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So apparently, protoss isnt the noob race anymore
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/[CPL]TheAntZ.html
vs Protoss - 1-1 | 50%
vs Terran - 4-3 | 57.1% (two of these times were against a friend, whom I had to beg on msn for like 20 minutes before he'd play against me, thats how badly I was starting to hate pvz)
vs Zerg - 8-8
And thats not counting the number of zergs i kept kicking out before i finally gave up and played against one. Each time I want to play, i get tired of pvz so when a zerg enters the game i keep kicking and banning, hoping, SEARCHING for a terran or protoss, please oh god
but no
there is only zerg
so fucking LAME
 
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On December 15 2009 22:15 yhnmk wrote:
nope.
Thanks for your amazing contribution, and sound argument, how insightful.
Now gtfo
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Why dont you just write "no Z" in your game name, works for me.
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Zerg have increased quite alot lately. Still only about 5% my games are vs Terran though...
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On December 15 2009 22:21 Kong John wrote:
Why dont you just write "no Z" in your game name, works for me.
Then I get no games usually t.t
I actually tried this just now and 2 zergs joined -_-
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My 2 main iCCup accounts:
Account no.1 (c+ account)
vT - 12 games
vZ - 9 games
vP - 25 games
Account no.2
vT - 11 games
vZ - 11 games
vP - 27 games
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Katowice25012 Posts
The race you have up when you get ready to start the game will have an impact on what races you are likely to face
presumably because people hate mirrors but I don't remember what conclusion I came to when I actually did the experiment
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
hmm i play zerg and i played like 5-6 games last week and it was like all 4 zvz 1 zvt 1 zvp lol
no wait actually i dont think i even played a zvp
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On December 15 2009 22:30 Camlito wrote:
My 2 main iCCup accounts:
Account no.1 (c+ account)
vT - 12 games
vZ - 9 games
vP - 25 games
Account no.2
vT - 11 games
vZ - 11 games
vP - 27 games
So I guess theres a ridiculous amount of P at higher levels (when choosing Zerg) and a ridiculous amount of Z at low levels (when choosing toss).
Garrr its just frustrating, I stopped laddering because I cant handle anymore pvz
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Yeah I've noticed a lot more zergs lately and when I offrace (rarely) zerg seems pretty easy (keep in mind this is D/D+ level).
Bring on the protoss love :D
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
switch to T so that you can play the awesome TvZ and rape them
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On December 15 2009 22:41 konadora wrote:
switch to T so that you can play the awesome TvZ and rape them
If I switched to T i'd be inclined to switch fully to T, and then I'd have to TvP, and my ass hurts enough from continuous PvZ already, I dont wanna be raped even harder by trying to TvP ;;
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On December 15 2009 22:40 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2009 22:30 Camlito wrote:
My 2 main iCCup accounts:
Account no.1 (c+ account)
vT - 12 games
vZ - 9 games
vP - 25 games
Account no.2
vT - 11 games
vZ - 11 games
vP - 27 games So I guess theres a ridiculous amount of P at higher levels (when choosing Zerg) and a ridiculous amount of Z at low levels (when choosing toss). Garrr its just frustrating, I stopped laddering because I cant handle anymore pvz
Do you want me to help you with destroying any zerg C or below pvz? My PvT and PvP whre absolute shit when i was protoss, but i always had better pvz, and still do (offrace alot).
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i never ever see terran players anymore, almost every game i join is against a Z or P player, after a while i just started leaving them in search of ZvT but it's hard to find
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On December 15 2009 22:46 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2009 22:40 TheAntZ wrote:On December 15 2009 22:30 Camlito wrote:
My 2 main iCCup accounts:
Account no.1 (c+ account)
vT - 12 games
vZ - 9 games
vP - 25 games
Account no.2
vT - 11 games
vZ - 11 games
vP - 27 games So I guess theres a ridiculous amount of P at higher levels (when choosing Zerg) and a ridiculous amount of Z at low levels (when choosing toss). Garrr its just frustrating, I stopped laddering because I cant handle anymore pvz Do you want me to help you with destroying any zerg C or below pvz? My PvT and PvP whre absolute shit when i was protoss, but i always had better pvz, and still do (offrace alot).
