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Why is Incontrol still in Platinum?
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Psyonic_Reaver
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http://www.justin.tv/thormak/b/267504379 Please watch the whole thing before giving your opinions! | ||
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n.DieJokes
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Laerties
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XazXio
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Beyonder
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5:50 I believe there is a built-in system that keeps you from diamond for 6 months once you play such a game :x | ||
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mdb
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boesthius
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ReketSomething
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Graham
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Poor Incontrol LOL. | ||
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otsukaresama
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On July 29 2010 17:17 mdb wrote: I guess this is proof that skill from SC1 pass over to SC2. No, he had to play a lot of games in the beta. Some skills do transfer over, but it's also true if you play any other RTS. It's easy to adjust to SC2 anyway. | ||
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endy
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JuCo
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On July 29 2010 17:20 Graham wrote: Hahaha this was so awesome to listen too. Poor Incontrol LOL. He's been making me laugh since I started watchin the stream. | ||
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stalife
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DashFlow
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 But i still dont understand why he isnt in diamond. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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His record was like 19-10 or something when I moved up. | ||
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mdb
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On July 29 2010 18:00 CharlieMurphy wrote: Well I was stuck in his division as well until I played my 39th game. It is possible that the AMM is matching him up with only weaker or unknown players more than normal and it hasn't decided to move him up based on not enough information. His record was like 19-10 or something when I moved up. Nah, its just that you are obviously the better player. | ||
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iNcontroL
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On July 29 2010 18:00 CharlieMurphy wrote: Well I was stuck in his division as well until I played my 39th game. It is possible that the AMM is matching him up with only weaker or unknown players more than normal and it hasn't decided to move him up based on not enough information. His record was like 19-10 or something when I moved up. My record is 33-7 atm o-O? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On July 29 2010 18:03 mdb wrote: Nah, its just that you are obviously the better player. Well I always ask people what their ranks are when the game starts, and I check after the games as well. And I noticed when I was stuck in the division that I was playing mostly shittier people for a while. Then I started playing only diamonds and doing better than 50% so it had enough sample size to move me up. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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yea, well I moved up earlier today and my power went out for a few hours. Didn't keep track of your record very well. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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CharlieMurphy
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iNcontroL
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On July 29 2010 18:06 CharlieMurphy wrote: yea, well I moved up earlier today and my power went out for a few hours. Didn't keep track of your record very well. What can be learned here charlie? Don't talk about things when you have 0 idea right? I think the premise for your post was my record "wasn't that good" or something but that again was something you'd have to have made up or have a really high standard for. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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Anyways, I think I was in 6th plat when I got boosted up to 34th plat. So it really doesn't matter what your metal rank is or how many fakey elo points you have. As long as it's matching you up with diamond players you're fine. And when you do finally advance a metal league, then you will be transported to the top 20 places or so. | ||
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Deyster
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PS: PsyonicReaver's stream is awesome :D | ||
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IdrA
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Masamune
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Oh I love Idra too <3 and I posted after him ^_^ | ||
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MarF
Canada156 Posts
On July 29 2010 19:17 IdrA wrote: you have to go on a losing streak and then win one, you'll get promoted after the win That is actually what happened to me  I was in incontrol's ladder 2 and he even beat me twice | ||
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TonyL2
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You'll get there Incontrol! | ||
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iNcontroL
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I'm there! Woot | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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So like 5-0 gets you into gold or plat, where you'd play other people who have 4-1/5-0 records. From there you are matched up with mostly plat people, after a while when the diamond rank is created then you need to play like 10 diamond people to move up. Since the diamond rank was new, there were less people to play. So you probably just got unlucky with searches, where the game wanted to match you with diamonds, but they were all taken. And in this case, it doesn't want you to wait so it just puts you up against the best platinums. Which doesn't do anything for you but boost your fakey elo and record. | ||
