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On February 11 2010 05:40 LordWeird wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 05:36 beetlelisk wrote:
I don't see anything wrong in showing that TSL cares. I am against making this so harsh.
I repeat:
The thing is there was no leak at all, he commentated his performance not results Ok, so if I were to post after a big tournament series "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" You wouldn't think I lost? Wtf don't dance around technicalities, that's stupid.
His "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" can be spoiling results of the match as a whole but anyone who saw it live could say the very same thing after 1st 2 games were played. There was no groundshacking info in this.
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On February 11 2010 05:45 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Hrmm gotta keep serious face to acquire future sponsors so tl staff took excellent decision imo. I'm pretty sure all of us can relate to Tarson and the staff
There is no problem in showing care, there is a problem with penalty.
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On February 11 2010 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 05:40 LordWeird wrote:On February 11 2010 05:36 beetlelisk wrote:
I don't see anything wrong in showing that TSL cares. I am against making this so harsh.
I repeat:
The thing is there was no leak at all, he commentated his performance not results Ok, so if I were to post after a big tournament series "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" You wouldn't think I lost? Wtf don't dance around technicalities, that's stupid. His "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" can be spoiling results of the match as a whole but anyone who saw it live could say the very same thing after 1st 2 games were played. There was no groundshacking info in this.
but he said it before the games were broadcasted : /
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It doesn't matter that the result was obvious. He agreed to not release the results and he did. That hurts everybody because it hurts the integrity of the TSL, which is a product paid for by a sponsor. In order to keep sponsors, you have to show that this is not tolerated, so whoever leaked the results has to be punished. Tarson did it, he admitted it, and he has been punished. TL.net should have it's possibility of acquiring sponsors intact.
If they did not penalize him, it could be seen by potential sponsors as a mark of a poorly run operation and, possibly, endanger the chance of future TSLs happening because of a lack of funding. Tarson forced their hand with this, and it's sad it happened, but this was really the nicest way, in relation to Tarson, that TL.net could legitimately handle this. If you aren't going to argue that he didn't leak them, then you have no leg to stand on here, frankly.
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Translation's good and its damn obvious that he lost the series (in both polish and english)
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On February 11 2010 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:On February 11 2010 05:40 LordWeird wrote:On February 11 2010 05:36 beetlelisk wrote:
I don't see anything wrong in showing that TSL cares. I am against making this so harsh.
I repeat:
The thing is there was no leak at all, he commentated his performance not results Ok, so if I were to post after a big tournament series "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" You wouldn't think I lost? Wtf don't dance around technicalities, that's stupid. His "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" can be spoiling results of the match as a whole but anyone who saw it live could say the very same thing after 1st 2 games were played. There was no groundshacking info in this. but he said it before the games were broadcasted : /
In this case you have no idea about things like this until someone translates it.
Can I even ask for TL staff statement about anyone posting how Tarson trashed himself on netwars.pl (I mean no direct translations)? Especially now when situation is fresh, heads red and hardly anyone else speaks Polish here?
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Telling people not to watch, and that he played bad etc. is obviously disrespectful to what TL is trying to do. Incidents like this have to be punished, and if many of them happen, there might not be another TSL. It's the issue we face since we have to do this pseudo live, but TSL has to prove that it brings in viewers to get sponsors. Discouraging viewership is just a dick move. TL gave Tarson the opportunity, and he should have been smart enough to return the favour.
Mistakes happen, and it's not so scandalous everything has been ruined, but it does need to be taken seriously.
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On February 11 2010 05:21 beetlelisk wrote:
Please revert this as he is not losing any money in this way; if you will not I will send him exact amount of money he may lose by your decision.
somehow, i doubt it... feel free to prove me wrong though
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On February 11 2010 05:52 maareek wrote:
It doesn't matter that the result was obvious. He agreed to not release the results and he did. That hurts everybody because it hurts the integrity of the TSL, which is a product paid for by a sponsor. In order to keep sponsors, you have to show that this is not tolerated, so whoever leaked the results has to be punished. Tarson did it, he admitted it, and he has been punished. TL.net should have it's possibility of acquiring sponsors intact.
If they did not penalize him, it could be seen by potential sponsors as a mark of a poorly run operation and, possibly, endanger the chance of future TSLs happening because of a lack of funding. Tarson forced their hand with this, and it's sad it happened, but this was really the nicest way, in relation to Tarson, that TL.net could legitimately handle this. If you aren't going to argue that he didn't leak them, then you have no leg to stand on here, frankly.
Once again: I am all for TSL staff noticing this and reacting to this. I am against overreacting.
Saying this was a leak is overreacting caused in my opinion by other problems and defects.
I understand that this TSL and previous one are crucial, key for good sponsoring in the future; however base of this verdict isn't strong enough, putting stress on language barriers. 90% of users that now know of this, do know of this only because it has been made official.
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Just be happy he only got 50% penalized. IMO he shouldn't get a single penny. It's an unspoken rule that since TSL is run by replays players should take up most caution when talking before their matches are broadcasted. Stop crying about TSL staff being harsh and a mistake. You're pretty arrogant to say that hardworking staff who put the whole freakin' tournament made a mistake. So shut the fuck.