That'd be pretty sweet, if you have the time o.o I'd really appreciate it :D
Mostly its just macro woes imo, pvt and pvp are more straightforward, in pvz it seems I cant get my army composition/macro on straight
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TvZ 209
TvP 222
TvT 71
For this season, without dodging races. You need a larger sample.
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United States2096 Posts
Zerg players have a natural instinct to hunt down PvZ whiners. We sense your weakness.
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winning pvz at d/d+/c- level is about scouting the cheese, defending it, and winning with zealots. thats it.
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Zerg 5-8 | 38.5% | 13 games
vZ 0-0 | 0%
vP 0-2 | 0%
vT 5-6 | 45.5%
Protoss 2-0 | 100% | 2 games
vZ 0-0 | 0%
vP 2-0 | 100%
vT 0-0 | 0%
Terran 12-15 | 44.4% | 27 games
vZ 11-6 | 64.7%
vP 1-9 | 10%
vT 0-0 | 0%
oh fuck yes
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [TSL account stats] +Zerg 0-0 | 0% | 0 games
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
Protoss 6-1 | 85.7% | 7 games
1-0 | 100%
3-0 | 100%
2-1 | 66.7% (Toss imba rofl)
Terran 18-10 | 64.3% | 28 games
8-3 | 72.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
8-5 | 61.5%
2-2 | 50%
Total
9-3 | 75%
11-5 | 68.8%
4-3 | 57.1%
+ Show Spoiler [Practice acc stats] +Zerg 4-2 | 66.7% | 6 games
1-0 | 100%
0-2 | 0%
3-0 | 100%
Protoss 3-2 | 60% | 5 games
0-1 | 0%
1-1 | 50%
2-0 | 100%
Terran 9-2 | 81.8% | 11 games
4-0 | 100% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-2 | 71.4%
0-0 | 0%
Total
5-1 | 83.3%
6-5 | 54.5%
5-0 | 100%
+ Show Spoiler [Main acc] +Zerg 7-4 | 63.6% | 11 games
0-1 | 0%
2-0 | 100%
5-3 | 62.5%
Protoss 7-10 | 41.2% | 17 games
1-2 | 33.3%
1-2 | 33.3%
5-6 | 45.5%
Terran 28-14 | 66.7% | 42 games
23-7 | 76.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-7 | 41.7%
0-0 | 0%
Total
24-10 | 70.6%
8-9 | 47.1%
10-9 | 52.6%
\o/
35-10 in TvZ 
TvZ's fun and easy, so...
SWITCH TO TERRAN
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
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Man PvZ is easy, just forge FE, make cannons for muta and go for timing attack with 3-4 gate zlots with +1 attack and legs, old school.
Yeah I won 100% PvZ with this (3games) 
But can I add a question?
Why is it that on D level only protoss players wait to the last second before selecting their race?
This season I have seen <5 protoss select their race before the end of countdown and I´ve played about 250 games total. Do they do this only against Terrans?
Also there was a few games where the gametitle said TvZ and then they changed to toss... But that was probably just Zim.
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i've been playin against a lot of z's myself lately, though mostly cuz protoss' hate pvp.
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I typically play protoss, but lately if they choose protoss I'll switch to zerg. got nothing against pvp though, and ill play that 2 out of 5.
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United States11393 Posts
On December 15 2009 23:50 Camlito wrote:
Kona 100% right
I thought you would have said 50% tbh.
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I play a lot of TvZ against Mazar, who's on your CPL team. I'd be glad to give you some PvT practice next season.
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so this is a not-so-carefully disguised imba blog isn't it? and your sample is so large that it makes sense to extrapolate it to the entire starcraft scene.
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that's what you protoss get
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On December 15 2009 22:38 heyoka wrote:
The race you have up when you get ready to start the game will have an impact on what races you are likely to face
presumably because people hate mirrors but I don't remember what conclusion I came to when I actually did the experiment
I think I speak for most people who can't make their own games, that we absolutely hate getting banned, and we sacrifice any preferences just to get a game started. Since people almost always ban you if they're zerg and you choose zerg, it's preferable to just play off race. Moreover, if the OP is Toss, most people don't feel like playing TvP I think (not as sexy/romantic as ZvP).
