• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:21
CET 14:21
KST 22:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1356 users

Climbing Above the Filth

Blogs > xDark.Carnivalx
Post a Reply
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2010 11:57 GMT
#1
Rejoice non-double zerg 2v2er's! The evil filth that is known as the ZZ team has been overcome by Randomers.

Behold the glory!
[image loading]


For hours, days, weeks, me and my ally, Uptown (Locked on TL) have been crawling ever so slowly in our 2v2 division to reach the top. Why? For fame? For rank!? For bragging rights?! NO! It was to be above those double zerg users, those bastards who pick the most hated combo in 2v2!

It hasn't been an easy ride, not at all. Even now, after that screenshot was taken, we fell a few spots before settling back down at 3rd. Along the way we discovered many things, about ourselves and the people we played. There's a lot of nice people out there, and there's a few angry ones too.


The Journey


It began for us as it did for so many, the placement matches. The tedious ten games you must play to be placed in your league. One wrong step will send you plummeting to a lower league, but luckily for us, the placement matches are absolutely terrible. Fighting out way past this tedious obstacle, we fell face first into Platinum league, Division 11.

We chose to always play double random, for entertainment, and to be cool. Because everyone knows to be cool, you have to play double random. So we fought on, getting all sorts of match ups. We found out roaches were almost an easy win, and found out some people get angry at you for making them. It was also a time of learning the maps, the oh so amazing maps that Blizzard made for 2v2.

One map stood out above the others, and that map is Twilight Fortress. It looked okay, it seemed alright, until we played it. We played it and found out the rush distances were long. So, so long. The map spoke to us, telling us to play a long, macro game, because there were so many expos, and it was such a long walk to your opponents base.

Alright, we said, let's play a macro game. So we did, and thus we found out our computers were not beefy enough to handle four players worth of units clashing together. The lag was horrible, so horrible... And so began our hatred towards that demonic map entitled Twilight Fortress.

Moving right along we had a decent amount of games played, with not the greatest record but as far as playing double random went, it wasn't bad. Then we discovered the retarded imbalance of double zerg and proxies.

We already knew double zerg was dumb and almost always a sure loss, but the proxies took us by surprise. They seemed impossible to defend! How can you stop them?! At our darkest hour we came up with the brilliant idea; we too shall proxy. We too shall cheese. Let those who don't proxy feel the pain we have felt. Thus began our proxy games.

7rax, 7pool, double proxy gate, we did it all. We did all of it, and we won, and won some more. Our record and rank shot up towards the heavens, speedily pushing us towards the top. Along the way we met many who kept falling victim to our proxy style. We felt bad, but we endured, taking the hate in stride as we continued upward.

All good things must come to an end, and so they did. It became clear to us that some match ups were impossible to proxy, and almost impossible to win if the opponent wasn't a blind monkey.


The Match-ups, the Races, the F U ZERG


The weakest of the match ups is certainly being double Protoss vs. anything that isn't double Protoss. The gateways make too slow to proxy a Zerg or Terran, and even if you manage to take out a fellow protoss, you'll be steamrolled by their ally. We hate being double Protoss very much, almost as much as playing against double Zerg.

Protoss in general, is the weakest race in 2v2. Early defense and aggression is hard as fuck to do. Protoss vs. Zerg in 2v2 is a constant struggle of "How can I NOT be gayed this game?" Speedlings, if you did not know, can push past any unit that isn't tightly packed behind a lot of other units in a 1unit choke. That is to say, your zealot blocking the path in your progamer sim city defense will be of no use vs. 10 speedlings right clicking their way through him.

So aside from protoss sucking big balls, how does Terran fair? Decently, depending on the matchup. Double Terran for example, is the only team capable of not being an autoloss vs. double Zerg thanks to having walls that don't fuck your units from helping your ally. Terran proxy is also a game changer in conjunction with 7pool or 2gate proxy, as marines are awesome little buggers in taking out marines/scvs vs. terran, and being little ballers vs. the other two races as well.

So that leaves zerg. Zerg, zerg, zerg. Oh zerg. How we hate you. If you don't 6 pool or 7 pool, there's the threat of speedlings being crammed down our throat. Your roaches storming their way up the ramp spewing their saliva on anything in sight. If by a miracle you can live to the mid-game, you get the awesome choice of fighting a fuck ton of roaches, or hydra, or lings, or banelings, or mutalisks. Think of those units, and than double them or mix them all together in one annoying ball of gay, and that is what playing vs. double zerg is like in 2v2. If you aren't double Zerg yourself, or double Terran, it's going to feel like David vs. Goliath, except Goliath is a really, really gay giant.


