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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 23:02:12
September 28 2009 03:24 GMT
#1
Notes:

(This is a bit of a depressing blog, but I need to air the issues in it so I can change my attitude before the beginning of the new season.)

+ Show Spoiler +
I was speaking to Lilsusie over MSN this morning and describing to her how I feel as though my internship with Fomos isn't a success. So far the bulk of the comments for the first two articles were complaints from the Korean netizens about the lack of a translation.

Then I posted my eSTRO manager interview and received only 11 comments plus it was dropped off the front page within five hours or so of being published.

The article has gotten a lot of comments here on TL once I reposted it, but that doesn't help the initial humiliation I felt when it came to posting it on Fomos. The same can be said for the conclusion of the Violet Introduction project - where are you FanCafe members?

It's hard not to feel a little daunted by this prospect of little to no feedback when I have two huge projects lined up (100 Messages and JD Card.) I might still enjoy this work, but despite Susie's advice I'm the kind of person who thrives on feeling as though she is contributing something that matters.

I'm incapable of looking at my own work and saying it's good most of the time. (That feels kind of arrogant to me.) Konadora and Smix spoke of something similar regarding people not commenting on finished translations. I understand how they felt at the time.

My work remains unpaid and my equipment costs *a lot* of money. I'd estimate 3/4 of my monthly salary goes on eSports related items (lenses, project supplies and transport to matches.) However, without comments I don't have the motivation to give up my evenings and weekends to do the work. I'm attempting to remember all the projects that have received lots of feedback, but it's difficult to find inspiration lately.

In response to my own problems with motivation I wanted to try and understand what kinds of projects TL members will care about. I am limited by not being able to translate without help, but I can do most other things.

I have to keep reminding myself I'm writing/working for a demographic that is totally different to many of the fans here in Seoul. I'm not sure exactly what Teen-20something and beyond men enjoy when it comes to connecting them with the Korean scene.

So any ideas for future projects and a way to get out of my YellOw phase would be gratefully received. I'm not expecting a million comments for every single photo I post, but having to urge my friends to comment and bumping the thread myself to even get past 20 comments on something stuff is kind of depressing.

I have to make a choice in January whether to stay in Korea or to go home. It's very heavily dependant upon Teamliquid and if I still feel as if I'm doing something worthwhile for everyone.

Susie told me not to try to please everyone, but when it comes to eSports photography and other journalism I can't really help at least trying.

I'm taking a week off over Chuseok from doing live events to think long and hard about how to motivate myself for the new season and my own expectations of my work/the response to it.

I want to keep working hard for everyone and to move past these issues I have with confidence and worrying about a lack of comment feedback.

****
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 28 2009 03:27 GMT
#2
Well whatever happens it was good experience, right?
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
September 28 2009 03:32 GMT
#3
I don't think it has much to with us not caring. This month has just been a complete dump for eSports imo. No leagues, and only the UPC/map tests which not many people actually care about. I'm sure there will be more people that will pay attention when the PL starts up again!

don't quit nevergg we love you <3
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 28 2009 03:33 GMT
#4
No matter what you decide, your posts, pictures, and projects have all been things that I've greatly enjoyed my entire time hear on tl. Thanks for everything you've done and I hope you find some good motivation :D
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
September 28 2009 03:38 GMT
#5
just so you know, ive ALWAYS enjoyed your work.
never gg, nevergg
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
September 28 2009 03:43 GMT
#6
NeverGG, you bring at least 30% of the awesome that makes up TL. I usually don't comment in your threads, but I will post in every one now on. I truly admire you for doing something not for your own reward, but just because you love it enough to do it. That's true passion, and I don't think there is one of us here who doesn't deeply appreciate your passion for our "sport".
As for what projects to choose, do what you can and are willing to do! I'm sure almost all the things you do have the full support of TLnetters everywhere!
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Meteor
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada25 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 03:51:35
September 28 2009 03:50 GMT
#7
don't give up, your'e still creating quality work in my eyes!
CookieswithMilk
Profile Joined September 2009
23 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 03:55:10
September 28 2009 03:52 GMT
#8
I've always enjoy the projects you've brought to tl, as a member that's new to the tl scene. You're work are always worthwhile to read and alot of your pictures are really rendered in great quality. I hope u find ur motivation to continue.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25977 Posts
September 28 2009 03:56 GMT
#9
Pics of cute asian girls = many hits.

Seriously.
Moderator
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
September 28 2009 04:06 GMT
#10
On September 28 2009 12:56 Chill wrote:
Pics of cute asian girls = many hits.