At the OP: You probably see significantly fewer Toss at D levels because it's easier to move up to C ranks with Toss. When no one knows what they're really doing, toss gets an advantage because they're just kind of husky. I'm not saying Protoss is easy here, I'm just saying that when there's no micro/good strategy, toss wins. Otherwise it really depends on the map and the player's skillsets.
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On December 16 2009 01:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Man PvZ is easy, just forge FE, make cannons for muta and go for timing attack with 3-4 gate zlots with +1 attack and legs, old school. Yeah I won 100% PvZ with this (3games) But can I add a question? Why is it that on D level only protoss players wait to the last second before selecting their race? This season I have seen <5 protoss select their race before the end of countdown and I´ve played about 250 games total. Do they do this only against Terrans? Also there was a few games where the gametitle said TvZ and then they changed to toss... But that was probably just Zim.
I dont know, personally I think thats a pretty dick move and I never do it myself.
On December 16 2009 07:55 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2009 22:38 heyoka wrote:
The race you have up when you get ready to start the game will have an impact on what races you are likely to face
presumably because people hate mirrors but I don't remember what conclusion I came to when I actually did the experiment I think I speak for most people who can't make their own games, that we absolutely hate getting banned, and we sacrifice any preferences just to get a game started. Since people almost always ban you if they're zerg and you choose zerg, it's preferable to just play off race. Moreover, if the OP is Toss, most people don't feel like playing TvP I think (not as sexy/romantic as ZvP). At the OP: You probably see significantly fewer Toss at D levels because it's easier to move up to C ranks with Toss. When no one knows what they're really doing, toss gets an advantage because they're just kind of husky. I'm not saying Protoss is easy here, I'm just saying that when there's no micro/good strategy, toss wins. Otherwise it really depends on the map and the player's skillsets.
Yeah lol after camlitos stats thats what I thought too :p
On December 16 2009 07:46 redtooth wrote:
so this is a not-so-carefully disguised imba blog isn't it? and your sample is so large that it makes sense to extrapolate it to the entire starcraft scene.
Now why would I cry imba with a 50% winrate in it? I just know that newbies are more attracted to the race which is easier to learn and play at a low lvl, and in the previous season I had a LOT of pvp. Like 70% pvp. I just wondered If zerg weren't considered the new ez race at low levels because of swarm season etc, thats why D/D+ had so many zergs in it, but obviously there was an alternate explanation :p
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Zerg is mass lurkers easy win.
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ZvZ - 10-11
ZvP - 22-35
ZvT - 21-34
TvZ - 4-7
TvP - 0-3
TvT - 0-1
Total
vZ - 14-18
vP - 22-38
vT - 21-35
I played against a lot of Z as T just because I like TvZ. It's such a sexy mu. But I also like ZvZ.
I wish there were more Z players.
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On December 15 2009 23:07 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler [TSL account stats] +Zerg 0-0 | 0% | 0 games
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
Protoss 6-1 | 85.7% | 7 games
1-0 | 100%
3-0 | 100%
2-1 | 66.7% (Toss imba rofl)
Terran 18-10 | 64.3% | 28 games
8-3 | 72.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
8-5 | 61.5%
2-2 | 50%
Total
9-3 | 75%
11-5 | 68.8%
4-3 | 57.1% Zerg 4-2 | 66.7% | 6 games
1-0 | 100%
0-2 | 0%
3-0 | 100%
Protoss 3-2 | 60% | 5 games
0-1 | 0%
1-1 | 50%
2-0 | 100%
Terran 9-2 | 81.8% | 11 games
4-0 | 100% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-2 | 71.4%
0-0 | 0%
Total
5-1 | 83.3%
6-5 | 54.5%
5-0 | 100% Zerg 7-4 | 63.6% | 11 games
0-1 | 0%
2-0 | 100%
5-3 | 62.5%
Protoss 7-10 | 41.2% | 17 games
1-2 | 33.3%
1-2 | 33.3%
5-6 | 45.5%
Terran 28-14 | 66.7% | 42 games
23-7 | 76.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-7 | 41.7%
0-0 | 0%
Total
24-10 | 70.6%
8-9 | 47.1%
10-9 | 52.6% \o/ 35-10 in TvZ TvZ's fun and easy, so... SWITCH TO TERRAN
TvZ = 28-42 | 40%
TvP = 53-33 | 61.6%
TvT = 4-5 | 44.4%
What is the secret? Seriously.
