• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:32
CEST 11:32
KST 18:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down12ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League55Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance? [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8166 users

[Spoiler STX vs Estro] What do you think?

Blogs > Zoler
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 12:24 GMT
#1
[image loading]


What do you think? Maybe it's time for us terrans to go back to our roots? Especially now when maps isn't that strong for mech anymore (at least that's what I think, I'll be glad, not really, to be proven wrong)

I always hated mech, it's so boring to watch really. I want m&m back

**
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
September 26 2009 13:05 GMT
#2
bio terran is 10x more fun to play against and requires so much finesse for lurk/ling/defiler
mech is boring, just macro like zvp
gogo back to bio terrans
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
September 26 2009 13:14 GMT
#3
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 26 2009 13:18 GMT
#4
bio ftw.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
September 26 2009 13:59 GMT
#5
On September 26 2009 22:14 Kaniol wrote:
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.

I've always thought Medusa was a bad map for mech 0.o
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 14:18 GMT
#6
On September 26 2009 22:59 3 Lions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2009 22:14 Kaniol wrote:
Errr, but bio isn't underused, it never was... Just some maps were hard for bio so people obviously used mech on them - desti, hbr. But look at smth like medusa - this map is good for both bio and mech and you can see both these strats on it.

Also outsider - another map that was played quite often - was map where you see mostly mnm or wraiths and like no mech.

We were always at our roots, just some maps required adaptation from us.

I've always thought Medusa was a bad map for mech 0.o


You HAVE to go mech on Medusa unless you wanna die to mutas.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
September 26 2009 15:03 GMT
#7
Some maps just force players to go mech. And Mech guarantees them a higher success at winning the game, so when the games matter, they will tend to go mech.

But bionic is still the shit yo
POGGERS
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 26 2009 17:00 GMT
#8
lol was it a mech opening or something?
1 fact vult into bionic?
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 17:15:07
September 26 2009 17:14 GMT
#9
On September 27 2009 02:00 alffla wrote:
lol was it a mech opening or something?
1 fact vult into bionic?


if that was the case I wouldn't have made this thread. mech openings = mech, even if you transition to bio imo
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 17:26 GMT
#10
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 17:47 GMT
#11
On September 27 2009 02:26 koreasilver wrote:
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.


SK terran is when you play without tanks, push with 3 tanks and 1 vessel into 2 starport vessel is not SK terran.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 18:06 GMT
#12
I suppose all those professional Korean commentators have been incorrect for all these years.

I mean, what? SK "composition" is an incorrect way of defining SK Terran? Damn, you should tell those OGN and MBC noobs what's right.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:20 GMT
#13
That's how we the foreign scene define it.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 19:24:12
September 26 2009 19:23 GMT
#14
On September 27 2009 02:47 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2009 02:26 koreasilver wrote:
That's a terrible way of looking at things. Even Korean commentators talk about transitioning into SK Terran and etc.; 1fac vult into bio is bio; SK Terran is as much a build as it is a unit composition. Holding onto such stubborn and static definitions is just being dogmatic in a flawed way.


SK terran is when you play without tanks, push with 3 tanks and 1 vessel into 2 starport vessel is not SK terran.

Yes it is...

Pushing with three tanks is a timing push, not an overall playstyle. If the T transitions into two port vessel, then it's SK terran.

SK doesn't even need to not have tanks...it just signifies a highly mobile, aggressive and attrition-based playstyle that involves irradiating the shit out of everything. So what if the T has some gas left over and makes a tank or two?

On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

lol, yeah, because you're the authority?
Hello
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
September 26 2009 19:29 GMT
#15
I think life is abeautiful thingie fo so
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:31 GMT
#16
you have valid arguments but that's not how I see it
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 19:46 GMT
#17
On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

ROFL SK Terran is a term that originated from Korea, much like most of the SC:BW terms used in general.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 19:55 GMT
#18
On September 27 2009 04:46 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2009 04:20 Zoler wrote:
That's how we the foreign scene define it.

ROFL SK Terran is a term that originated from Korea, much like most of the SC:BW terms used in general.


does it matter
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 26 2009 19:58 GMT
#19
You're acting like you're an authority on a term when you seriously aren't. Those commentators are a far greater authority on that term than you are, and I've seen people in the "foreign scene" talk about "SK transitions" before.

You're just dogmatic about something with absolutely no base to the point of being senseless.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
September 26 2009 20:41 GMT
#20
im just talking outta my own experience on this website when I say what I think people think about that term, that's my opinion. what makes you so angry over my opinion?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 28m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 21040
Jaedong 4774
Rain 2237
BeSt 467
Hyuk 220
Zeus 184
Soma 163
Dewaltoss 132
Rush 103
Stork 99
[ Show more ]
Leta 89
ZerO 46
ggaemo 37
Mong 36
Hm[arnc] 34
Aegong 30
Sharp 30
Bale 24
NotJumperer 23
Movie 21
EffOrt 21
Killer 19
Sexy 19
PianO 13
Terrorterran 11
sorry 10
Yoon 8
Dota 2
Gorgc8407
XcaliburYe129
League of Legends
JimRising 481
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1294
shoxiejesuss571
pashabiceps460
Other Games
singsing897
ceh9557
ZerO(Twitch)3
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 49
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2222
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1h 28m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
4h 28m
Big Brain Bouts
6h 28m
FEL
23h 28m
Patches Events
1d 3h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 7h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.