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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 21 2009 16:54 GMT
#1


And I'm going to tell you why.

A lot of users have recently started using inequalities in their post. For instance, "Being a member of TL does NOT make you a good SC player." Notice the not in saying that the field on the left and the field on the right are unequal.

Now, I continualy see people using two equal signs and a forward slash to represent not equal. That is ugly and wrong and if you do it then you are lame. Use "!=" to represent not equal.


Have a Good Day!

-Cg

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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
October 21 2009 17:00 GMT
#2
hmm

if (1 =/= 2)
{
}
error: expected primary-expression before "/=" token

if (1 != 2)
{
}
build successful

i support this
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 21 2009 17:00 GMT
#3
Your blog is NOT =/= pretentious

n_n; teehee
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 17:01:40
October 21 2009 17:01 GMT
#4
this post != 1 star

this post = 5 stars

edit:dammit ninja'd
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selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
October 21 2009 17:04 GMT
#5
I'm partial to the =/=
I've never seen != used before and it looks awkward...
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Strayline
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States330 Posts
October 21 2009 17:05 GMT
#6
It's worse than that IMO

You would never say like

if(teamliquid.contains(member))
{
assert(member == good)
}

because that would be a terrible equality operator to write.

The member object would never be equal to the good object.

It would really be like:

assert(isGoodPlayer(member));

== is really direct equality not "this predicate applies to this object"
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
October 21 2009 17:10 GMT
#7
My goodness, I never knew.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
October 21 2009 17:11 GMT
#8
Being a TL member =/= knowing correct programming notation for "NOT EQUALS"

next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Jawa~
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States291 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-22 02:57:37
October 21 2009 17:15 GMT
#9
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User was warned for this post.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
October 21 2009 17:16 GMT
#10
Being a TL member =/= having to speak in programming. != does not looks like it means "does not equal", whatever programmers say. =/= does. Hey, if everybody used Macs we could just use the actual sign. (Not saying we should all use Macs, just pointing this out.)
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
October 21 2009 17:17 GMT
#11
why don't you use <> while you're at it too
pfft
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 21 2009 17:20 GMT
#12
!= is a great expression. I support this.
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Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
October 21 2009 17:20 GMT
#13
What's wrong with ≠?
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
October 21 2009 17:23 GMT
#14
On October 22 2009 01:54 cgrinker wrote:


And I'm going to tell you why.


A lot of users have recently started using inequalities in their post. For instance, "Being a member of TL does NOT make you a good SC player." Notice the not in saying that the field on the left and the field on the right are unequal.

Now, I continualy see people using two equal signs and a forward slash to represent not equal. That is ugly and wrong and if you do it then you are lame. Use "!=" to represent not equal.


Have a Good Day!

-Cg


You never explained why it's wrong. You just gave a subjective opinion (that it's ugly). Unless the admins reinforce it, I don't see why this is wrong. This is a gaming forum not a programming forum.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
October 21 2009 17:24 GMT
#15
On October 22 2009 02:23 Chromyne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 01:54 cgrinker wrote:


And I'm going to tell you why.


A lot of users have recently started using inequalities in their post. For instance, "Being a member of TL does NOT make you a good SC player." Notice the not in saying that the field on the left and the field on the right are unequal.

Now, I continualy see people using two equal signs and a forward slash to represent not equal. That is ugly and wrong and if you do it then you are lame. Use "!=" to represent not equal.


Have a Good Day!

-Cg


You never explained why it's wrong. You just gave a subjective opinion (that it's ugly). Unless the admins reinforce it, I don't see why this is wrong. This is a gaming forum not a programming forum.


I think that it's pretty clear that it's an opinion - I think that everyone would agree that as long as you are understandable when you make your argument, that it doesn't matter for clarity's sake.

subjective opinions are allowed...and not enforced.

this almost follows the guide for trolling though xD
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
October 21 2009 17:25 GMT
#16
On October 22 2009 02:20 Hittegods wrote:
What's wrong with ≠?

you have to go to charmap to use it lOL
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tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
October 21 2009 17:35 GMT
#17
From a programming standpoint you're right. From a real world standpoint, nobody cares!

