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Troll is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a message board which transcends a prescribed commonality, uses external factors to affect the conversation, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the topic starter. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatroll
What is the prescribed ruleset? Textual limitations only? Where does it stop. Notice how it says "supposed limits". These limits may be different for you and I.The OP gives examples such as, is this thread a troll, are you trolling me etc. Makes sense. I believe that the trolling concept only works if there is a goal attached however, a reason for trolling, which then I can assume is to piss everyone off. Again it's logical for me to say, you won't agree with me, because the lack of necessity for understanding the definition of troll gives everyone elbow room to define their own understanding. I hope this resonates with someone.
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On June 11 2010 08:16 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 07:15 Energies wrote:On June 11 2010 05:20 intrigue wrote:
If you would like, I could start typing properly all the time. That'd be what kids today call "cramping my style" though. Kids? Cramping your style? I'd imagine that's how I would feel if I was being dictated to the manner and context in which a word that is already being used out of context is to be used. okay i get it you don't like how this seems so trivial and pet-peevish. but i really do think it'll increase the quality of the forums. i think part of your disapproval may be because you feel like i am targeting you specifically, because of posts like these: Show nested quote +On January 29 2010 06:53 Energies wrote:
I just realised, all it would take for a Romanian to troll us all would be to change his country to anything else other than Romanian and just start posting as he normally would. (completely incorrect usage) but i'm not. i don't have any grudge against someone who uses this word incorrectly, it's a very common mistake. if my blog prevents even 10 potential posts accusing posters of being "trolls", it will have been worth it. every mod has some things they are particularly watchful against and this is just one of mine. for the record i have never corrected someone on spelling or grammar, i really don't give a fuck. but this directly harms the forums.
I think that post is actually a pretty good example where the literal meaning of the word was not used, but I believe it makes sense in the context. It just goes to show the flexibility of words so you can't necessarily restrict the use.
In saying that I completely agree with what you are saying in terms of the word being abused. I just feel that people respond a lot better to a diplomatic approach.
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Man I'm gonna troll so hard tonight.
Ok, ok, you caught me. I'm actually going three-prong nightdiving. :D
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An example of trolling would be to incorrectly troll in this thread, thus causing a visceral reaction from intrigue.
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i knew what the term mean, but thought that troll was from.....you know....like a troll? the big thingie, the ugly ass monster......shit im stupid
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I love this blog, and it really is true. Honestly this applies to so many more terms than just troll where people use a word or phrase and either use it completely wrong, have no idea where it came from, or both. Another example is QQ for crying eyes. In HON, people do that all the time, and it drives me nuts. QQ is not crying eyes.
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Wait, when the hell did we ban Bonjwa? I don't recall that happening. I was never 100% on what metagame was so I never used it, I was under the impression it leaned towards what the general strategy was at that time, like most common builds and strategies, which were the accepted ideas on what is most efficient outside the game, which changes over time as people adapt.
Whatever, I never use any of these three words, but I see bonjwa in any thread with flash and occasionally Jaedong, where was that established/not enforced?
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I am so tempted to use all 3 of those words in a single sentence, but I'm afraid I'd never be allowed to post here ever again. 
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I got banned once for not using proper punctuation. True story.
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So if you don't want someone who is being a dick to be called out as a troll can we simply point out that he is playing devil's advocate?
On June 11 2010 23:36 JinNJuice wrote:
I love this blog, and it really is true. Honestly this applies to so many more terms than just troll where people use a word or phrase and either use it completely wrong, have no idea where it came from, or both. Another example is QQ for crying eyes. In HON, people do that all the time, and it drives me nuts. QQ is not crying eyes.
This is simply another example as to how words can evolve. QQ is now used to imply that someone is crying/raging. I mean, didn't Southpark just cover this very topic with the word "fag"???
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Finally some clarity to a word that is improperly used all too often.
