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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 21:30:06
November 02 2009 21:24 GMT
#1
So I woke up yesterday morning with a shitty cough and a fever of 39, my whole body hurts, and my entire chest is filled with phlegm. JUST WONDERFUL.

It's somewhat amusing considering how I could be quoted saying the odds of getting swine flu are astronomically low, but hey, I guess there is still a 93% chance its not H1N1 according to the rates of actual cases vs reported cases. I was planning on getting vaccinated tomorrow... thats Murphy's law for you.

I would honestly suggest anyone who isn't planning to get the vaccine to get it, if you look at the numbers on the CDC website relating to confirmed cases of swine flu and compare them to vaccine studies from independents, you will find that you are much more likely to die from swine flu than get a side effect. The amount of apathy and paranoia regarding these vaccines is just truly amazing, and while I admit the odds of me dieing from this shit (if its even H1N1) are extremely small, boy is it no fun. It's pretty much sitting on the bench of life for 3-5 days. If you are unlucky, unhealthy, or a child you also can get pneumonia and become hospitalized.

Sure the hype is massively overinflated, sure you are about 15 times more likely to die in a car accident this year than get the swine flu, but hey, the odds of a vaccine side effect are roughly 1 in 800000, and even this number is said to be inflated considering that people who get vaccines often have other coinciding health problems. Fun fact: Your lifetime odds of dieing from hot water are roughly the same as the 1 time odds of getting vaccine side effects.

If possible, go out and get the shot, honestly, this shit is not fun at all, and by sitting idle, you are just allowing to it spread even more. If you aren't convinced by some random kid ranting on TL.net (as you shouldn't be) go do some research. You will find that the hard evidence supporting vaccinations is massively more abundant than the nay-sayers. I implore you to read carefully and critically, think about who wrote the article you are reading, why they are qualified, and where they got their information. Just because you read an article that said some kid died from the vaccine doesn't mean the vaccine is bad, ask questions like: "Did he have other health problems?" "What was his cause of death as determined by autopsy?" etc. Do the same for my side of the argument as well, because there is just as much shitty journalism pumping the H1N1 fear.

Most of all, remember to eat healthy and drive carefully, because it is far more important.

Sources: (Because I'm so tired of baseless arguments about this shit)

Article from Associated Press Talking about rates of side effects, and how they may not even be any higher than the normal occurences in people without vaccination: (Follow link at the bottom for the scholarly article).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hYQQr8sC2g9sJmnKhlC0pGsLdTYQD9BLNSI00

General info from the CDC, pretty much everything you need to know:
http://www.flu.gov/index.html

Couldn't find the original report from the NSC, but heres an article summing up your odds of dieing from various causes:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050106_odds_of_dying.html

ECDC info about seasonal influzenza and vaccination:
http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/Pages/Influenza_Vaccination.aspx (download the PDF if you are curious).


NOTE: If you are a conspiracy theorist who doesn't trust their government or scholarly articles based upon international communities of scientists, do not attempt to argue your point without some kind of supporting evidence. Arguing using baseless assumptions will result in being banned from my blog.

Saying something like "then why would the US government set up roadblock drills?" or "but why do we see articles about people dieing or being paralyzed after getting the vaccines" ARE PERFECTLY FINE. What I don't want to see is "the vaccine is more of a risk than the flu" or "the flu vaccine is a secret conspiracy to weaken those its given to in order to reduce the global population" or "aerial contrails are a form of soft-biological weapon". If you plan to make claims like these without supporting information from reliable, reasonable sources, do not bother posting.



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VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
November 02 2009 21:27 GMT
#2
I won't be getting the vaccine because I'm confident my immune system can handle a fucking cold.

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A nasty one, but my point still stands
Shitposting
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
November 02 2009 21:31 GMT
#3
On November 03 2009 06:27 VorcePA wrote:
I won't be getting the vaccine because I'm confident my immune system can handle a fucking cold.

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A nasty one, but my point still stands

Cytokine storm -> gg :D
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 21:33:15
November 02 2009 21:31 GMT
#4
while i do agree with the effectiveness of vaccines and condemn the conspiracy theorists that the gov. is trying to kill us all, i think it would be more convincing if your provided sources were non-governmental academic journals instead of reports from official government/government supported websites.
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Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
November 02 2009 21:32 GMT
#5
Its not as bad as you think. The media overhypes this ordeal too easily.
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 02 2009 21:34 GMT
#6
I have second hand knowledge from doctors that this vaccine is causing brain damage in a wide variety of people I'll pass.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
November 02 2009 21:42 GMT
#7
On November 03 2009 06:34 iSiN wrote:
I have second hand knowledge from doctors that this vaccine is causing brain damage in a wide variety of people I'll pass.


Proof please.
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 21:43 GMT
#8
On November 03 2009 06:27 VorcePA wrote:
I won't be getting the vaccine because I'm confident my immune system can handle a fucking cold.