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SubtleArt
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On July 29 2010 17:24 otsukaresama wrote: No, he had to play a lot of games in the beta. Some skills do transfer over, but it's also true if you play any other RTS. It's easy to adjust to SC2 anyway. I think he was joking by hinting that inc sucked in sc1 as well? | ||
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The Curse Of The Platinum League. | ||
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GreatFall
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They want to show him that he in indeed outofContRoL! by making him suffer in plat league! But seriously, I think it has to be over 9000! | ||
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GreatFall
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On July 29 2010 19:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Alright I'm there! WootOh good! Did you have to get anywhere close to 9000? hehe. Oh and congrats on diamond :D | ||
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v3chr0
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On July 30 2010 02:36 JoshSuth wrote: Excellent OP, really glad I listened. Much love to EG and the GosuCoaching guys. Lol, indeed, that was well worth the time, it was pretty hilarious InControls impressions of the Blizzard team/DB. On July 29 2010 19:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Alright I'm there! WootCongrats man :D | ||
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CauthonLuck
United States93 Posts
On July 30 2010 02:32 zTz wrote: Blizzard already commented on the ladder system and how it places in there community chat ('the transcript is somewhere on TL), it takes about 35'games to know where you belong Nope, the ladder system has some silly built in minimum loss requirement before it will evaluate you for division switches. It was the same way in beta, I remember being like 50-4 and stuck in platinum, then losing 4 out of 5 games and being promoted to diamond. I thought I was just bugged at first, but I saw multiple friends who would go to 30-2 or some such and not get promoted, while others would get bumped up with 15-9 records. Seems like they left it in for release since some players like Idra/Moonglade aren't being promoted with 30+ wins against 0/1 losses. From what I can tell, the magic arbitrary number is 8 losses, I guarantee you'll be moved up within a few games of your next loss, since you have 7. | ||
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Chriamon
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On July 29 2010 19:17 IdrA wrote: you have to go on a losing streak and then win one, you'll get promoted after the win This was also my experience. I played against a toss who was clearly better than me, and then I lost the next game to a cheese in ZvZ, and then was matched against the same toss again and lost (it was close mind you). Then it gave me another ZvZ and the guy hilariously 14 hatched and was subsequently destroyed by lings and then I was promoted to Diamond. | ||
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Craton
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On July 29 2010 17:25 endy wrote: so, cant you really choose your division ? is he sentenced to freewin until the next reset ? You don't actually get stuck playing people in your division. Last phase of beta I got stuck in Silver (2-3 or 3-2 due to d/cs and whatnot), but I played almost all high plat and diamond until it eventually promoted me. | ||
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deo1
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However, I was looking at the ladder last night and IdrA was #1 in his Platinum division with a record of 27-1. Yes. 27 wins and 1 loss. The only loss was clearly a dropped game (just a few seconds long) to LzGaMeR (I see that others have observed this as well). I really can't imagine what they use to determine Diamond. Elo. APM. # of games played. High income/low resources unused. # of drones made lol. the list could go on. Though i think whoever said there is a minimum loss requirement is probably correct. Any and all of these would be better by players like Incontrol and IdrA. Again, I have no idea what they use to determine this. That video was hilarious btw. | ||
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Ursadon-n-Pals
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On July 29 2010 19:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Alright I'm there! WootLOL. Blizzard was scared that their true intentions were revealed. | ||
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GenesisX
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On July 30 2010 02:24 bellaisa wrote: Idra is like 27-1 with 700 points and hes still in Platinum. lolz. Pics? | ||
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Ftrunkz
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![[image loading]](http://i32.tinypic.com/2e3r6fm.jpg) 37-2, no diamond | ||
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ArnO-
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He is 37-2 or something like that now. I was right behind him then I got promoted so I cant take a pic anymore. I think he had 700 something points. | ||
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Entropic
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On July 30 2010 14:27 Malgrif wrote: first, people complain about how it's too easy to get placed in diamond. now people complain about how it's impossible to advance. lololol Pretty sure it's like that with everything. Beginning of beta, mech is not viable, later in beta mech is op. | ||
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fly.stat
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Sc1pio
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Deleted User 47542