Let the banning/cleansing begin
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On June 12 2010 02:45 Scorcher2k wrote:So if you don't want someone who is being a dick to be called out as a troll can we simply point out that he is playing devil's advocate? Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 23:36 JinNJuice wrote:
I love this blog, and it really is true. Honestly this applies to so many more terms than just troll where people use a word or phrase and either use it completely wrong, have no idea where it came from, or both. Another example is QQ for crying eyes. In HON, people do that all the time, and it drives me nuts. QQ is not crying eyes. This is simply another example as to how words can evolve. QQ is now used to imply that someone is crying/raging. I mean, didn't Southpark just cover this very topic with the word "fag"???
Idk, I don't really watch South Park so I don't know what you're referring to. But a word can evolve, just not in a completely different meaning. QQ is supposed to mean, "you're bad just quit the game," not "you're bad so QQ more." How can someone QQ more anyways. That's the kind of stuff that I mean.
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Hey intrigue, tell your mom I had a good time last night! 
get trolllled biatchhhhhhh ^_~
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I think most the trollcalling comes from people posting something they disagree with so much that the other person seems so absolutely stupid that to the trollee, the only reason for them to say something that stupid is for them to be trolling. But sometimes, people are actually that stupid.
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Thanks for the insight 
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On June 12 2010 03:54 JinNJuice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 02:45 Scorcher2k wrote:So if you don't want someone who is being a dick to be called out as a troll can we simply point out that he is playing devil's advocate? On June 11 2010 23:36 JinNJuice wrote:
I love this blog, and it really is true. Honestly this applies to so many more terms than just troll where people use a word or phrase and either use it completely wrong, have no idea where it came from, or both. Another example is QQ for crying eyes. In HON, people do that all the time, and it drives me nuts. QQ is not crying eyes. This is simply another example as to how words can evolve. QQ is now used to imply that someone is crying/raging. I mean, didn't Southpark just cover this very topic with the word "fag"??? Idk, I don't really watch South Park so I don't know what you're referring to. But a word can evolve, just not in a completely different meaning. QQ is supposed to mean, "you're bad just quit the game," not "you're bad so QQ more." How can someone QQ more anyways. That's the kind of stuff that I mean.
Ah, but that isn't that much of a jump. Assume that people don't "GG" when they alt+q+q. This leads people to tell others, "I was wrecking him so hard he QQed out." Someone then makes a joke that the loser QQed and was raging/crying. Now the term is accepted as being a substitute for telling someone to go rage/cry. Then someone makes the joke that the QQ is the subsequent QQers crying eyes...
I dunno but to me it doesn't seem like that far of a reach. Things that used to bother me are things like "pwn". You know that the word was only a frigin typo and someone claimed that it was 1337 speak.
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really though, do you feel that someone who posts intelligently but without capitalization brings down the quality of forums and threads? i find that half a page at a time of people calling each other "trolls" is much more harmful.
If you want people to take the big rules seriously, you have to enforce the little ones. Leading by example and all that.
And for some people, it is a much bigger deal than improper use of Internet slang. Generally, as you point out, the improper use is due to simply memetic mutation: casual use that transforms the apparent meaning of a word. It's not like they're knowingly and willingly violating an English grammatical rule that go back centuries or something
We all have our pet-peeve words that get used wrong. For example, I find the current predilection towards using "sick" as a positive construct literally nauseous (I associate "sick" with feeling nauseous, so when people use it to describe something good, I feel nauseous).
Idk, I don't really watch South Park so I don't know what you're referring to. But a word can evolve, just not in a completely different meaning. QQ is supposed to mean, "you're bad just quit the game," not "you're bad so QQ more." How can someone QQ more anyways. That's the kind of stuff that I mean.
That's just how language works. There was a point in time when "bad" meant "good." For some reason nowadays, people say "sick" when they mean something went well or is good. It's total nonsense, but languages change and evolve. Languages are defined by how a word gets used, not by dictionaries.
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I don't know what I hate more, people throwing around the word troll or someone misspelling 3-4 words, not capitalizing words at the begining of a sentence, and misusing punctuation all while calling everyone else in a huge rant stupid.
Now watch, I get banned because I am right.
User was temp banned for this post.
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