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Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
August 01 2010 19:46 GMT
#21
there were like 3 random player, but they rolled protoss
It is what it is...
Blixy213
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States360 Posts
August 01 2010 19:59 GMT
#22
On August 02 2010 03:57 Polar_Nada wrote:
would prefer ZvT mech? lol

I agree, I play Protoss (Don't stop reading now!) and I get cheesed by Terran A LOT, also Mech is a real pain to deal with.

I've played about 80% Terran myself, I wouldn't mind at all playing more Protoss games, Zerg would be nice too.
#1 sKyHigh and MorroW fan. "Should have stayed in the bush, bush reaper."
glamglen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States33 Posts
August 01 2010 20:00 GMT
#23
As Protoss easily 60-70 of my 100 ladder games were pvp.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
August 01 2010 20:07 GMT
#24
On August 02 2010 05:00 glamglen wrote:
As Protoss easily 60-70 of my 100 ladder games were pvp.

this is what i imagined. lol
It is what it is...
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
August 01 2010 20:13 GMT
#25
In one of my 3v3 games the opponent all went Protoss and my team had one of each race. The other team all went 4 gate (as we predicted) and were able to take out my main hatch but my natural and tech was saved by my team... then we turtled for a little bit and pushed out with roaches and a marauder marine thor combo while our Protoss player massed zealots and stalkers. We proceeded to destroy the other team in a quick sweep of vengeance and furor.

This was easily the most fulfilling game I've ever played. I hate people that all in.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 01 2010 20:51 GMT
#26
I've noticed a lack of zergs at the lower levels.

Also, I've noticed that even in Bronze, I always get placed against Plat players. Still don't know why. I rarely play other Bronzes.
God Bless
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
August 01 2010 20:53 GMT
#27
Dude, you should be happy. PVZ is probably the most balanced matchup in the game right now. At least u aint playin terrans all the time or boring baneling zvz all the time
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
August 01 2010 21:05 GMT
#28
I played 9 out of 10 first games at CRAP station.........
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
August 01 2010 21:11 GMT
#29
On August 02 2010 05:53 Tazza wrote:
Dude, you should be happy. PVZ is probably the most balanced matchup in the game right now. At least u aint playin terrans all the time or boring baneling zvz all the time

i dont know how balanced 2 gate into void rays on steppes of war is...
It is what it is...
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 21:21:46
August 01 2010 21:17 GMT
#30
Assuming your ladder name is the same as your tl name, I was the zerg you played. I went roaches and tried to tech to mutas quickly but you got a spire 30 seconds earlier and I lost easily. In the chat you were talking about facing cheesy protosses. It was metalopolis and we were the positions close by air. My bnet name is Legion.

But yes I agree, it feels like the ladder consists mostly of deflecting 4 warpgate all day with intermittent zvts vs mech that go 25 minutes minimum. It's kinda strange that few protosses do 3 warpgate->expo->macro up gateway unit+colossus army as quickly as possible. That build is way more challenging than 4-warpgate to beat. The tester 2 gate zealot into fast expo is also really underused and powerful.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
August 01 2010 21:36 GMT
#31
On August 02 2010 06:17 Drowsy wrote:
Assuming your ladder name is the same as your tl name, I was the zerg you played. I went roaches and tried to tech to mutas quickly but you got a spire 30 seconds earlier and I lost easily. In the chat you were talking about facing cheesy protosses. It was metalopolis and we were the positions close by air. My bnet name is Legion.

But yes I agree, it feels like the ladder consists mostly of deflecting 4 warpgate all day with intermittent zvts vs mech that go 25 minutes minimum. It's kinda strange that few protosses do 3 warpgate->expo->macro up gateway unit+colossus army as quickly as possible. That build is way more challenging than 4-warpgate to beat. The tester 2 gate zealot into fast expo is also really underused and powerful.


hahaha! how can i forget the 1 out of 3 zergs i played. but yea i agree with you. I think i just need to tough it out and learn how to defend anything with 14 pool 15 hatch.
It is what it is...
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 01 2010 21:55 GMT
#32
On August 02 2010 06:36 Dance. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:17 Drowsy wrote:
Assuming your ladder name is the same as your tl name, I was the zerg you played. I went roaches and tried to tech to mutas quickly but you got a spire 30 seconds earlier and I lost easily. In the chat you were talking about facing cheesy protosses. It was metalopolis and we were the positions close by air. My bnet name is Legion.

