer evaluations). honestly, if i could go back and re-do my education i'd major in something that i enjoy OR in something where i'd get to learn cool and relevant shit about the world around me (engineering, nat sciences, etc) and work hard, then apply for a top MBA program afterwards. This rings true. What follows might not be entirely correct, but if so I'd be happy to hear how it's wrong. My two cents on the topic comes from a course I took last year that was crosslisted with the business school at my University. The class was about presentations and a third year course, and with a 50/50 divide between students from the two programs, you could see the divide. Business schools seem to give out presentation assignments like hotcakes, meaning as an otherwise drawn-in pseud weenie who is more interested in talking about the elements of rhetoric - logos, pathos, ethos, that sort of thing, which were horribly simplified by my prof - I could see clearly the divide in the quality of presentations, mostly demarcated by professionalism, decorum, and rhythm. My program more or less didn't know what we were doing (having given three presentations in the course of our degrees, if that); the business students giving stupefying amounts in their undergrad. One of the business students whom I got to know quite well, and who was on the verge of graduating, outlined how bland his program has been for him. I had no idea what he had in mind for his future. The course stands as a low point in my University career - both in terms of grade and what I drew from the course. In the current business climate - this comes from my step-sister who works in New York, is well-versed in this sort of thing, and is happily and successfully employed - an undergrad alone doesn't do that much for you. Most employers in that field are looking for a combination of education (undergrad + graduate school) and experience, meaning that coming out of a four-year degree without a combination of these things is going to put you in an uphill-battle situation. (For business students, free time could be well spent doing internships.) I would advise you to do a double-major/major-minor in something interesting to you and commercially viable for your undergrad (e.g. my step-sis did Econ/French). If you have an eye for business school, consider doing an MBA at a stronger institution than where you did your undergrad. Oh and have fun and that kinda stuff. Edit: Empyrean's post above is really good, although why you gotta disparage Women's Studies like that? :'( | ||
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Empyrean
17069 Posts
 EDIT: Just to make it clear, I just want to reiterate HOW USELESS AN UNDERGRAD BUSINESS DEGREE IS. EDIT2: Actually, I should probably ask you what you want your college degree to do for you, and what you plan to do five-ten years after you graduate. Maybe business IS the right choice after all (highly doubt it). | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
The career-driven side of my degree might as well drop its pretension and call itself "Communications," but I golly well hope it doesn't because that pretension might allow me to parlay the thing into something else rather than the dumb-founded I-got-a-BA-in-Communications-and-I-don't-know-what-to-do-with-it jobless existential crisis that seems really common these days. Edit: On topic this time!: On August 07 2010 08:38 Empyrean wrote: Actually, I should probably ask you what you want your college degree to do for you, and what you plan to do five-ten years after you graduate. Maybe business IS the right choice after all (highly doubt it). Parallel question: is there anything you can do with a business degree that you can't do with another degree? | ||
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Empyrean
17069 Posts
On August 07 2010 08:45 jon arbuckle wrote: I'm not a women's studies major for the record; I just really like gender studies discourse. The career-driven side of my degree might as well drop its pretension and call itself "Communications," but I golly well hope it doesn't because that pretension might allow me to parlay the thing into something else rather than the dumb-founded I-got-a-BA-in-Communications-and-I-don't-know-what-to-do-with-it jobless existential crisis that seems really common these days. Gender discourse may be all well and fine, but have you taken any courses in the subject? I ended up withdrawing from auditing a women's studies course because it simply got to ridiculous for me to continue. No matter how honest and unbiased they tried to present it, it simply devolved into a cacophony of ideologically motivated bullshit that I just couldn't put up with any longer. And yeah, I don't know what I want to do when I graduate either.  EDIT: Parallel question: is there anything you can do with a business degree that you can't do with another degree? You can party a lot more. | ||
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