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Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder

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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
December 08 2009 07:30 GMT
#1
I've had sleeping troubles since high school. I've racked up a massive sleep deficit, and rarely get a good night of sleep 1 or 2 days out of a week. I've gone to doctors and my school's student health center. Neither of them helped me a wink.

I got in bed at 11:30. I tossed and turned, feeling really tired but not being able to fall asleep until 1:30 when I got out of bed and decided to listen to something boring. I figured I'd fall asleep eventually, but that doesn't look like its happening tonight.

This sleeping thing is affecting my grades. I might lose a scholarship I need next semester because I often can't wake up for class, or I'm so out of it in class that its just not worth it.

I googled "sleep troubles" and came across this:
Hi. I am a 28 year old girl from Nottingham, England. I have had trouble sleeping since I was about 18. I am awake at night and very tired in the day. I just can't wait up at all. At the end of the day, I go home exhausted but then at 10.00 I seem to wake up! This is so annoying. In the end, I get tearful. I also have nightmares and think there is a ghost in my bedroom for which I keep switching the light on and looking round my room. I get headaches and feel and look terrible all day. I also have anxiety too. I have heard about lightboxes being able to help sleep disorders also something to do with cortisone levels. Could you enlighten me on this? Is there any alternative health treatments worth investigating e.g. hypnotherapy, herbs etc etc.

This is me. This is my exact problem. And it was answered by this:
Hi Jo,
This sounds like delayed sleep phase syndrome, and that's what the light boxes are used for. Another possibility that might help you is the food supplement melatonin, but I don't know if it's available in Great Britain or not. It's sold in health food stores and drugstores in the U.S., but here in Canada, where I live, it isn't available.


More info (from wiki):
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Delayed sleep-phase syndrome (DSPS), also known as delayed sleep-phase disorder (DSPD) or delayed sleep-phase type (DSPT), is a circadian rhythm sleep disorder, a chronic disorder of the timing of sleep, peak period of alertness, core body temperature, hormonal and other daily rhythms relative to societal norms. People with DSPS tend to fall asleep some hours after midnight and have difficulty waking up in the morning.

Often, people with the disorder report that they cannot sleep until early morning, but fall asleep at about the same time every "night". Unless they have another sleep disorder such as sleep apnea in addition to DSPS, patients can sleep well and have a normal need for sleep. Therefore, they find it very difficult to wake up in time for a typical school or work day. If, however, they are allowed to follow their own schedules, e.g. sleeping from 4 a.m. to noon, they sleep soundly, awaken spontaneously, and do not experience excessive daytime sleepiness.

The syndrome usually develops in early childhood or adolescence. An adolescent version disappears in adolescence or early adulthood; otherwise it is a lifelong condition. Depending on the severity, it can be to a greater or lesser degree treatable. Prevalence among adults, equally distributed among women and men, is approximately 0.15% or three in 2000.

DSPS was first formally described in 1981 by Dr. Elliot D. Weitzman and others at Montefiore Medical Center. It is responsible for 7–10% of patient complaints of chronic insomnia. However, as few doctors are aware of its existence, it often goes untreated or is treated inappropriately; DSPS is frequently misdiagnosed as primary insomnia or as a psychiatric condition.


In addition to this, also find food disgusting in the mornings, but not all mornings.

I need help. I need to fix this. It is literally turning me into an emotionless robot, and I'm starting to have thoughts that I can't control (really nasty ones). I find myself laughing less, being less happy and more negative (despite a too-optimistic outlook). The world doesn't operate on my schedule (except for breaks).

“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 08 2009 07:34 GMT
#2
Marijuana. A bowl a half hour or so before bedtime will have you ready to go to sleep when you want to.
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Fixed
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
December 08 2009 07:36 GMT
#3
It use to take me like 2 hours to fall asleep. Then i realized im just a night person and cant go to bed at 10 or 11 pm like most people. Then i started going to bed at like 4-6 am. Sleep like a baby. I work swing shift so it all works out. I also find food gross for the first 3 hours or so after i get up.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 08 2009 07:46 GMT
#4
do you exercise? I sometimes have trouble sleeping but once I started swimming 30-40 minutes every two days I found it was easier for me to fall asleep
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
December 08 2009 08:11 GMT
#5
Ghermination is correct again with his earthy street-smart wisdom.

One joint will do, make sure it doesn't make you too paranoid to sleep though.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20161 Posts
December 08 2009 08:51 GMT
#6
reading into the description kinda describes me. For instance i went to bed at 4 last night, woke up at 10, went to class, worked all day, and lifted at around 9. here i am at 4 am still really awake, but i'll be super tired again at 10 when i wake up and for a few hours after until i work out or take a nap. Also, some times i'll be super tired around 9-10 and then be wide awake by the time i want to go to sleep. I wouldn't say it's ever adversely affected me, its just annoying that it takes ~1 hour to go to sleep if i don't stay up really late. also if i sleep from like 5-12 i'll be alert and not groggy or anything but if i sleep like 2-10 i'll still be really tired when i wake up.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9580 Posts
December 08 2009 08:52 GMT
#7
I'd have to agree with lazz here. I know you said you exercise some, but maybe it isn't enough? If you're restless at night, you should burn more energy in daytime. Run, swim, play sports, any activity with tiring physical exercise should help. If it wont work, I think you should seek professional help again, despite it didn't help you the first time. Maybe ask your parents to take you to a real clinic, not just a doctor. Maybe go to a psychiatrist also, not to say you're crazy or anything like that, but this problem might have a psychological background.
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uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 08:56:10
December 08 2009 08:55 GMT
#8
this may be an extreme but it does help me. Just pull an all nighter one time and don't take any naps the next day. By that night you should be exhausted. Then you should be able to sleep by midnight. After that exercise everyday a little before dinner. This will take enough energy out of you so you can fall asleep at a decent time.