But yes I agree, it feels like the ladder consists mostly of deflecting 4 warpgate all day with intermittent zvts vs mech that go 25 minutes minimum. It's kinda strange that few protosses do 3 warpgate->expo->macro up gateway unit+colossus army as quickly as possible. That build is way more challenging than 4-warpgate to beat. The tester 2 gate zealot into fast expo is also really underused and powerful.


hahaha! how can i forget the 1 out of 3 zergs i played. but yea i agree with you. I think i just need to tough it out and learn how to defend anything with 14 pool 15 hatch.


I stopped 14 pool 15 hatching against any race. Now I just 15 gas 15pool and it works perfectly fine. Idra was using it in some games in kotb tournament. I highly highly recommend it. Spoiler for which games I mention

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe every single game in the finals vs tester he used a gas pool build.
TwilightStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States649 Posts
August 01 2010 22:07 GMT
#33
On August 02 2010 03:21 Dance. wrote:
Endless fighting vs 2gate, 4 warp gate, fast void rays, mass phoenix



Whoa whoa whoa... wait... you are mad about 2 gate? What else are we supposed to do? ~_~
I can understand why you are mad about fast voids, or mass phoenix, but 2 gate and 4 warp gate...? It's hard to understand why you are mad about that,..
(5)Twilight Star.scx --------- AdmiralHoth: There was one week when I didn't shave for a month.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
August 01 2010 22:40 GMT
#34
On August 02 2010 06:55 kNyTTyM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:36 Dance. wrote:
On August 02 2010 06:17 Drowsy wrote:
Assuming your ladder name is the same as your tl name, I was the zerg you played. I went roaches and tried to tech to mutas quickly but you got a spire 30 seconds earlier and I lost easily. In the chat you were talking about facing cheesy protosses. It was metalopolis and we were the positions close by air. My bnet name is Legion.

But yes I agree, it feels like the ladder consists mostly of deflecting 4 warpgate all day with intermittent zvts vs mech that go 25 minutes minimum. It's kinda strange that few protosses do 3 warpgate->expo->macro up gateway unit+colossus army as quickly as possible. That build is way more challenging than 4-warpgate to beat. The tester 2 gate zealot into fast expo is also really underused and powerful.


hahaha! how can i forget the 1 out of 3 zergs i played. but yea i agree with you. I think i just need to tough it out and learn how to defend anything with 14 pool 15 hatch.


I stopped 14 pool 15 hatching against any race. Now I just 15 gas 15pool and it works perfectly fine. Idra was using it in some games in kotb tournament. I highly highly recommend it. Spoiler for which games I mention

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe every single game in the finals vs tester he used a gas pool build.

I too used that build all day yesterday. It has it's pros and cons. It pretty much guarantee you an advantage against 2 gate, ramp cheese, hatch block, or some sort of very early terran aggro, but it results in a much weaker economy and a delayed tech. I would never want to be in a situation where I'd opened with that build instead of 14 pool 15 hatch vs terran mech or vs a defensive macro toss. Overall I think it's much better against protoss than it is against terran.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 23:21:21
August 01 2010 23:21 GMT
#35
I'm starting to like cheese. All-ins are getting easy for me to fend off with scouting and a safe build. It's turtle terrans that sit until they get a 200/200 army that scare me.
Dance.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States389 Posts
August 02 2010 01:57 GMT
#36
On August 02 2010 07:07 TwilightStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 03:21 Dance. wrote:
Endless fighting vs 2gate, 4 warp gate, fast void rays, mass phoenix



Whoa whoa whoa... wait... you are mad about 2 gate? What else are we supposed to do? ~_~
I can understand why you are mad about fast voids, or mass phoenix, but 2 gate and 4 warp gate...? It's hard to understand why you are mad about that,..

not really mad, just super annoyed that the only games i can play in ladder is vs protoss. doesnt matter what build they do, starts to get boring
It is what it is...
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 02 2010 03:11 GMT
#37
On August 02 2010 03:21 Dance. wrote:
WTF is this shit???? Now usually PvZ isn't that bad if it wasn't for all the fucking cheese these guys do. HOLY SHIT! Endless fighting vs 2gate, 4 warp gate, fast void rays, mass phoenix, pyloning my ramp like fucking idra vs tester.


4 of the 5 builds u listed aren't cheese...

gj losing to standard protoss shit and being so mad about it u call it cheese
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