Seriously.


Usually yes, but my recent blog of 2NE1 and SNSD photos barely topped 20 comments. I was really shocked since boobs/legs usually do = many comments.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
September 28 2009 04:07 GMT
#11
wait what where
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
September 28 2009 04:08 GMT
#12
On September 28 2009 12:56 Chill wrote:
Pics of cute asian girls = many hits.

Seriously.


Chill is the moderator of the strategy forum for a reason.


I'd advise you not to make your choice based on what TL says. And if you wondered, everyone on TL appreciates your work. I think its something you need to decide for yourself, don't do something you don't want to do because of us. I appreciate everything you do, but I don't want you to be unhappy even if it means we get less amazing pictures, great articles, and interviews.
Aegraen #1 Fan!
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 28 2009 04:10 GMT
#13
....why do comments matter so much to you? Are you doing it for personal gratification? Look at the views on your threads before you martyr please. I like and appreciate your work but i refuse to post in your threads because if it isn't a glowing review you become offended to your core. I know a lot of others feel this way and have commented on it before. You should be doing this because you enjoy doing it for YOU - not anyone else.
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
September 28 2009 04:11 GMT
#14
I normally don't post on your threads but I just want to say that I really enjoyed your pictures and your contributions!
Even though I think that your work for TL is just awesome, I'm not sure if staying in Korea is the best option and it would really suck if staying there was a mistake.
But if you decide to leave Korea, I hope you will remember the times as good memories, and not as some kind of disaster because I'm sure your work did a lot of good for us.
Good luck!
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 04:21:23
September 28 2009 04:17 GMT
#15
On September 28 2009 13:10 Kennigit wrote:
....why do comments matter so much to you? Are you doing it for personal gratification? Look at the views on your threads before you martyr please. I like and appreciate your work but i refuse to post in your threads because if it isn't a glowing review you become offended to your core. I know a lot of others feel this way and have commented on it before. You should be doing this because you enjoy doing it for YOU - not anyone else.

err...im just speculating here, but:
she puts a lot of effort and into her work. i think it can be a little demoralizing to get less than 20 comments on a thread. nothing wrong with asking for a little recognition.
edit: nvm, i thought you were talking about the quantity of the posts on the first read
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 28 2009 04:24 GMT
#16
On September 28 2009 13:17 lighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2009 13:10 Kennigit wrote:
....why do comments matter so much to you? Are you doing it for personal gratification? Look at the views on your threads before you martyr please. I like and appreciate your work but i refuse to post in your threads because if it isn't a glowing review you become offended to your core. I know a lot of others feel this way and have commented on it before. You should be doing this because you enjoy doing it for YOU - not anyone else.

err...im just speculating here, but:
she puts a lot of effort and into her work. i think it can be a little demoralizing to get less than 20 comments on a thread. nothing wrong with asking for a little recognition.
edit: nvm, i thought you were talking about the quantity of the posts on the first read

I think i addressed the issue with people commenting. I don't want to write "GREAT JOB" everytime someone posts something - i'm about making thinks better through constructive criticism. Ask great as nevergg's work is, she's made it clear many times that she doesn't find that acceptable.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 28 2009 04:35 GMT
#17
when my threads dont get many replies i also get really pissed off

good thing that never happens LOL
why so 진지해?
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
September 28 2009 04:38 GMT
#18
On September 28 2009 13:10 Kennigit wrote:
....why do comments matter so much to you? Are you doing it for personal gratification? Look at the views on your threads before you martyr please. I like and appreciate your work but i refuse to post in your threads because if it isn't a glowing review you become offended to your core. I know a lot of others feel this way and have commented on it before. You should be doing this because you enjoy doing it for YOU - not anyone else.


This.
I have been working for the site for the past 2 1/2 years and what physical rewards have I gotten out of it? None at all.
I work here because I love the stuff that I do. I may be a donkey in the staff forums but I still love contributing.
Commentator
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 04:50:13
September 28 2009 04:42 GMT
#19
this all stems from the other shit nevergg has whined about on her other blogs

keep hittin the gym nevergg, build some self confidence then u will find gratification from whatever u love no matter what other ppl say/think

edit: i mean seriously, ur decision whether to leave korea or not depends on the feedback u get on tl.net?

