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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
June 03 2010 09:30 GMT
#1
Hello there,

a friend of mine is making a school research paper on psychology topic, regarding the effect of number of person's siblings to depression rate.
So far the results show the following :
- If you exactly two siblings, the average rate of depression is the lowest.
- If you have no siblings the rate of depression is higher.
- The highest depression rate is found when people have exactly one sibling.

Side-notes :
- the sample people were psychology students(mostly women)
- Results for people with more than two siblings are incomplete and not significant because the quantity in this group was too low.
- The results do not take into account or no relation was found between age(older sibling/younger sibling).

How would you interpret these results?
By your observation do you find the results to be true?
Why is the person with exactly 1 sibling most prone to depressions?


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CCGaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States417 Posts
June 03 2010 09:38 GMT
#2
Surveys are pretty unreliable. Since there is no information on age, I have to ask if there is information on sex?

Also, on depression, I don't suppose there's a time frame they asked when the subject's depression occured?
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
June 03 2010 09:39 GMT
#3
I think your friend should read a good nationwide study done by people with experience in the field, before interpreting results from a small sample that could be entirely wrong.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 09:42:12
June 03 2010 09:41 GMT
#4
How would you interpret these results?
I think the only reason that the one sibling person is more depressed is because they only have one person to compare their achievements (i.e. grades, sports, girlfriends/boyfriends) with, so they really don't have a solid view of what is good and what is bad. This said, the only reason that children without siblings are less prone to depression is because they lack a reference point, so they are ignorant compared to children with siblings, and are left to fend with their own intellect alone. Any child with 2 or more siblings will have more reference points, therefor they will have sharper comparisons (although I would have thought that having multiple "better" siblings would only make you feel more depressed).

By your observation do you find the results to be true?
Yes, I find them to be true (although every case differs, and I think raw data regarding psychology is unreliable).

Why is the person with exactly 1 sibling most prone to depressions?
As stated in response to your first question, they have less refined self confidence derived from inferior reference points compared to those held by children with 2+ siblings.
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
June 03 2010 09:53 GMT
#5
What is this supposed to be useful for at this point? Encourage parents to get 3 kids?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 03 2010 09:54 GMT
#6
2 siblings + 1 you = 3 races of StarCraft

Any less, something is missing. Any more, someone is bound to play your race.

And now for serious business:
Basically agree with Endymion. With only 1 sibling, you don't have enough info to get proper world picture. If you get compared to your sibling and you come short, you might interpret it in a self-defeating way, but when you see that same sibling compared to the other sibling in the same way, you see that that's just how things go.

I'd also like to point out that 4+ siblings probably again leads to increase in depression rates, because there's simply not enough parenting to fill everyone's needs.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
June 03 2010 10:09 GMT
#7
On June 03 2010 18:54 niteReloaded wrote:
2 siblings + 1 you = 3 races of StarCraft

Any less, something is missing. Any more, someone is bound to play your race.

And now for serious business:
Basically agree with Endymion. With only 1 sibling, you don't have enough info to get proper world picture. If you get compared to your sibling and you come short, you might interpret it in a self-defeating way, but when you see that same sibling compared to the other sibling in the same way, you see that that's just how things go.

I'd also like to point out that 4+ siblings probably again leads to increase in depression rates, because there's simply not enough parenting to fill everyone's needs.

well the last case wouldn't be necessarily true.

We are 5 kids in the family (2 boys 3 girls), my mom does not work in an office (she takes care of fam. business) so she gets to stay with us most of the time. Of course she couldn't check up on us 24/7 so we step in to fill the needs of our younger siblings..:D Actually my youngest sister (7) has been the most independent of us 5..

Maybe it's a case to case basis though..:D
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 10:27:47
June 03 2010 10:25 GMT
#8
On June 03 2010 18:41 Endymion wrote:
How would you interpret these results?
I think the only reason that the one sibling person is more depressed is because they only have one person to compare their achievements (i.e. grades, sports, girlfriends/boyfriends) with, so they really don't have a solid view of what is good and what is bad. This said, the only reason that children without siblings are less prone to depression is because they lack a reference point, so they are ignorant compared to children with siblings, and are left to fend with their own intellect alone. Any child with 2 or more siblings will have more reference points, therefor they will have sharper comparisons (although I would have thought that having multiple "better" siblings would only make you feel more depressed).

You came so close to an epiphany then missed it.
If you have one sibling... one is better one is worse. 50% is happy 50% is unhappy.
If you have two or more siblings... one is the worst and the others are happy..
66% happy 33% happy..
People with more than 1 sibling will seem to be happier because 2/3 times you are getting the non-crappy siblings
For having no siblings people always doubt themselves and you would be lonely too so it's natural that they would be kinda depressed, but not I have 1 sibling who is better than me 100% concrete yes I'm depressed.

