On February 28 2010 03:53 Boblion wrote:
Damn colonial game industry, they are just a bunch of Caucasian racists...
That's the same shit with Sc2. Did you see how they nerfed Protoss in their last Sc2 patch whereas it is the only race with ninjas ?
All i see is a bunch of reference to Western European culture: Thor with Arnold voice, Valkyries, Goliath etc...
And the SCV guy isn't even black anymore !
The only thing remotely Asian is the Yamato thing but eh Japanese were imperialists too -.-
I don't see anything Chinese in all those games...
I will stick to SF4 and Chun-Li until Jackie Chan gets hired to dub the Dark Templar.

If you enjoy playing the same old reiterations of the same old time periods with a Eurocentric worldview, then go ahead. I'm sure you and Moltkewarding will have lots of fun together. But when it comes to what I spend my money on, I'm going to support products that bring diversity into the marketplace and give my heritage a greater representation, rather than act as if it doesn't exist at all.

Still, I'm not accusing the "game industry" of anything. There's plenty of diversity in the industry. The only thing I ever talked about was the Total War series and how I'm dissatisfied that they've gone 5 games now on the same geography. Your hyperbole is in pretty poor taste.

Nor did I say anybody else should not play Napoleon Total War. I simply stated that I am not going to buy the game and the reasons why. So, in general, I think your snarky response is out of line.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

February 27 2010 20:21 GMT

#42

Listen Stork, i don't like Napoleon, i'm not a fan of this period either and i have no problem with you wanting a game on a different "theatre", but the way your are whining in this thread is completly ridiculous and you clearly deserved to be mocked when i see sentences like that coming from someone claiming to know history:

On February 26 2010 11:37 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Sorry, I don't think there's anything glorious about the Colonial period. That time period can go to hell in a handbasket imo.

I just can't understand how you can associate Napoleon with colonialism. He fought all his wars against Europeans nations which actually delayed colonialism because European countries were too busy fighting each others.
Afaik the colonization of Africa started long after Napoleon was dead.

On February 27 2010 16:10 StorkHwaiting wrote:
[The Total War series has been set in the same damn Europe map since Medieval: Total War 1. That shit gets old. Especially when it glorifies a time that I find offensive.

I hope you have never played any WW2 related game because you can play the evil nazis and Germany and its mighty panzers are glorified too...
Nah maybe it is just a game and you are taking this shit too seriously.

I also find amusing that you don't understand that this kind of games appeal mostly to an European audience ( or American people with European background ) and that a game about Medieval wars in China would not be as successful.

Boblion

France8043 Posts

February 27 2010 20:24 GMT

#43

oopps double post

StorkHwaiting

United States3465 Posts

February 27 2010 20:38 GMT

#44

On February 28 2010 05:21 Boblion wrote:
Listen Stork, i don't like Napoleon, i'm not a fan of this period either but the way your are whining in this thread is completly ridiculous and you clearly deserved to be mocked when i see sentences like that from someone claiming to know history:

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I hope you have never any WW2 related game because you can play the evil nazis because Germany and its mighty panzers are glorified too...
Nah maybe it is just a game and you are taking this shit too seriously.

I also find amusing that you don't understand that this kind of games appeal mostly to an European audience ( or American people with European background ) and that a game about Medieval wars in China would not be as successful.

I think Napoleon's antics in Egypt are very much in line with what I dislike about Colonialism, but you do make a very good point. My apologies for confusing Napoleon with Colonialism, because you're right, he delayed the progress of Colonialism and I was wrong to correlate the two. He was more along the lines of nationalistic/imperialist fervor.

And yeah, I'm not a big fan of WW2 games either. I USED to be but I've played so damn many of them by now that I just can't bring myself to get excited anymore. It's not me saying that I never want to play one, rather I've played too many of them and I'm tired of the era. Just as people who've played one too many D&D games get really bored of the same Tolkienesque setting.

And that's my original point. I'm disappointed in the Total War series because it continues to be fixated on the European theater. And I especially dislike the gunpowder era, whether it's Colonialist or not.

I don't get why you assume I don't understand these games appeal to a European audience, though. I know full well what they're doing. It doesn't mean I shouldn't be disappointed they're taking that path and personally choose not to buy their game. It's like people complaining that Starcraft 2 is a lot more noob friendly. Blizzard is doing that for the sake of wider appeal, but the hardcore fans have every right to be annoyed that they're getting a game they like less for the sake of the mainstream. And as someone who's shelled out $400 to the Total War series, I think I've got a right to an opinion.

MoltkeWarding

5195 Posts

February 27 2010 21:05 GMT

#45

I'm sure you and Moltkewarding will have lots of fun together

We need to get back to Naps.

On the other hand, no one is interested in playing the battle of the pyramids. They want to recreate Jena and Austerlitz. The reason is very simple; there is no honour in besting inferior peoples in battle. On the other hand, playing China in eu2 or Victoria is frustrating because you are marked to fall behind Europe on technology. In EU2 you receive a tech handicap for being non-Christian, and in Victoria you are handicapped by China's status as an uncivilized country. When I played China I always wished that there were an option to become a voluntary colony of Britain.

StorkHwaiting

United States3465 Posts

February 27 2010 21:13 GMT

#46

On February 28 2010 06:05 MoltkeWarding wrote:

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lol those are such f-ed up game mechanics -_-. THAT would be an example of in-game propagation of racism in my opinion.

That being said, Moltke I love you for being so consistently you XD.

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