heres the facts: ppl on tl.net like and enjoy ur work but they dont give a fuck enough to post OMG NEVERGG UR THE GREATEST every god damn time....and nothing u do or say is gunna change it. so either a. keep investing your time/$ into it because you like it or b. don't? no one is gunna heartbroken if you stop....that doesn't mean they didnt like ur photos/writeups though

OH NOES NAL_RA RETIRED FUCK IM SOOOO SAD
oh n/m it's aight he still around chillin in those funny suitz in the commentator booth aite aite
why so 진지해?
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
September 28 2009 04:47 GMT
#20
On September 28 2009 13:42 Rekrul wrote:
build some self confidence then u will find gratification from whatever u love no matter what other ppl say/think


THIS.
Follow me on Twitter for pictures of cute gamers and food! https://twitter.com/lilsusie
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
September 28 2009 05:28 GMT
#21
On September 28 2009 13:42 Rekrul wrote:
this all stems from the other shit nevergg has whined about on her other blogs

keep hittin the gym nevergg, build some self confidence then u will find gratification from whatever u love no matter what other ppl say/think

edit: i mean seriously, ur decision whether to leave korea or not depends on the feedback u get on tl.net?

heres the facts: ppl on tl.net like and enjoy ur work but they dont give a fuck enough to post OMG NEVERGG UR THE GREATEST every god damn time....and nothing u do or say is gunna change it. so either a. keep investing your time/$ into it because you like it or b. don't? no one is gunna heartbroken if you stop....that doesn't mean they didnt like ur photos/writeups though

OH NOES NAL_RA RETIRED FUCK IM SOOOO SAD
oh n/m it's aight he still around chillin in those funny suitz in the commentator booth aite aite


I agree 100% with this never. We all love your work and I've posted thanks or nice pics or nice articles more than once. It just gets to the point where we expect it and that our thanks are implied simply in the number of views not so much as number of comments.

That being said I don't like the sounds of this at all
I have to make a choice in January whether to stay in Korea or to go home. It's very heavily dependant upon Teamliquid and if I still feel as if I'm doing something worthwhile for everyone.

If your main criteria for staying in korea is making a bunch of internet nerds happy with pictures and articles about starcraft I think it's time to move on to something that YOU love not what all of us love. I'm envious of all of the people who've been to korea because of what you got to experience with e-sports and the korean culture, I'd absolutely love to have that experience for a year or two but I doubt it will happen in the near future.

Live Love and Be Happy don't Stagnate Regret and Settle
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 28 2009 05:57 GMT
#22
I've always admired how much effort you put into the whole process of going to matches, getting shoots, and being involved in the community.

Trying to please people on the internet is a pretty quick path to burning out though.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
September 28 2009 06:13 GMT
#23
Oh Rekrul, you are arrogant and that's fine but why are you always so right?

Anyways I like your work NeverGG but the opinion of a small community website shouldn't really affect what you base your entire life on.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 28 2009 06:15 GMT
#24
FYI NeverGG.

Your work is appreciated. It takes time for the netizens of Fomos to get to know you/your style.

Don't give up. :3
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
September 28 2009 06:16 GMT
#25
Even though I don't comment much on konadora and smix's translations I really did enjoy them. Sometimes there really isn't too much to comment about because the thread is self-explanatory. I also don't want to spam good job when 10 people above me already posted something similar. But it does suck when good threads dies when no one comments on them. I hope konadora and smix didn't give up translating because of that.

Maybe TL should have a section for quality work like translations/photo shoots so the thread will be visible longer. I didn't see the SNSD/2NE1 blog until today and I visit TL everyday.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
September 28 2009 06:23 GMT
#26
Well I can't say much other then to repeat whats been said. No one can do what you do NeverGG for TL.net. TL.net won't be as good without your work that for sure, but i'm sure you already know that. Still none of us can tell you what to do with your life. If you enjoy what your doing keep doing it. If you don't thats fine too. you have to do what makes you happy.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
September 28 2009 06:27 GMT
#27
If you do not give up the crowds
you won't find your way to oneness.
If you do not drop your self
you won't find your true worth.
If you do not offer all you
have to teamliquid.net,
you will live this life free of that
pain which makes it worth living.

- Shaikh Abu Saeed Abil Kheir
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
September 28 2009 06:46 GMT
#28
On September 28 2009 15:27 Physician wrote:
If you do not give up the crowds
you won't find your way to oneness.
If you do not drop your self
you won't find your true worth.
If you do not offer all you
have to teamliquid.net,
you will live this life free of that
pain which makes it worth living.