+ Show Spoiler +
A nasty one, but my point still stands


You should look up the death rates by age group. Sure you may have an immaculate health record like myself, and only get sick maybe once a year, but look at these numbers: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm . Over 50% of hospitalizations and deaths are between ages 5-49, 33% of those being people from the ages of 19-49. This age group contains individuals with the least number of health problems and the strongest immune systems. The reason behind this is due to the 1976 swine flu outbreak. Those in the older age groups have been exposed already, and as a result have the anntibodies. Although not explicitly confirmed, some doctors say that the H1N1 could potentially induce a cytokine storm. A cytokine storm (based on my limited knowledge) is when your immune system overreacts, inducing fluid build up in the lungs, which can cause pneumonia or asphyxiation.
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/05/06/H1N1-flu-may-induce-a-cytokine-storm/UPI-50901241584708/ Sure the swine flu has an only slightly higher death rate than the normal flu, but its killing people in younger age groups, not the elderly.

Ultimately with proper medical care your chances of dieing are pretty much 0, but I want to ask you this: What if H1N1 were to infect 30% of the population over the next 6 months. Do you really think everyone will have access to the proper treatment of severe pneumonia? Also, how does your personal choice to not get the vaccine influence others with respect to carrying the virus on? and how will that effect not only the health of those around you, but their productivity and happiness?
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
November 02 2009 21:43 GMT
#9
I have the flu. My stomach is filled with PHLEGM and last night while I was lying in bed I swear my brain was thinking stuff like "I can use math to solve this and get rid of the flu".

In anycase I'm better now, my head hurts less, my throat hurts less, and I can think straight.

No flu shot for me, my immune system is gunna take care of this shit
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 21:45 GMT
#10
On November 03 2009 06:32 Folca wrote:
Its not as bad as you think. The media overhypes this ordeal too easily.



I totally agree, thats why I tried to bring some perspective with the NSC odds of dieing report. 1/5 die from heart disease... seems like a much bigger threat if you ask me .
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 21:47 GMT
#11
On November 03 2009 06:43 kOre wrote:
I have the flu. My stomach is filled with PHLEGM and last night while I was lying in bed I swear my brain was thinking stuff like "I can use math to solve this and get rid of the flu".

In anycase I'm better now, my head hurts less, my throat hurts less, and I can think straight.

No flu shot for me, my immune system is gunna take care of this shit


Yup, the overwhelming majority of the time this is the case. One thing Id like to mention, is that since 93% of the reported cases of H1N1 are other sicknesses including seasonal flu you might want to consider still getting vaccinated once you are healthy.
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 21:48 GMT
#12
On November 03 2009 06:34 iSiN wrote:
I have second hand knowledge from doctors that this vaccine is causing brain damage in a wide variety of people I'll pass.


This is exactly what I'm talking about in the lower portion of my post. Unless you can give me name, artcile, or journal supporting your claim, the information is irrelevant. Banned.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 21:49:39
November 02 2009 21:49 GMT
#13
If you don't get the vaccine, at least get plenty of Vitamin D. There hasn't been a large-scale study on it yet, but it looks promising. Even if it turns out to be wrong, 5000IU per day won't hurt you unless you have one of a handful of pre-existing conditions (or you're already getting more than enough from the sun, which isn't possible in most of the US this time of year, and definitely not in our icy hat).
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Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 21:53 GMT
#14
On November 03 2009 06:31 Railxp wrote:
while i do agree with the effectiveness of vaccines and condemn the conspiracy theorists that the gov. is trying to kill us all, i think it would be more convincing if your provided sources were non-governmental academic journals instead of reports from official government/government supported websites.


I agree, the problem is that access to scholarly articles that provide relevant information to the discussion isn't exactly abundant. If I could remember my login for my online library from university I would totally check it out. Personally I trust the CDC, and ECDC, but I see where you are coming from. Often governments will introduce some bias, possibly over-hyping the situation, but hey, at least its not fox news.
Leg[end]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States241 Posts
November 02 2009 22:02 GMT
#15
On November 03 2009 06:34 iSiN wrote:
I have second hand knowledge from doctors that this vaccine is causing brain damage in a wide variety of people I'll pass.


I have first-hand knowledge that your claim is ridiculous.
Legends Never Die ;;
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
November 02 2009 22:51 GMT
#16
On November 03 2009 06:34 iSiN wrote:
I have second hand knowledge from doctors that this vaccine is causing brain damage in a wide variety of people I'll pass.


I have second hand knowledge that you're a martian trying to kill off the human species.
Hi.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
November 02 2009 22:53 GMT
#17
I will not get the vaccination, regardless of what you say or recommend. Not gonna happen.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
November 02 2009 23:37 GMT
#18
On November 03 2009 07:53 Schnake wrote:
I will not get the vaccination, regardless of what you say or recommend. Not gonna happen.


That is your right, just don't make claims without supporting evidence and I have absolutely zero problems.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
November 02 2009 23:47 GMT
#19
getting vaccinated costs money -- otherwise I'd go get one right now.
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-03 00:12:01
November 03 2009 00:11 GMT
#20
On November 03 2009 08:47 eMbrace wrote:
getting vaccinated costs money -- otherwise I'd go get one right now.


It's free in Canada . I guess that is a factor which I did not consider. I'm paying for it whether I get it or not.
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