This essentially resets my internal clock. hope it helps!
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
December 08 2009 09:13 GMT
#9
I'm almost positive you don't have sort've disorder; you're probably just a fucking young person.

Everyone knows we procrastinate with everything, including going to sleep... one of the biggest causes of insomnia is irregular sleep patterns. If you mess with your body's internal clock at all (ie, stay up late to party on the weekend, or even just stay up late random weeknights playing video games or watching starcraft matches) you're going to suffer these symptoms.

I would recommend...

For the next week or two, document your sleep patterns. Write down when you start to feel tired, when you actually go to sleep (estimating, obviously ^_^) the time you wake up, and how you feel when you wake up the next day. Try to adhere very strictly to the same 'go to bed' time every night you can, even weekends. After just a few days/weeks, I can almost guarantee you'll see a huge improvement.
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 08 2009 10:18 GMT
#10
exercise before you sleep. sweat hard, take a shower and youll be snoozing

what is your current lifestyle like? do you sit in front of the computer all day?
HEY MEYT
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
December 08 2009 10:30 GMT
#11
Oh god it is 5am and I am watching Hite lose lose lose. TT
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sS.NuB
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Angola107 Posts
December 08 2009 12:39 GMT
#12
I will honestly tell you this.. I was just like you before I started smoking weed. Yesterday.. the first thing I did when I got home was get high ( low tolerance ) and then as soon as it hit 8 I fell asleep. I woke up at 5:30 better then ever! I really suggest smoking weed, but if you dislike that whole idea I'm just saying, its just a suggestion. =D
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-08 13:26:54
December 08 2009 13:13 GMT
#13
Don't listen to the idiots telling you to smoke to sleep.
Couple things about weed sleep... I know better than the idiots saying to smoke it.
You don't dream very well on weed. I enjoy the dreaming.
It's not a very refreshing sleep and the morning after is often groggy, especially close to bed time.
(I'm assuming you can't schedule a full 9 hours into your sleep daily, it's usually how it is)

Get a bottle of melatonin if things get really bad.
Melatonin is supposed to some fuckn miracle in a pill anyways. Something about health benefits here and there, some anti cancer anti aging super duper life bonus 1up!
I actually use melatonin time to time and uh.. nice lucid dreams! weeee
And it definitely works, although at one point I was up to 15gs (recommended 5g) to have effect.
You do build up tolerance but first time users should have no problem getting drowsy.

It's not habit forming, you just build tolerance to it. But yeah, I'm +1 for melatonin..

Go to CVS, pick up the blue bottle of Extra Strength Melatonin. Thank me later.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
December 08 2009 13:42 GMT
#14
On December 08 2009 16:34 ghermination wrote:
Marijuana. A bowl a half hour or so before bedtime will have you ready to go to sleep when you want to.


if he doesn't already smoke, for sure.
KTY
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 08 2009 14:09 GMT
#15
I went to bed at 11PM
I laid in bed in the dark, eyes closed until 7AM
I got less than 3 hours of actual sleep

this is standard
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
December 08 2009 14:15 GMT
#16
I'd have to agree on ETT on this one. Habits play a huge part in sleep patterns. Just look at me now. After a couple of days staying up ludicrously late because of procrastination, I am now effectively nocturnal with around 5-6 hours of sleep a day.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
December 08 2009 16:28 GMT
#17
On December 08 2009 23:09 fusionsdf wrote:
I went to bed at 11PM
I laid in bed in the dark, eyes closed until 7AM
I got less than 3 hours of actual sleep

this is standard

loooooooooooooooool

u guys suck so bad
I can't imagine my life without good sleep, i love it so much.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
December 08 2009 16:35 GMT
#18
I use Melatonin whenever I want to get my sleep cycle back into sync. It's great never fails
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stoned_rabbit
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States324 Posts
December 08 2009 18:55 GMT
#19
Sleep rocks, but yeah if you really wanna get good at sleeping, exercise your ass off, then at like 9pm smoke some weed. You'll be out like a light.

And to whoever said that weed sleep isnt good, that's very not true. I used to smoke weed every night and I slept like a brick. It was lovely.

Or, if you don't like weed, do what ETT said.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
December 08 2009 19:30 GMT
#20
Used to have this problem, then i started exercising, and it dissapeared, recently I stopped exercising, and it's back, guess what I'm going to do this week.
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