Conclusion


Now that we're almost at the top, myself and Locked are dead certain the wipe will occur, washing away all our sweat and blood. We know this will happen, because we know Blizzard hates us. If Blizzard does not hate us, we would never play on Twilight Fortress all the fucking time despite having it thumbed down, or whatever the hell the map preference is meant for.

Not only do we play Twilight Fortress all the time, we random double Zerg on that map more than the other maps. Which is completely retarded as going for a fast rush is completely negated by the long distances. We. Hate. Twilight. Fortress.

Next on the proof-of-hate scale is how long it takes us to find a game. Granted we play late at night, so taking awhile for a game is bound to happen, but... 15 minutes?! When the people we finally play say they've only waited one minute. Cool. Or even better, we're waiting upwards of 10mins and the fuckers CANCEL THE MATCH. AWESOME.

It may just be terrible luck for us, but after so many games we're very certain Blizzard hates us. They hate us for not conforming to the double Zerg ways, or even double Terran. We've been double random the entire way up, and we'll be double random the entire way up once the wipe happens.

Viva la Resistance! ...uh... la... Random?


Here are some replays, not very many, just some fun games, and things demonstrating zergzerg gayness. I didn't watch all of them so most of it is based from memory. Also a few games I play with Kakale, whom is still the same partner just on a different name. Oh and he uses a mic, I don't have one, so there's half a conversation missing in every replay. I swear I'm not crazy and talking to myself ><

http://www.mediafire.com/?jjh4fu1uyny (hope link works!)

*****
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
March 19 2010 12:27 GMT
#2
grats on beating psyonic considering he plays like 24/7
Nony is Bonjwa
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
March 19 2010 13:11 GMT
#3
So you reach the top making most of the time cheese? OMG you are really amazing!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120015&currentpage=98<--Search the HotBid's Post
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
March 19 2010 13:15 GMT
#4
lol gj locked
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
March 19 2010 13:24 GMT
#5
They probably randomed ZZ
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 13:47:01
March 19 2010 13:26 GMT
#6
Omfg I detest twilight fortress. Even the greenish glow of the tileset irks me to the core of my being.
And ugh... I stopped 2v2ing recently because of the ridiculous wait times. How'd you guys play so many games with 10-15mins wait times? O_O
Then again I guess it's a step up from TL dota.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2010 13:42 GMT
#7
RANDOM CRUSADE SHALL LIVE ON FOREVER
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2010 19:30 GMT
#8
On March 19 2010 22:11 LuDwig- wrote:
So you reach the top making most of the time cheese? OMG you are really amazing!

better than reaching the top as double zerg.
On March 19 2010 22:26 DevAzTaYtA wrote:
Omfg I detest twilight fortress. Even the greenish glow of the tileset irks me to the core of my being.
And ugh... I stopped 2v2ing recently because of the ridiculous wait times. How'd you guys play so many games with 10-15mins wait times? O_O
Then again I guess it's a step up from TL dota.

yeah we hate the wait times. we play usually from 10pm to 3am PST. we take breaks in the form of waiting between games ><
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
Monday #66
WardiTV982
TKL 152
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko342
RotterdaM 205
TKL 152
BRAT_OK 100
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2305
Sea 2088
Soma 619
Mini 596
Stork 562
Larva 548
GuemChi 523
Light 508
firebathero 414
ggaemo 284
[ Show more ]
Snow 240
hero 232
Sharp 191
Killer 154
PianO 151
Rush 123
Mong 81
Pusan 77
JYJ 75
Aegong 71
sorry 58
Yoon 58
ToSsGirL 54
soO 39
Movie 33
Shinee 26
910 23
zelot 21
yabsab 19
Terrorterran 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 18
Sacsri 12
SilentControl 9
Bale 9
Dota 2
singsing4566
XcaliburYe783
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2359
x6flipin808
zeus512
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor173
Other Games
crisheroes336
Fuzer 335
oskar102
Mew2King76
hiko68
nookyyy 52
Happy1
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 74
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV409
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 39m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.