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So I decided I was going to try a new race today, and see if I could find something that was more my style and that maybe I was better with a differnt race than the protoss I have been playing and made diamond league with. So I decided to switch to zerg. Now I maybe dumb but I get on and there is a ladder reset and I decided to do my placement matches with zerg. I enjoyed being in diamond, it was a good goal I had made and achieved. So I start up my first game and I choose zerg.
Game 1 of my placement matches I am paired up against zerg. I notice about halfway through this game that my opponent this game knows what he is doing and is most likely a better zerg player than I am. I start out with 14 pool, 15 hatch, 15 extractor, 16 queen, 18 OL. Now I am not sure if this I as good opening or not, or if it is optimal, I haven't put my time in with zerg like I have with protoss. At 100 gas I get ling speed, and the 50 after that banelings nest. He doesnt expand and has about 18 lings to my 10 when he moves out. He is able to kill off my expo while my banelings nest still hasn't finished. And his speed has kicked in before mine. I am in big trouble. He also gets banelings before me and before I know it banelings are comeing toward my mineral line. I was able to sacrifice about 6 zerglings to kill off his banelings I sent them in pairs to attack 2 banelings at a time to kill them off before they got to my mineral line even though he was not attack moveing them. I was able to kill them before he got to my mineral line. I have about 10 zerglings morph half into banelings. Just as they unspawn I see 4 more banelings heading toward my mineral line, but I am able to attack one of them with one baneling and kill them all. I move my banelings toward his base and he tries to move one zergling to take the explosion but I have zerglings with them and am not attack moveing so I was able to kill off his zergling before he could kill a baneling. I end up catching a large group of zerglings comeing out from a rally point that he wasnt paying attention to and was able to kill almost 16 lings with 3 banelings. I morph a few more all the while spawning larvae and makeing more lings. I get 3 banelings into his mineral line and blow up about 5 drones and he gg's out. I think I was lucky to win this game due to micro and him not paying attn to those newly hatched zerlings on thier way to my base. Also one thing I saw during the replay was I had one more worker than he had I think this made a huge differance in this game.
Game 2 I am paired against a terran. I do the same opening as the game before but am not going to go banelings or make as many zerglings I will just put some spine crawlers at my natural and enough zerglings at my main so he cant reaper harass me. But this game I ended up macroing badly after teching to hydra after seeing he was going marine marauder, I took the gold also and at the end of the game I had 1000 extra mineral and no gas. I didnt make zerglings this entire game even though I had extra larva to do so... He was able to drop me when I was out of position and had me out upgraded. I should have most likely went roach/hydra this game instead of just hydra. I was a better player than this guy and I just didn't pay enough attention. So I amm not going to be in diamond league. Oh well I should have picked protoss for my placement games if I wanted to be diamond.
Game 3 I am once again against a zerg player. I do the same opening but this time I tech to fast muta on scrap station, and put down 2 spine crawlers witht he extra money I had, Killed off about half of his workers and his queen with the mutas, and he countered with his roaches but my lings and spine crawlers bought me enough time that I could bring my mutas back and kill off the rest of his roaches before he could do Major damage to my economy. He also saw I was on 2 base to his one and GG'd.
Game 4 was against terran once more, This game turned into a long macro game where he went tank vikeing marine. I was able to do drops and harass but I didn't know the matchup well enough to know how to beat this and He slowly moved forward and killed me. I chalked this loss up to not knowing the matchup. I kept my macro up this game and never was high in extra minerals or gas and made plenty of units, but still lost.
Game 5 was against a protoss player who wasn't very good, and made way to many cannons on one base after I saw this I took my expo and the gold, I got a changeling into his base and saw a stargate going down. I made 2 queens at each base and creep between all bases so If he came in with just one void ray I could easily deal with it while I got my spire. I ended up getting 200/200 all corrupters with 5 broodlords and rolled into his base he had like 15 voidrays but they stood no chance and that was gg.
I went 3-2 and got placed into..... SIVLER. Onegu is SIVLER /cry. I am so depressed. I know I should have expected something like this but it is dissapointing non the less.
I played 3 more games in silver and went 2-1 loseing to a protoss who did the same thing as game five of the placement matches but went carriers instead of voidrays and for some reason I went mass hydra, and when I attacked and was killing off his cannons. Half my forces get black holed and the rest get killed by the carriers, and once my forces come out of the black hole the cannons and carriers are still there and kill me off. I felt so bad. And after I said GG, he goes " Fuck you and your mother you gay piece of shit" Hrmm.
This leads me to my second point silver lvl players are so much more BM than those in diamond. I mean there were BM players in diamond but just It seems like every game someone Is calling me a noob for useing banelings or for fast teching. I dont understand why either you would think diamond lvl players would be more BM since they feel the losses more than those in silver, but I dont know.
Anyway I am depressed hardcore. I feel bad. And sure I shouldn't let BM get to me but seriously today it did.
A very depressed
Onegu
  
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You're not a BW progamer.
Your SC2 offraces will surpass your "main" race with 2 days of practice.
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Silver players get spanked much much more in ladder. They need to vent their silly frustration on someone in-game.