Though seriously, =/= bugs me too. If you can't make a strike through a single =, then use !=, the rational alternative.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 17:42:49
October 21 2009 17:42 GMT
#18
I use != when I can be assured people know what it means. I use =/= when that's not guaranteed. Obviously, the latter applies to TL.net.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
October 21 2009 17:57 GMT
#19
Being a member of TL.net != Programming experience, understanding or interest.
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tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada718 Posts
October 21 2009 18:02 GMT
#20
Maybe most programming languages don't recognize it, but ≠ is a perfectly valid mathematical symbol. I agree that =/= is ugly and nonsensical though; I'd rather see != if people aren't going to bother typing the correct symbol.
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Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
October 21 2009 18:07 GMT
#21
yes, for sure
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 21 2009 18:13 GMT
#22
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:30:59
October 21 2009 18:25 GMT
#23
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 21 2009 18:42 GMT
#24
It's true that it would be better to see people using !=, however many dumb shits don't have a fucking clue what that means because they haven't the foggiest idea what computer code even looks like.

That's why =/= is okay. Because some people are just stupid.

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Dasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States71 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 18:57:37
October 21 2009 18:57 GMT
#25
If everyone here started using != then anybody who has read > 10 threads would know what it =ed. It's ! like it is that hard to figure out...
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 19:08:25
October 21 2009 19:08 GMT
#26
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)


In that case you should be doing ≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠

not =/=
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
October 21 2009 19:10 GMT
#27
On October 22 2009 03:57 Dasher wrote:
would know what it =ed.


This sentence would mean if "it" can be set to "ed", clearly you must mean ==ed.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 21 2009 19:25 GMT
#28
I resent the fact that you're calling me wrong without even knowing what I use.

So from now on I'll be using this: =\=
No I'm never serious.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
October 21 2009 20:04 GMT
#29
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)



Good programming languages use = to test equality and := for assignment imo
However the vast majority of them (including all the ones I use frequently) use the stupid ==
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
October 21 2009 20:09 GMT
#30
I used to use !=, but I got tired of people asking me what that meant. -sigh-
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
October 21 2009 20:12 GMT
#31
whats wrong with:

"Being a member of TL does NOT make you a good SC player."
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
October 21 2009 20:15 GMT
#32
On October 22 2009 02:20 Hittegods wrote:
What's wrong with ≠?

There is no alt # for it outside of Microsoft Word.
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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
October 21 2009 20:30 GMT
#33
This thread =/= cool.
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Symmetry
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada294 Posts
October 21 2009 20:43 GMT
#34
/= and <> should also be considered acceptable ;o
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 21 2009 20:51 GMT
#35
On October 22 2009 02:17 JeeJee wrote:
why don't you use <> while you're at it too
pfft


fuck yes~
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 21 2009 20:55 GMT
#36
I prefer Lua

~=

okay?
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 21 2009 21:56 GMT
#37
On October 22 2009 05:04 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)



Good programming languages use = to test equality and := for assignment imo
However the vast majority of them (including all the ones I use frequently) use the stupid ==


Don't diss C++.
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seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
October 21 2009 22:03 GMT
#38
On October 22 2009 05:55 freelander wrote:
I prefer Lua

~=

okay?

I learned it that way as well, but I always read it as "sorta equals" because I'm so used to using the "~" as "around, approx".
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 21 2009 23:30 GMT
#39
On October 22 2009 07:03 seppolevne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 05:55 freelander wrote:
I prefer Lua

~=

okay?

I learned it that way as well, but I always read it as "sorta equals" because I'm so used to using the "~" as "around, approx".


I started with cpp though
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b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 23:43:30
October 21 2009 23:43 GMT
#40
On October 22 2009 05:04 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)



Good programming languages use = to test equality and := for assignment imo
However the vast majority of them (including all the ones I use frequently) use the stupid ==


in my opinion
Good programming languages uses == to test equality and = for assignment imo.
However a certain few (*coughcough*delphi*cough*) use the stupid = and :=
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 21 2009 23:45 GMT
#41
I generally don't like it when people use math symbols in normal sentences. There's no reason to write everything short hand, TL posts aren't your lecture notes...
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Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
October 22 2009 01:14 GMT
#42
On October 22 2009 08:45 Chef wrote:
I generally don't like it when people use math symbols in normal sentences. There's no reason to write everything short hand, TL posts aren't your lecture notes...

Totally agree... but I get a feeling of awesomeness every time i recognize !=
C'est la vie...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
October 22 2009 01:49 GMT
#43
On October 22 2009 05:43 Symmetry wrote:
/= and <> should also be considered acceptable ;o


/= reminds me too much of a smiley like =\.