- Shaikh Abu Saeed Abil Kheir

Imho this is a phase that many people (and artists especially will empathise with this) will pass through. Sometimes when people don't ask me to play in their chamber groups (as a violist/vlnist) I may feel unappreciated or inept but passion is something fuelled from within, whatever motivation you get from the people around you is a bonus.

Stereotypically the guy way of treating such a dysthmia would be "lets get a beer and get over it"-sorta way and the girl way (which is unfortunately underepresented here) would be to lend a listening ear. Reality has it such that TL is full of male nerds like us who may rage for all of a day or two after getting trolled or DTdropped (no flame pls) =p

anyway, all the best for your future projects. havent had (and hope to have) the chance to submit entries for your photo discussion threads though =p
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
September 28 2009 07:00 GMT
#29
The korean BW scene has just been the same answers/interview kinda stuff for the last 5 years. We know everything about the lifestyle and we can anticipate every interview Q and A without reading it. It's just not too exciting anymore. You are a great photographer and that is awesome because it takes skill and talent to pull off but it's just not the most exciting coverage anymore. I've fallen outta love with the Korean sc politics. Personality has been taken from the players. The games are good but there isn't any drama I guess. Korean BW needs more drama. If you could arrange grudgematches that would be sick.
Nak Allstar.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 28 2009 07:04 GMT
#30
I'm sure TL appreciates your work more than you feel at the moment, but people just aren't very vocal at showing it.

How goes the saying? You don't appreciate something you have until you lose it. For fucks sake, we wouldn't know what half the progamers look like (in real life I mean and not on a shitty 300k stream with their mouth open illuminated by the sickly CRT glow) without your picture threads.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 07:53:56
September 28 2009 07:53 GMT
#31
I'm not going to add anything that I haven't already told you on MSN, but I'll repeat it if you like.

About fomos - You will never ever find a nicer place that TL to post your work. Korean netizens will eat you alive. If you are going to gauge your success on them, quit now. Instead, the only people you should be concerned about is the people that work at fomos. Do not do your internship quietly. Internships are for you to learn, so talk to them every time about what you are doing, what they expect, and how the system works. It does no good for you to complain to TL about your article being bumped.

About motivation - In the end, it has to come from within. Hobbies very rarely have external factors that motivate you. If you are looking at TL, fomos, or other communities to keep you going, you are looking in the wrong place. They can help, but you have to want to do it.

About staying in Korea - Reflect upon the last couple years of your life. What have you learned. What is there left to learn from this relatively narrow environment that you are working in. How much more time do you need before you have exhausted (or considerably slowed) in your growth? If there is still room to grow, then stay. If not, you will just end up doing the same old thing and getting frustrated.

About TL - I like your ideas, but you cannot expect every one of them to work out. I could have told you that a fan cafe is doomed from the start, just because of the nature of the activity. It is like screaming down a well because there is no connection. On the other hand, messaegs to progamers is a huge hit, and for very good reasons. Don't get mad when something doesn't work. Just try something else.

Make a plan - If you are just mindlessly going to events, it is not rewarding. You need a series of goals (which I know you have made before). They should involve events, but also skill growth, exposure, and opening new paths for your work. When you make this list, you can be motivated to accomplish things regardless of what other people think. If it is a good list, it will also give you avenues to try different angles if one particular goal becomes frustrating or unrewarding.

TL has always been supportive of your work, but if you are going to measure the appreciation by comments or views, you are looking the wrong way. Find satisfaction within yourself and it will show in your work.
Trying to please people on the internet is a pretty quick path to burning out though.
ModeratorGodfather
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
September 28 2009 09:11 GMT
#32
Most of the TLers are just "free riding". There is nothing uncommon with that, since the whole service that TL is could be seen as a public good - to be part of it, you dont need to contribute in any way.

I'm sure your work is highly valued, but because you are so hardworking and consistent, the regular TL netizen begins to see your effort, no matter how great and special it is, as a regular feature on this site. You are in worse situation than kona and smix, cause in some way they are replaceable for what they do and you are not. I'm sure if there was a NeverGG[arnc] + Show Spoiler +
fake neggy lol everyone got that?
you should have at least took a small brake by now.

I admire everything you are doing for the community and I wish I could help you with more than doing my regular D/D+ graphics shit. But I wont say "oh neggy, stay!" cause for me its pretty obvious as well that a big part of your work gets underappreciated and the reason for that is not the lack of quality or contend.