Oh and I almost forgot: wellcum to teh swarm! Enjoy your stay.
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You can't get placed into diamond off placements anymore so dont feel so bad about that!
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Somanydeadlings I very much think you are incorrect your off races wont surpass your "main" race in 2 days, I think it takes at least 2 weeks for that to happen if you are at my level and no my level isn't that high. I put time into protoss, I studied, I watched build orders, and got the "feel" of them down. I don't think I can get that with zerg in two days BW progammer or not. And I am being generious with 2 weeks, I just dont think that you can just discount the time I put into protoss like that. Sure someone who just played protoss and didn't check the forums every day and watch videos everyday to improve themselves in thier race. Sure they maybe able to be better with a off race than thier main but I still dont think that if they put time into becomeing good with that race that can happen.
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A bit of advice:
Someone once said "Whoever expands first in ZvZ loses." I don't remember who but this seems to be the general rule if you expand before Lair tech. You got lucky in your ZvZ game and you should have lost if your opponent microed properly. I usually only find it safe to expand in ZvZ once you have mutas to defend both bases.
Also I currently find Zerg to be somewhat underpowered and easily countered by the other races. The whole Zerg paradigm is based on staying alive long enough to get an econ advantage and more bases, then creating a mass of units out of thin air and attacking for the GG. I find that it is too easy for other races to exploit this with early harass. I played ~500 games as Zerg during the early beta and then switched to Protoss after the patch 12 Roach nerf, and let me tell you it is SO MUCH easier to win games as Protoss for me. It's simply being able to dictate the course of the game instead of having to scout my opponent constantly and try to see if it is safe for me to keep making drones...
If you really want to win games, play Terran. Mech vs Zerg and MMG vs Protoss just annihilate. I'd play Terran myself if I had the APM required to keep all my buildings queued, but I don't 
Warpgates are just too easy for 70 APM noobs like me.
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On June 05 2010 01:18 Uranium wrote:A bit of advice: Someone once said "Whoever expands first in ZvZ loses." I don't remember who but this seems to be the general rule if you expand before Lair tech. You got lucky in your ZvZ game and you should have lost if your opponent microed properly. I usually only find it safe to expand in ZvZ once you have mutas to defend both bases. Also I currently find Zerg to be somewhat underpowered and easily countered by the other races. The whole Zerg paradigm is based on staying alive long enough to get an econ advantage and more bases, then creating a mass of units out of thin air and attacking for the GG. I find that it is too easy for other races to exploit this with early harass. I played ~500 games as Zerg during the early beta and then switched to Protoss after the patch 12 Roach nerf, and let me tell you it is SO MUCH easier to win games as Protoss for me. It's simply being able to dictate the course of the game instead of having to scout my opponent constantly and try to see if it is safe for me to keep making drones... If you really want to win games, play Terran. Mech vs Zerg and MMG vs Protoss just annihilate. I'd play Terran myself if I had the APM required to keep all my buildings queued, but I don't Warpgates are just too easy for 70 APM noobs like me.
terran macro is easier than protoss, 3 aaaa tab ddd(marauders are d arent they?)
and the staying alive to get econ was alot like in sc1 also, you could get a big army off low econ but once it died youd die because you couldnt replace it
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I'd like to switch to Zerg for a while if I didnt hate ZvZ SO freakin much
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The first day i switched from zerg to protoss, I played placements and dc'd twice. Silver for me too, and it wasn't fun
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Personally I love zvz. I loved it in bw and I love it in sc2. Personally I feel like you have more strategies to go with in sc2. Although I do miss scourge sniping
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On June 05 2010 02:44 Typho0n wrote:Personally I love zvz. I loved it in bw and I love it in sc2. Personally I feel like you have more strategies to go with in sc2. Although I do miss scourge sniping
zvz was already a very bad matchup to watch in sc1 but it was fun to play.
Sometimes it seems like ZvZ has some real potential when somehow one of the players manages to survive early midgame, but these baneling zergling wars are just so freakin retarded, and they make sc2 a terrible terrible spectator sport. "Let's see, who's better at moving banelings into the enemy's mineral line"
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On June 05 2010 01:27 arb wrote:
terran macro is easier than protoss, 3 aaaa tab ddd(marauders are d arent they?)
Oh really?
3sssee tab cc ...
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On June 05 2010 03:02 ProoM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2010 01:27 arb wrote:
terran macro is easier than protoss, 3 aaaa tab ddd(marauders are d arent they?)
Oh really? 3sssee tab cc ...
however, protoss must hit another key to go to the proxy pylon(which 99% of tosses will put down) thats 1 more action thus more difficult
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Protoss macro is quite clearly the easiest in sc2.
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abuse speedlings more. 12 gas 12 pool ftw
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On June 05 2010 04:27 decafchicken wrote:
abuse speedlings more. 12 gas 12 pool ftw
Good old gas opening = fast speed ling, i used to abuse the hell out of those gas first opening when lings could run past walls.
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On June 05 2010 03:16 7mk wrote:
Protoss macro is quite clearly the easiest in sc2.
I agree, the extent of my macro cycle is W-zclick zclick sclick... 4(robo facility) click immortal twice
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