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magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
January 23 2010 11:37 GMT
#1
I'm gutted.

This is going to be the best final ever. Judging from the first 3 games.

Very sad for Flash. He didn't deserve this. I'm a massive JD fan but I'm still saddened by this.

But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4.

Out

****
In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
January 23 2010 11:40 GMT
#2
I cannot for the life of me come at peace with this.

fuck mbc
losso
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Bulgaria158 Posts
January 23 2010 11:42 GMT
#3
this did not, by any means, feel like a real final
the thing im most upset about is that the third game itself was SO GOOD and it just ended for no reason
the only good thing about this is that when they finally meet at an OSL final or at least a real MSL final the hype will be twice as big
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
January 23 2010 11:45 GMT
#4
i hope it's OSL then, because MSL as demonstrated isn't up to the challenge
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
iMarshall
Profile Joined July 2008
Norway190 Posts
January 23 2010 11:45 GMT
#5
I have been looking forward to this for so long, and was so happy during the finals, until everything got turned upside down. I really wanted Jaedong to win, but not like this. It's not Jaedong's or Flash's fault, but the kespa referee for not admitting the desicion was bad and arrange a rematch instead.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
January 23 2010 11:46 GMT
#6
On January 23 2010 20:42 losso wrote:
this did not, by any means, feel like a real final
the thing im most upset about is that the third game itself was SO GOOD and it just ended for no reason
the only good thing about this is that when they finally meet at an OSL final or at least a real MSL final the hype will be twice as big

I agree.

I'm happy that Flash seemed happy for the 2nd place and didnt go grumpy like his dad.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43720 Posts
January 23 2010 11:46 GMT
#7
I believe JD had game 3 easily when the blackout happened. He had consolidated 7 and destroyed all but 2 of Flash's vessels. Flash didn't have the irradiate needed to break a defiler defence nor the economy to do another massive push. But I didn't want JD to win like this. There was no excitement. Flash's play was dead in game 4. JD was obviously no happier with the situation than Flash was. His win had been completely undermined, despite his fantastic play, especially in game 3.
Completely ruined the finals. The players were disappointed as fuck and when they have no will to play I can't find myself cheering.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
January 23 2010 11:48 GMT
#8
Yeah what a bummer. A real disappointment of a final to me, especially when most of us expected it to be one of the best finals ever. =( Game 2 was pretty entertaining and game 3 was great up until the failure, at least. 1 and 4 were alright, but still too one-sided to be really epic games.

But yeah, the failure really took a lot of momentum out of the whole thing -- Not to mention that garbage seperate studio crap.
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
January 23 2010 11:49 GMT
#9
I honestly think jaedong was almost letting flash win near the start. He had one sunken and two lings defending against 8+ marines and flash didn't attack. I was almost yelling, "ATTACK NOIW FLASH FAFJ@#R@#"

m4gdelen4
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
January 23 2010 11:52 GMT
#10
On January 23 2010 20:37 magicbullet wrote:
I'm gutted.

This is going to be the best final ever. Judging from the first 3 games.

Very sad for Flash. He didn't deserve this. I'm a massive JD fan but I'm still saddened by this.

But props to JD for the brilliant counter/prediction for game 4.

Out


yeah dude i feel exactly the same. i was so psyched for this match - i thought it was going to be EPIC! im a jaedong fan, and would have been dissappointed and saddened if he lost, but still very happy for Flash because hes my 2nd favorite player.

the fucking hour long break after the power outage or whatever was extremely anti-climatic. i went limp dick .... fuck

so yeah like minus human -
I cannot for the life of me come at peace with this.

fuck mbc
it does to blue what blue does to you
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 23 2010 11:53 GMT
#11
I think what's contentious is not game 3 really but the effect it had on flash..... I bet he was feeling pretty pissed, especially with his dad and his entire team fighting so hard against the decision. He walks out....After an agonizingly long time no doubtly pacing back and forth he comes back. This isn't the same flash from the first three games.... He must be shaken. His mental condition must be shattered.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 11:56:01
January 23 2010 11:54 GMT
#12
While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations.

edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
January 23 2010 11:55 GMT
#13
You're right about Flash not deserving this, such a horrible way to go out. I also feel robbed as a Jaedong fan because his victory has been tainted. He didn't even look happy and his forced smiles were awkward.

I'm so frustrated right now. The ads didn't help either.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 23 2010 11:56 GMT
#14
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote:
While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD really brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations.


He didn't play too well in game 2.... But I agree with what you say. JD's win will be tarnished either way anyway. His BOs these games were really something. His muta control in the first game might've been the best I've seen in a long time.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 11:57:42
January 23 2010 11:57 GMT
#15
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote:
While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations.

edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh.


Jaedong never showed any management skill. The reason I'm disappointed is because any Zerg with good muta micro could have beaten Flash in games 1 and 4.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 11:59:40
January 23 2010 11:57 GMT
#16
That's true but his BO was pretty good I thought, aside from going guardian -> instafail. And 3 hatch before pool twice in a row against the guy who planned on doing 3x bunker rush to get to the finals? Damn.

Mmmm well if Flash had made more than zero turrets in his main, maybe it would've gotten to management stages. Agreed on set 4 but like I said that was hardly a legitimate match between them
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 23 2010 11:58 GMT
#17
Crap accidentally 1/5 instead of 5/5 T_T

Yeah, i love Flash and like/respect JD a lot and i'm really sad of this double robbery - Flash robbed of chances and hope (see how crushed he was before and during set 4.) and JD of potential glorious victory
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
January 23 2010 12:00 GMT
#18
Even though I'm a bit of a Flash fanboy, if there's one player who I can respect for potentially outplaying flash it's Jaedong.

His play was fantastic, no doubt, but it's pretty obvious basically no one wanted him to win like this, least of all himself.

Bad call of the referee, I think he should have offered the option of a rematch IF both parties agreed.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 23 2010 12:10 GMT
#19
jaedong didn't really outplay flash, game one was just basic muta micro 101, game two he fell on his face. game three finally we saw them both playing well, and game four was flash being mentally raped by the shit storm that went on for an hour. watching game 3 until the fail power i was really thinking the final score would be 3 - 2 for jaedong, which sounded great to me... but... yeah.

really sucks for both of them, very unsatisfying win for jaedong and a really mentally draining/disappointing loss for flash
@QxGDarkCell ._.
magicbullet
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Singapore163 Posts
January 23 2010 12:11 GMT
#20
On January 23 2010 20:54 Kyuukyuu wrote:
While this finals did end up being a total fiasco, you cannot deny that JD brought his A-game and his preparation really showed through games 1-3. A shame that his win will be overshadowed by the horrible fail, because tbh JD actually exceeded my and a lot of progamers' expectations.

edit: And of course set 4 is also illegitimized (not a word but whatever) because of set 3, even though I think JD would probably have won that set too. Sigh.


Yes JD played very well especially in game 3 when his 1 o'clock expo was gone and Flash had a screen worth of MnM and was threatening to destroy the 3 o'clock expansion. Who would have thought JD could defend that?

Sadly, I think this will be overlooked and forgotten.
In the long run we are all dead - J.M. Keynes
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