"Find satisfaction within yourself and it will show in your work". Thats Mani right there and not Nietzsche of some sort. I think thats the best way to look at your future projects. But whatever you decide to do - you have my support
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 28 2009 09:35 GMT
#33
i dont think you can honestly enjoy your work if you need other people to enjoy it for you. maybe its time to pack it in and do something you can truly enjoy without other people needing to tell you its good
HEY MEYT
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
September 28 2009 11:07 GMT
#34
get us naked pictures of snsd and i will praise u for life, nevergg
why so 진지해?
Terranesque
Profile Joined September 2007
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 11:14:54
September 28 2009 11:13 GMT
#35
On September 28 2009 13:10 Kennigit wrote:
....why do comments matter so much to you? Are you doing it for personal gratification? Look at the views on your threads before you martyr please. I like and appreciate your work but i refuse to post in your threads because if it isn't a glowing review you become offended to your core. I know a lot of others feel this way and have commented on it before. You should be doing this because you enjoy doing it for YOU - not anyone else.


Womp womp.




Nudes of korean women and yourself would help, I promise.
edit; Oh, and of lilsusie, too.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
September 28 2009 11:21 GMT
#36
On September 28 2009 20:07 Rekrul wrote:
get us naked pictures of snsd and i will praise u for life, nevergg


l

l
lollolololololol
Commentator
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-28 11:33:24
September 28 2009 11:33 GMT
#37
On September 28 2009 13:06 NeverGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2009 12:56 Chill wrote:
Pics of cute asian girls = many hits.

Seriously.


Usually yes, but my recent blog of 2NE1 and SNSD photos barely topped 20 comments. I was really shocked since boobs/legs usually do = many comments.


But did you check how many views you've had? I personally clicked that thread at least once before I fab (too much info lol).

I just feel awkward posting something in a thread made by a girl after that. I'm sure there are many others like me out there.
Rillanon.au
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
September 28 2009 11:46 GMT
#38
i onno but this blog got a lot of replies. is that good?

just follow rekrul's advice - keep doing photos without the consent of replies, do it for fun, not cause some people on a web board post replies. if it's not fun then fuck it, find something else. not really a big dilemma imo.

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50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
September 28 2009 12:30 GMT
#39
I think you are in a bit of a tough spot here... Korean netizens are known to be badass, and unfortunately they are the main audience for Esports related stuff.

Side note, I went on the Korean Gom site after the no season 4 drama just to compare the number of hits the Kor vods get vs. the Eng ones and it ain't pretty. It really makes one see how small the foreigner scene really is, even though Koreans only make about 1/3 of ICCUP. It is of course because the foreigner fanbase does not include crazy fangirls. And, not to insult anything/one some considerable part of your work seems fangirl-oriented. We all appreciate your work but it is a little bit off target imho.

Do not despair, NeverGG, you got an additional 0.7 seconds of fame on Korean national television.
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NeverGG appeared in one of the PL all-stars vods. There was some intro made up of a collage of random images and she is in it. Don't remember which game though...
I'm posting on twoplustwo because I have always been amazed at the level of talent that populates this site --- it's almost unparalleled on the Internet.
tirentu
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1257 Posts
September 28 2009 12:36 GMT
#40
Though I hate to jump on the "mods are right!" bandwagon, they've made the most helpful and probably accurate posts in this thread. Remember that whether we choose to post in your threads or not, the TeamLiquid community greatly appreciates everything that you've done, not only for us, but for e-sports as a whole. Just because the netizens, who are known quantities in the douche bar, flame a lot because your articles aren't in moonspeak doesn't mean that they aren't appreciated.

But Manifesto and rekrul have a point - you need to do what feels right for yourself, not as a slave to a bunch of internet nerds .
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
September 28 2009 12:41 GMT
#41
I was thinking about what to say but it appears Rekrul has already spread his wisdom in this thread and I couldn't have said it better. ^__^
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MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
September 28 2009 12:47 GMT
#42
Without reading the responses because I have little time and I think this post needs a reply immidiately:

NeverGG, I appreciate your work _so_ much. I'm astounded by your inventiveness in finding new and interesting projects, by your immense qualities as a photographer, which are inspiring to me with my little sister wanting to become a professional photographer, and by your love and dedication to the Korean progamers. We all have some times when things look bad, and it is real hard for people from outside to help you then. The only advice I should give you is: take the time to find out what exactly is bad for you in your current situation. Because, when you know what it is, your subconsciousness and your feelings will know what is making you feel bad, and it will stop making the good things worse.