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On July 30 2010 14:27 Malgrif wrote: first, people complain about how it's too easy to get placed in diamond. now people complain about how it's impossible to advance. lololol Uhmm.. the only people I get placed against are DIAMOND people after my 7th win or so. Now I have 500+ points in plat with over a 75% rin rate, playing DIAMOND people and I'm still stuck in plat. Oh and incontrol I just beat you on the ladder with imba ghosts ^_^ and got raped one game later! | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On July 30 2010 16:48 superbabosheki wrote: Uhmm.. the only people I get placed against are DIAMOND people after my 7th win or so. Now I have 500+ points in plat with over a 75% rin rate, playing DIAMOND people and I'm still stuck in plat. Oh and incontrol I just beat you on the ladder with imba ghosts ^_^ and got raped one game later! yeah, alright platy | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On July 30 2010 14:52 Entropic wrote: Pretty sure it's like that with everything. Beginning of beta, mech is not viable, later in beta mech is op. To be fair, mech was significantly buffed during beta. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On July 30 2010 04:46 deo1 wrote: I'm confused by how they determine the rankings as well. I placed into Gold but after a couple of days (with a record of about 15-10) I moved straight to Diamond--skipped Plat all together. However, I was looking at the ladder last night and IdrA was #1 in his Platinum division with a record of 27-1. Yes. 27 wins and 1 loss. The only loss was clearly a dropped game (just a few seconds long) to LzGaMeR (I see that others have observed this as well). I really can't imagine what they use to determine Diamond. Elo. APM. # of games played. High income/low resources unused. # of drones made lol. the list could go on. Though i think whoever said there is a minimum loss requirement is probably correct. Any and all of these would be better by players like Incontrol and IdrA. Again, I have no idea what they use to determine this. That video was hilarious btw. more likely thrown game imo | ||
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zTz
United States476 Posts
On July 30 2010 02:46 CauthonLuck wrote: Nope, the ladder system has some silly built in minimum loss requirement before it will evaluate you for division switches. It was the same way in beta, I remember being like 50-4 and stuck in platinum, then losing 4 out of 5 games and being promoted to diamond. I thought I was just bugged at first, but I saw multiple friends who would go to 30-2 or some such and not get promoted, while others would get bumped up with 15-9 records. Seems like they left it in for release since some players like Idra/Moonglade aren't being promoted with 30+ wins against 0/1 losses. From what I can tell, the magic arbitrary number is 8 losses, I guarantee you'll be moved up within a few games of your next loss, since you have 7. Ahh looks like your right, thanks for clarifying. I recall being stuck in a subdivision and after a few consecutive losses being promoted | ||
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IdrA
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On July 30 2010 02:46 CauthonLuck wrote: Nope, the ladder system has some silly built in minimum loss requirement before it will evaluate you for division switches. It was the same way in beta, I remember being like 50-4 and stuck in platinum, then losing 4 out of 5 games and being promoted to diamond. I thought I was just bugged at first, but I saw multiple friends who would go to 30-2 or some such and not get promoted, while others would get bumped up with 15-9 records. Seems like they left it in for release since some players like Idra/Moonglade aren't being promoted with 30+ wins against 0/1 losses. From what I can tell, the magic arbitrary number is 8 losses, I guarantee you'll be moved up within a few games of your next loss, since you have 7. 7 did it for me, and theres a couple other people in diamond with 7 losses. | ||
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rapture
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Pandain
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jk jk dont kill me :O | ||
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TimmyMac
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On July 29 2010 18:09 {88}iNcontroL wrote: What can be learned here charlie? Don't talk about things when you have 0 idea right? I think the premise for your post was my record "wasn't that good" or something but that again was something you'd have to have made up or have a really high standard for. Well judging from an 8-second read of his post, the premise was that the matchmaker didn't have enough information of your matches against good players, and nothing about your record. | ||
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AnodyneSea
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On July 31 2010 01:54 rapture wrote: BratOk is 38-7 848 in my division... StrifeCro is the same hes 38-9 and 855 and still in plat o.O | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 31 2010 08:54 TimmyMac wrote: Well judging from an 8-second read of his post, the premise was that the matchmaker didn't have enough information of your matches against good players, and nothing about your record. Give it 16 seconds on your second try plz. You might catch the 3rd line in his post. It's the one after the space. | ||
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Malgrif
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On August 01 2010 12:21 OreoBoi wrote: The system is really weird, how can Incontrol still be in platinum when there are idiot players that can't defend my first void ray in diamond. what makes you think he can? =D | ||
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Splunge
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this guy(Ownage) in my platinum division has 1096 wit 49 - 0 wins Oo | ||
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PredY
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On August 02 2010 18:51 Devanthar wrote: with how much points you moved up incontrol? this guy(Ownage) in my platinum division has 1096 wit 49 - 0 wins Oo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=140404 it's a dischack account i've got over 900pts and still in plat btw | ||
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