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On February 11 2010 06:00 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 05:21 beetlelisk wrote:
Please revert this as he is not losing any money in this way; if you will not I will send him exact amount of money he may lose by your decision. somehow, i doubt it... feel free to prove me wrong though
Don't worry I will
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The punishment isn't really harsh at all. I would have expected ban from future TSLs, this is just 100 bucks =/
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Sounds like a good decision on TSL's part. Tarson knew of the agreement when he spoiled the results and should be willing to accept the consequences. Only doing 50% sounds like a generous gesture imo.
Seems like Tarson made a mistake and admits making a mistake. This wasn't TSL's mistake.
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On February 11 2010 06:06 Chef wrote:
The punishment isn't really harsh at all. I would have expected ban from future TSLs, this is just 100 bucks =/
QFT
Also,this is you claiming that the whole staff of TSL made a mistake....
You who just watch against TSL staff who donate numerous time and effort to bring this to us....
Why don't you stop overreacting and just enjoy what they provide us?
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why are people on tl so willing to give money to complete strangers?
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beetlelisk, it doesn't matter that he didn't do it here. It doesn't matter where he did it. If it was a blog with no visitors, it would still be a violation of the rules and mean he forfeits all his winnings. You aren't at fault and by translating it when you did you probably made things much better for all involved. What Tarson did broke the rules, no matter where he posted it, and as it is the TSL admins gave him the lightest penalty they could while still remaining firm on their rules.
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beetlelisk:
A breach of contract is a breach of contract. It is irrelevant if what Tarson did actually caused any harm or not. It's about the implications that such behavior that could potentially damage the event. You're right, it is indeed very minor of an offense especially in this case especially how it was posted on such an obscure forum using a language hardly anybody speaks only a short time before the broadcasts. But the fact of the matter is SC tournaments / ladders have gone on far too long without any self-protection and finally TL.net is taking steps to ensure the integrity and entertainment value of it's own tournament along with setting precedent and making an example for other tournaments to come. TL.net has always been a very simple user-oriented site but with many companies like pokerstrategy willing to put up huge prizes on the horizon (sc2 etc) it's important to act more professionally and hold to the contract/rules to a T unless special circumstances arise.
I know what you're trying to argue right now is that these are special circumstances as results were pretty much not spoiled for anyone at all and he didn't say anything exactly and it was language bs blah blah. You also said TL.net is trying to find 'scapegoats.' You are completely wrong. In TL's explanation of the matter they clearly stated that they have sympathy for Tarson and realize what he did was a simple mistake in the heat of the moment. Adding to that they only removed 50% of his prize money instead of 100% which they were totally in their right to do seeing as how he was completely in breach of contract.
If you walk around town shooting a silenced gun in the air for fun with no intention of harming anyone and no one sees you you're not going to get in trouble. That doesn't mean what you're doing isn't wrong and that you won't be punished in the event you're caught.
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On February 11 2010 05:57 Chef wrote:
Telling people not to watch, and that he played bad etc. is obviously disrespectful to what TL is trying to do. Incidents like this have to be punished, and if many of them happen, there might not be another TSL. It's the issue we face since we have to do this pseudo live, but TSL has to prove that it brings in viewers to get sponsors. Discouraging viewership is just a dick move. TL gave Tarson the opportunity, and he should have been smart enough to return the favour.
Mistakes happen, and it's not so scandalous everything has been ruined, but it does need to be taken seriously.
He warned his countrymen, on forums that of all things resemble fucking 4chan more than TL or maybe gosugamers.
Consider this, something I was going to post and translate in heat of donation for Polish BW players so 3 of them not 1 could go to China.
There was a whiner, guy who didn't like concept of donating at all; who wrote about this in 1 thread and then made his own.
Short translation is GTFO, GTFO fucking whore
Not a single person was banned for this.
Of all things I would rather think Tarson was scared of being bashed for his performance than spoiling any results to innocent ENGLISH SPEAKING spectators
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There is no argument here. If the player agreed to terms and conditions stating that he could not leak anything in any sort of way, and he did, then there must be a punishment. The only thing to argue is what type of punishment that may be and how severe.
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On February 11 2010 05:33 beetlelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 05:31 micronesia wrote:On February 11 2010 05:30 maareek wrote:
Based on what he's saying and the time stamp of those posts, what I'm assuming the OP is saying is that Tarson posted this while the matches were being casted. It would take a little more comparing to see just where the timing was, but I think that's what the OP is trying to get across here. OP should correct me if I'm wrong... but the Tarson posts were well before the broadcast. Did he post this on TL? No he didn't, taking all circumstances into consideration there is no need to split his prize. The thing is there was no leak at all, he commentated his performance not results!
I really don't get your point to be honest. I mean yeah, he didn't say out loud "damn I lost", but he implied him loosing in a very obvious way.
So if he wrote this on a polish website, polish SC fans still got spoiled, no?
It's not your fault at all. It's his fault, and the judgement done by the TSL staff is correct imo.
On February 11 2010 05:46 beetlelisk wrote:His "Fuck this, fuck starcraft, i can't believe this... i did so poorly" can be spoiling results of the match as a whole but anyone who saw it live could say the very same thing after 1st 2 games were played. There was no groundshacking info in this.
Actually yes there was. He basically said that he lost the games, thus spoiling the broadcast.
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