I'm not saying people are better than each other I'm just crudely referring to the bold text above.
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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 10:46:44
June 03 2010 10:46 GMT
#9
On June 03 2010 18:39 Sadistx wrote:
I think your friend should read a good nationwide study done by people with experience in the field, before interpreting results from a small sample that could be entirely wrong.


this

pretty hard to reliably interpret results for a study like this with anything but a huuuge sample

it really also depends on your measure of depression and what not
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
June 03 2010 12:33 GMT
#10
Yeah, cause doing a depression study on psychology students is reliable. Half of them are studying it to help themselves, not other people.
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
June 03 2010 12:36 GMT
#11
- The two siblings kind of makes sense because more company means less loneliness.
- The one sibling I have no idea.
- The fact that they were psych majors AND mostly women probably makes the results pretty much useless (should have a wider variety as far as using them for test samples - men and students in other majors).

On a side note, I have one younger brother and I haven't been depressed about anything, angry, yeah for sure, but never depressed.
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
June 03 2010 13:11 GMT
#12
On June 03 2010 21:33 RaGe wrote:
Yeah, cause doing a depression study on psychology students is reliable. Half of them are studying it to help themselves, not other people.

Yeah I kind of agree with you.

Though it's just a school paper and the pop. sample, diversity is limited, interesting results may be found. And these results may thereafter be observed on a larger scale and tested whether or not it works like this in general(for specific population).

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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
June 03 2010 13:35 GMT
#13
Very, very surprised that one sibling is most likely to be depressed. I would think either no siblings (lonely) or too many (not enough attention, disconnected) would be the problem. Myself and my brother are very close and it's great
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iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 14:11:55
June 03 2010 14:10 GMT
#14
Considering that it's a survey of only psychology students and it is done probably by an undergraduate psychology major, you can pretty much just completely ignore the results.

Assuming the results are accurate, perhaps depressed people are most likely to have 2 children for whatever reason.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 03 2010 15:57 GMT
#15
Well i had 1 sibling(older, sister) - and I suffered from depression a lot.

However, my sister did not - and clearly she also had 1 sibling.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20017 Posts
June 03 2010 16:13 GMT
#16
I have one sister and she had clinical depression. I turned out fine I dont know what the fuck is wrong with her, all she does is bitch and whine and cry. She's 5 years older than me. We fought pretty much non stop while growing up.

My guess is people with one sibling are more likely to feel they are the "least" liked or "worst" sibling because there is only one person for comparison, whereas if you there is more than 2 there are more points of reference so you are less likely to feel that way.
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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
June 03 2010 17:40 GMT
#17
On June 03 2010 18:41 Endymion wrote:
How would you interpret these results?
I think the only reason that the one sibling person is more depressed is because they only have one person to compare their achievements (i.e. grades, sports, girlfriends/boyfriends) with, so they really don't have a solid view of what is good and what is bad. This said, the only reason that children without siblings are less prone to depression is because they lack a reference point, so they are ignorant compared to children with siblings, and are left to fend with their own intellect alone. Any child with 2 or more siblings will have more reference points, therefor they will have sharper comparisons (although I would have thought that having multiple "better" siblings would only make you feel more depressed).

By your observation do you find the results to be true?
Yes, I find them to be true (although every case differs, and I think raw data regarding psychology is unreliable).

Why is the person with exactly 1 sibling most prone to depressions?
As stated in response to your first question, they have less refined self confidence derived from inferior reference points compared to those held by children with 2+ siblings.


I'm sorry to pick on you because almost everyone else in the thread is going along the same lines of thought.

However, consider this:

1. How many people have more than one sibling?

2. How many people have 0 siblings? Probably more than in 1.

3. How many people have exactly 1 sibling? Probably more than in 2.

In other words, my skeptical side says that the sibling-only correlation is not strong enough in itself to suggest the conclusions reached. If you have a certain sample of students with 10% belonging to 1, 30% belonging to 2, and 60% belonging to 3, results could easily be skewed by the distribution properties. You have to consider each set (1,2,3) as statistically independent and need a proper sample size for each individual set.

Just a thought.
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
June 03 2010 19:22 GMT
#18
I get depressed when I'm not making good grades or have to pay $640 for a month's rent and then $130 for the electric bill T_T FML
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punkideas
Profile Joined May 2010
United States20 Posts
June 03 2010 21:17 GMT
#19
As an aspiring research psychologist (~2 months from my MA), I wonder what the effect size is for that. Also, if the people who participated were in a specific psychology class (such as developmental) that would almost certainly bias the sample. I'm guessing the measure used was the BDI (pretty much the standard). Personally, I wouldn't take these results as meaningful until this was replicated on a more general sample, such as intro psych students (research has shown they're good enough for stuff like this). Also, group size factors could play into this. If the sample was 30 and only a few people fell into one category, you can't make any real conclusions. Finally, trying to attribute causation is pretty much pointless without having more data. Constructing testable models of causality are not a trivial task. If you can link to the paper (or even better, the dataset), I would love to take a look at it.

Don't take this post the wrong way, it sounds like this was a well done study for undergraduate research. I'm more trying to explain some of the shortcomings to people not familiar with psychological research.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 21:37:45
June 03 2010 21:36 GMT
#20
8 siblings and am like never ever depressed.
Like I'm a very happy person for no real reason.
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