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Lots of people from many different countries here, so I thought I'd ask 
I got this feeling my own dear country, Europe in general, are going down the drain. I want to flee this decadent hive of scum and idiocy. Where to?
Requirements: A civilized place, which does not wage war lightly, where not everyone and everything is in debt. Somewhere where people anspire to be something more than a consuming piece of lard watching television.
Singapore perhaps?
   
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Why? Are you worried about the Greece situation?
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New Zealand. Horrible internet, but temperate climate (don't have to switch), English language and overall a good place to live.
I don't know why would you like to leave the Old Continent though. We rule!
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We should have an internet upgrade by 2014 or something.
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I also expected SNSD...
I just moved back to Singapore from Japan and although I'm singaporean, I'm not gonna lie.. I prefer living in Japan. new zealand sounds very nice though.
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That is not Europe in general. In northern parts of scandinavia there are places where the landscape is beatiful, people are happy, towns are small and you can do something else than watch tv.
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On July 13 2010 23:34 Piste wrote: That is not Europe in general. In northern parts of scandinavia there are places where the landscape is beatiful, people are happy, towns are small and you can do something else than watch tv.
This. I might just be really outdated but I'm atleast oblivous to this so called crisis or w/e.
Scandinavia representing!
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Its amusing that you bring this up. I live in America, and I know a lot of people that are getting quite sure that we're going down the drain. For example, we know people in Phoenix who are stockpiling large quantities of guns and ammo to fight the police 'when they go and implement martial law'. Also I know people in Colorado who moved up deep into the mountains and have converted mostly self-sufficient living there.
Just interesting to see that a lot of people are thinking the same thing no matter what country they live in.
Also, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Singapore. Extremely clean and modern, except they don't speak English D:
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I'm fairly sure everyone here knows that Australia is the best country. Yeah.
also was expecting SNSD. <3 gtr for run devil run link hadn't seen it in ages :O
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Come up here! We got the good internets and nordic beauties. Oh and our countries aren't going down the drain either, unless you count Iceland as one of us.
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How would you get a residency in Singapore?
Im kinda getting sick of the Swedish lifestyle and I dream of one day moving away. Good thing my mother is from Singapore so i can easily get a permenant residence over there. Perhaps after college i will move to Singapore. Last time I was there was 5 years ago, can any Singaporians tell me how life is over there atm?
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Come to Canada my friend! The climate won't surprise you, we are a peace loving nation and our economy is on the up and up. Did I mention the abundance of natural resources? Last month 90 k jobs where created in this country of 30 millions inhabitants... We didn't even feel the economic recession here.
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On July 13 2010 23:46 Gogleion wrote: Its amusing that you bring this up. I live in America, and I know a lot of people that are getting quite sure that we're going down the drain. For example, we know people in Phoenix who are stockpiling large quantities of guns and ammo to fight the police 'when they go and implement martial law'. Also I know people in Colorado who moved up deep into the mountains and have converted mostly self-sufficient living there.
Just interesting to see that a lot of people are thinking the same thing no matter what country they live in.
Also, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Singapore. Extremely clean and modern, except they don't speak English D:
Oh yes they do speak english in Singapore and they have been for a very long time.
English is the primary language there. My mother has an excellent understanding of the english language and she has only lived there for about 20 years (born).
There are a lot of Malaysians and Chinese, Indian etc. But everyone can more or less speak english
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Singapore PR here! but Singapore here for me its good. If you have a good degree and can speak English, you can get good wages ($US2k/mnth), its pretty safe due to its low crime rate, downside is that cost of living is really high if you aren't a PR, nearly double. And tbh, Singapore's pretty boring, since its such a small country.
South Korea and Japan are other countries you can consider if you got a basic command of Japanese or Korean. The culture there is phenomenal and you won't find yourself without a thing to do, but bad side is that cost of living is high as well, everything there is expensive.
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Not the Greece thing, but just the way things are being run in general. Does sound like a load of old man's ramblings, but sometimes it seems it's the last days of Rome in here It's crowded and un-free here, and unless you're rich you can only live in densely populated, polluted stretches of concrete TT
madnessman: Japan seems rather crowded to me, and I hear the language is hard to master. Tell me something about singapore if you please 
Scandinavia seems good too, it's only... I'm an absolute nightmare on skis :p But perhaps that can be mended. How tough are you on immigrants these days? ^^ I'll look into it
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On July 13 2010 23:46 Gogleion wrote: Its amusing that you bring this up. I live in America, and I know a lot of people that are getting quite sure that we're going down the drain. For example, we know people in Phoenix who are stockpiling large quantities of guns and ammo to fight the police 'when they go and implement martial law'. Also I know people in Colorado who moved up deep into the mountains and have converted mostly self-sufficient living there.
Just interesting to see that a lot of people are thinking the same thing no matter what country they live in.
Also, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Singapore. Extremely clean and modern, except they don't speak English D:
No English? What? What do they speak there then? :p Guess that goes to show what I know of the world 
Concerning the feeling of pessimism, I don't think armageddon is at hand, or clan wars, drug wars or race riots ot whatever, I just don't like the general mean-spiritedness, if that's a word.
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On July 13 2010 23:53 Lexpar wrote: Come to Canada my friend! The climate won't surprise you, we are a peace loving nation and our economy is on the up and up. Did I mention the abundance of natural resources? Last month 90 k jobs where created in this country of 30 millions inhabitants... We didn't even feel the economic recession here.
Canada sounds good too!