My personal hunch is that your work with fomos is making you down. And if you don't mind me being frank, I thought that fomos was not the best place for you to work. I envision you working a lot better with daily esports. I'm not sure that I can support my hunch with a rational explanation, so take it with a grain of salt.

Lastly, I'd like to comment on your projects specifically. The fan cafés are awesome. However, the idea of a fan café is a distinctly unwestern thought, and therefore rather unusual and strange to the majority of the TL community. I think with sufficient dedication, endurance, and a bit of marketing, they will become however a great success, creating a real standing for us with the Korean progamers (Violet's response strengthens my thoughts on this one. He was especially pleased to hear that the first foreign fan café was dedicated to him!), and creating a place for more personal fanship, which is at the moment a little lacking and unorganised at TL. I think the fan cafés provide in a distinct TL way for a need.

The personal cards for Backho and Jaedong are brilliant, and I think that if used sparsely they will be one of the most appreciated things you can do here. People love to give support to progamers in need, but it is necessary to identify correctly who needs it.

100 cards projects, messages from --- projects: Now while I think these projects are fantastic, to be fair I've got a gut feeling that you should lessen on these a little. You've got so many of them running that it's easy to get overworked. Still, 100 cards for a team is awesome, and the messages from --- create a real connection between the progamers and the foreign community. Their worth is indisputable, but you are much more worth as a integral part of TL, with your photos and your captainship of hte fan cafés. I'm not sure how this can be solved, but maybe you can leave the brunt of the work to someone else?

In the end, I've given you too much advice. Still I can't leave without giving my thoughts about the demographics of TL: I'm pretty sure many people here are strongly introvert or very shy. I assume this because a game like Starcraft is inherently appealing to introvert persons. Besides, and now I might be going a bit far, the Koreans themselves have a introvert and shy culture, attracting those in the west who are that as well. Also, following a game already ten years old is not something the usual extravert person would do. All I'm saying is: that we don't comment much does not at all mean that we don't appreciate you, on the contrary. I think all of TL, even Rekrul in his own bastard way, loves you, loves your work, and depend on it! Whatever you do, we think it is awesome, because it is. But we are still likely to silently sit behind the pc, reading everything and adoring your work, but keeping silent about it, simply because it seems unnecessary to encourage someone who is already doing real good.

NeverGG, I'm a noob on these forums, and not even that much into starcraft. But I love this site and I love the progaming, and that all would only be possible with your dedicated, hard work. Please, please keep asking us for comments when you feel there is not enough, please make us work for your presents to us.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
September 28 2009 19:46 GMT
#43
On September 28 2009 16:00 MiniRoman wrote:
The korean BW scene has just been the same answers/interview kinda stuff for the last 5 years. We know everything about the lifestyle and we can anticipate every interview Q and A without reading it. It's just not too exciting anymore. You are a great photographer and that is awesome because it takes skill and talent to pull off but it's just not the most exciting coverage anymore. I've fallen outta love with the Korean sc politics. Personality has been taken from the players. The games are good but there isn't any drama I guess. Korean BW needs more drama. If you could arrange grudgematches that would be sick.

I think the best thing NeverGG can do (and has been doing) is highlight the players' personalities. The official (fomos, etc.) interviews tend to be pretty lifeless and repetitive, but things like photo shoots and the 안녕하세요 series really do show another side to the players.

Any spectator sport/game gets boring without storylines, so anything that helps with that is good for e-Sports.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
September 28 2009 19:56 GMT
#44
On September 29 2009 04:46 SonuvBob wrote:
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On September 28 2009 16:00 MiniRoman wrote:
The korean BW scene has just been the same answers/interview kinda stuff for the last 5 years. We know everything about the lifestyle and we can anticipate every interview Q and A without reading it. It's just not too exciting anymore. You are a great photographer and that is awesome because it takes skill and talent to pull off but it's just not the most exciting coverage anymore. I've fallen outta love with the Korean sc politics. Personality has been taken from the players. The games are good but there isn't any drama I guess. Korean BW needs more drama. If you could arrange grudgematches that would be sick.

I think the best thing NeverGG can do (and has been doing) is highlight the players' personalities. The official (fomos, etc.) interviews tend to be pretty lifeless and repetitive, but things like photo shoots and the 안녕하세요 series really do show another side to the players.

Any spectator sport/game gets boring without storylines, so anything that helps with that is good for e-Sports.

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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 28 2009 20:34 GMT
#45
I always love the photos you do, be sad if you left

Hope you find something to re-spark the flames
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