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On December 16 2009 10:58 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2009 23:07 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler [TSL account stats] +Zerg 0-0 | 0% | 0 games
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
Protoss 6-1 | 85.7% | 7 games
1-0 | 100%
3-0 | 100%
2-1 | 66.7% (Toss imba rofl)
Terran 18-10 | 64.3% | 28 games
8-3 | 72.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
8-5 | 61.5%
2-2 | 50%
Total
9-3 | 75%
11-5 | 68.8%
4-3 | 57.1% Zerg 4-2 | 66.7% | 6 games
1-0 | 100%
0-2 | 0%
3-0 | 100%
Protoss 3-2 | 60% | 5 games
0-1 | 0%
1-1 | 50%
2-0 | 100%
Terran 9-2 | 81.8% | 11 games
4-0 | 100% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-2 | 71.4%
0-0 | 0%
Total
5-1 | 83.3%
6-5 | 54.5%
5-0 | 100% Zerg 7-4 | 63.6% | 11 games
0-1 | 0%
2-0 | 100%
5-3 | 62.5%
Protoss 7-10 | 41.2% | 17 games
1-2 | 33.3%
1-2 | 33.3%
5-6 | 45.5%
Terran 28-14 | 66.7% | 42 games
23-7 | 76.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-7 | 41.7%
0-0 | 0%
Total
24-10 | 70.6%
8-9 | 47.1%
10-9 | 52.6% \o/ 35-10 in TvZ TvZ's fun and easy, so... SWITCH TO TERRAN TvZ = 28-42 | 40% TvP = 53-33 | 61.6% TvT = 4-5 | 44.4% What is the secret? Seriously.
According to ret, the secret is nonstop scv and army production. Go figure O:
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 16 2009 10:58 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2009 23:07 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler [TSL account stats] +Zerg 0-0 | 0% | 0 games
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
0-0 | 0%
Protoss 6-1 | 85.7% | 7 games
1-0 | 100%
3-0 | 100%
2-1 | 66.7% (Toss imba rofl)
Terran 18-10 | 64.3% | 28 games
8-3 | 72.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
8-5 | 61.5%
2-2 | 50%
Total
9-3 | 75%
11-5 | 68.8%
4-3 | 57.1% Zerg 4-2 | 66.7% | 6 games
1-0 | 100%
0-2 | 0%
3-0 | 100%
Protoss 3-2 | 60% | 5 games
0-1 | 0%
1-1 | 50%
2-0 | 100%
Terran 9-2 | 81.8% | 11 games
4-0 | 100% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-2 | 71.4%
0-0 | 0%
Total
5-1 | 83.3%
6-5 | 54.5%
5-0 | 100% Zerg 7-4 | 63.6% | 11 games
0-1 | 0%
2-0 | 100%
5-3 | 62.5%
Protoss 7-10 | 41.2% | 17 games
1-2 | 33.3%
1-2 | 33.3%
5-6 | 45.5%
Terran 28-14 | 66.7% | 42 games
23-7 | 76.7% <- TvZ fuck yaer
5-7 | 41.7%
0-0 | 0%
Total
24-10 | 70.6%
8-9 | 47.1%
10-9 | 52.6% \o/ 35-10 in TvZ TvZ's fun and easy, so... SWITCH TO TERRAN TvZ = 28-42 | 40% TvP = 53-33 | 61.6% TvT = 4-5 | 44.4% What is the secret? Seriously.
Kona's TvZ is unbelievably good for his rank 
or.. it's TvZ imba
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