Thank you everyone for giving me some hope
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On July 14 2010 00:09 nepeta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2010 23:53 Lexpar wrote: Come to Canada my friend! The climate won't surprise you, we are a peace loving nation and our economy is on the up and up. Did I mention the abundance of natural resources? Last month 90 k jobs where created in this country of 30 millions inhabitants... We didn't even feel the economic recession here.
Canada sounds good too! Thank you everyone for giving me some hope  Canada! If anything for the beer and the hockey atmosphere =)
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Is this because the Netherlands didn't win the World Cup?
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I'm not moving to Spain, if that's what you're getting at ^^ It's way too hot and it's got the seperatist fever all over.
And I don't really care much about football anyway :p
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On July 14 2010 00:13 Tensai176 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 00:09 nepeta wrote:On July 13 2010 23:53 Lexpar wrote: Come to Canada my friend! The climate won't surprise you, we are a peace loving nation and our economy is on the up and up. Did I mention the abundance of natural resources? Last month 90 k jobs where created in this country of 30 millions inhabitants... We didn't even feel the economic recession here.
Canada sounds good too! Thank you everyone for giving me some hope  Canada! If anything for the beer and the hockey atmosphere =)
i'm so moving to Canada now.
i'll pass on the beer though.
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On July 13 2010 23:20 nepeta wrote: Requirements: A civilized place, which does not wage war lightly, where not everyone and everything is in debt. Somewhere where people anspire to be something more than a consuming piece of lard watching television.
hahaha ! If you manage to find a place like that, let me know please !
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On July 13 2010 23:53 Lexpar wrote: Come to Canada my friend! The climate won't surprise you, we are a peace loving nation and our economy is on the up and up. Did I mention the abundance of natural resources? Last month 90 k jobs where created in this country of 30 millions inhabitants... We didn't even feel the economic recession here.
We love Euros!
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I don't see what's wrong with the United States; sure, a lot of people there are fat lards, etc., but it doesn't mean you have to act like them. There are plenty of job opportunities, homes, and places you could go. It's also pretty safe, with the exception of several infamous cities :/
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On July 14 2010 02:25 Z3kk wrote: I don't see what's wrong with the United States; sure, a lot of people there are fat lards, etc., but it doesn't mean you have to act like them. There are plenty of job opportunities, homes, and places you could go. It's also pretty safe, with the exception of several infamous cities :/
The way I see it, its near impossible to be able to move to the US without marrying someone more or less.
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On July 14 2010 04:06 Solitary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 02:25 Z3kk wrote: I don't see what's wrong with the United States; sure, a lot of people there are fat lards, etc., but it doesn't mean you have to act like them. There are plenty of job opportunities, homes, and places you could go. It's also pretty safe, with the exception of several infamous cities :/ The way I see it, its near impossible to be able to move to the US without marrying someone more or less.
Is that a bad thing? Or do you mean marry someone before moving? It's natural we all get married at some point in our lives, so why not just move to the states, settle down, find someone, and get married? :D
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On July 15 2010 04:23 Z3kk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2010 04:06 Solitary wrote:On July 14 2010 02:25 Z3kk wrote: I don't see what's wrong with the United States; sure, a lot of people there are fat lards, etc., but it doesn't mean you have to act like them. There are plenty of job opportunities, homes, and places you could go. It's also pretty safe, with the exception of several infamous cities :/ The way I see it, its near impossible to be able to move to the US without marrying someone more or less. Is that a bad thing? Or do you mean marry someone before moving? It's natural we all get married at some point in our lives, so why not just move to the states, settle down, find someone, and get married? :D
Because until then you aren't a citizen and can only work temporarily on a visa.
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Misleading title is misleading. Teamliquid Fact #1: GTR is everywhere and anywhere where there is something remotely related to kpop
Australia, we got a new refugee policy. Perfect timing~~~ *wink*
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On July 15 2010 04:39 Inkarnate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 04:23 Z3kk wrote:On July 14 2010 04:06 Solitary wrote:On July 14 2010 02:25 Z3kk wrote: I don't see what's wrong with the United States; sure, a lot of people there are fat lards, etc., but it doesn't mean you have to act like them. There are plenty of job opportunities, homes, and places you could go. It's also pretty safe, with the exception of several infamous cities :/ The way I see it, its near impossible to be able to move to the US without marrying someone more or less. Is that a bad thing? Or do you mean marry someone before moving? It's natural we all get married at some point in our lives, so why not just move to the states, settle down, find someone, and get married? :D Because until then you aren't a citizen and can only work temporarily on a visa.
You have to marry someone to get a green card? I live here, so I'm probably just taking everything for granted and being ignorant of my country's system because that's how stupid the average American seems to be.
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i thought this was gonna be snsd
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The answer is obviously Canada. We're totally awesome and even have a couple legitimate cities!!!
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On July 13 2010 23:30 GTR wrote:i expected snsd. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_gfD3nvh-8
Damn, too late. If you can live for the next five years by spending the least amount of money that you can and learning some good practical skills at the same time, go to a halfway decent third world country instead. You'd be rich, well-respected *simply because you're freakin white* and with what you know, you can embed yourself in the upper-class, easy.
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If you don't mind having a rather apathetic political scene, and population in general, Singapore is a decent country to consider. Like you said, you want a place where people are ambitious. Singaporeans fit that description well.
There is little difficulty in moving to Singapore, due to the highly efficient bureaucracy (immigrations). Singapore is always trying to attract "foreign talent", so if you have good credentials it's a guaranteed work permit. There is a (relatively) large group of expatriates in Singapore making the transition easier.
However, I don't think its a good idea to move away from your home country just because you think that your country sucks. Like they say, "the grass is greener on the other side". Every country has its problems, and our home country is no different. Personally, the culture and feeling of home in my own country is enough to make up for many deficits of it.
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