<> is probably even less obvious in its meaning than !=.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
October 22 2009 02:05 GMT
#44
On October 22 2009 10:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 05:43 Symmetry wrote:
/= and <> should also be considered acceptable ;o


/= reminds me too much of a smiley like =\.

<> is probably even less obvious in its meaning than !=.


yeah but the whole point is that the OP attaches random value to programming based inequality syntax, of which /= and <> are just as appropriate as !=. in other words they're both just as bad as using != when you're trying to reach the general public (i.e. TL) (although for me != or <> is just habit now really.. i never do =/= i think)
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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 22 2009 02:18 GMT
#45
On October 22 2009 08:43 b3h47pte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 05:04 iSiN wrote:
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)



Good programming languages use = to test equality and := for assignment imo
However the vast majority of them (including all the ones I use frequently) use the stupid ==


in my opinion
Good programming languages uses == to test equality and = for assignment imo.
However a certain few (*coughcough*delphi*cough*) use the stupid = and :=


That's some FORTRAN BS right there
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
October 22 2009 02:20 GMT
#46
On October 22 2009 11:05 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 10:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On October 22 2009 05:43 Symmetry wrote:
/= and <> should also be considered acceptable ;o


/= reminds me too much of a smiley like =\.

<> is probably even less obvious in its meaning than !=.


yeah but the whole point is that the OP attaches random value to programming based inequality syntax, of which /= and <> are just as appropriate as !=. in other words they're both just as bad as using != when you're trying to reach the general public (i.e. TL) (although for me != or <> is just habit now really.. i never do =/= i think)


I'm thinking that =/= is a placeholder for the not equal math symbol ≠ and != is read exactly how it is.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
October 22 2009 03:44 GMT
#47
On October 22 2009 05:04 iSiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)



Good programming languages use = to test equality and := for assignment imo
However the vast majority of them (including all the ones I use frequently) use the stupid ==

Lets see here, one requires the shift key, one requires an addition key press ... yeah I would say == is better than :=.
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 22 2009 04:09 GMT
#48
=/= is like any emoticon or bit of ASCII art: it's a makeshift arrangement of common characters to represent characters that are harder to type directly. It's perfectly logical, unlike your OP.
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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
October 22 2009 05:46 GMT
#49
On October 22 2009 13:09 qrs wrote:
=/= is like any emoticon or bit of ASCII art: it's a makeshift arrangement of common characters to represent characters that are harder to type directly. It's perfectly logical, unlike your OP.


honestly. you socially inept retards who use != are retarded.
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H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
October 22 2009 05:55 GMT
#50
On October 22 2009 14:46 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 13:09 qrs wrote:
=/= is like any emoticon or bit of ASCII art: it's a makeshift arrangement of common characters to represent characters that are harder to type directly. It's perfectly logical, unlike your OP.


honestly. you socially inept retards who use != are retarded.


this was basically what I was going to say but it was going to be cruder.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 22 2009 06:38 GMT
#51
On October 22 2009 04:08 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2009 03:25 Kaniol wrote:
OMG programmers... != is programming habit, =/= is mathematic habit. Sorry i study maths, not I.T. and thus i will keep writing =/=.
Same as i never write "Zerg == aliens", but i do "Zerg = aliens" since its mathematical way of writing.
Plus =/= is understood by every1, but != only by ppl who had some contact with programming, try writing this to "casual" people (who don't know anything about programming) - they won't understand.

</end post> (Oh crap...)


In that case you should be doing ≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠≠

not =/=

And once again, if i'm not programmer and my keybord DOESN'T HAVE ≠ button? But it does have = and /, hence i can make =/=
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
October 22 2009 12:18 GMT
#52
5!=120
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
October 22 2009 13:27 GMT
#53
im gonna keep using =/= because i want to.
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tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada718 Posts
October 27 2009 05:12 GMT
#54
On October 22 2009 15:38 Kaniol wrote:
And once again, if i'm not programmer and my keybord DOESN'T HAVE ≠ button? But it does have = and /, hence i can make =/=

that's why he posted a whole bunch up there. so whenever you need one you can just get it from there
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raiame
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October 27 2009 06:24 GMT
#55
On October 22 2009 21:18 JohannesH wrote:
5!=120

1!=1
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Taiwan1439 Posts
October 27 2009 07:02 GMT
#56
On October 22 2009 08:45 Chef wrote:
I generally don't like it when people use math symbols in normal sentences. There's no reason to write everything short hand, TL posts aren't your lecture notes...


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