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Protoss To Zerg: My Progress

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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-18 22:59:05
September 18 2009 21:44 GMT
#1
Update # 3

iCCup Profile: http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Salv.html
Stats: 11-10 / D / 1950

If I had an easy time with opponents last update, I more then made up for it this time. Last time I went 5-1, today I went 3-7; not good ya'll. However it's not all bad news. Ironically enough, in the day where I went 5-1, I didn't really learn much. My opponents weren't that good and I just walked through them. Today was completely different as my opponents just walked right through me, save for three. So what's going on? Why did I wind up losing 7? Six of those being in a row? Let's get down to it:

Z v P

Alright ya'll, I'm just going to start with Z v P from now on, it's my format now I guess. Any way, damn, today was rough. I did much better versus Terran's today then I did against Protoss, but I'll talk about the former in the Z v T section, that don't belong in here. Running into some problems with my neo-sauron build, and they are:

  • First things first, making two lings is a bad idea ya'll. I just realized today that I am bad, baaaad at keeping track of my opponents choke. I usually do not see when my opponent moves out, when he sneaks a probe, sneaks a zealot, it's all surprises to me. That really sucks because if I open two lings, the entire point is that I need to be able to respond really quick. Either I have to get those zerglings out to take care of business, or I have to delay a bit. Either way that's a problem that needs correcting.

    I am thinking I just need to realize when I need to make more zerglings. I have been spoiled by Protoss' who don't do jack until I have hydralisks out, and apparently that doesn't fly at D+ at this point in the season. I need to really keep on top of things and make sure that if he is gradually producing zealots, that I gradually produce lings and just keep up with him. Also I need to look up when I add the sunken colonies, I can't remember when it is and I keep thinking it's after I had my den, but that is way too late I think. I'll find out.

  • Corsairs. I hate corsairs. It's funny when you play Protoss and you comment on how it's difficult to manage corsairs, or that they are easy to counter, but damn once you play Zerg, it's not easy to defend. If you have scourge it's easy, you simply clone a pair and there you go, but if you got hydralisk, it's hard. There are have been many games where I just can't do much about his corsairs and it fucks me up. My overlord at his natural dies, my overlord in his base dies and then he snipes some more and then he attacks with a +1 timing and I die.

    The good news is that this is all correctable. I think partially the problem are the zerglings. Once I have that under control, I will be able to focus on my build more and make sure I have my spire coming ASAP, as well as my overlord speed, both of which should help remedy this annoying situation.


It's really those two things, but when you think about it, having those problems can really compound. Having to keep maynard away drones, split up my zergling forces and keep track of my BO is hard. Then having to follow-up with dealing with corsairs is even harder if your spire or overlord speed is even the slightest bit late. I suppose it's just practice I need, I'll find out more this weekend I am sure.

One last thing is that most of my ZvP losses came from trying out various builds. I tried a three hat mutalisk build twice, one of which was a closer game then usual, and a four hat build, both of which I need to have explained to me because I am clueless what I am doing. Ahzz told me about a neo-sauron lurker build and I tried it twice, I think I am 1-1 with it, but I really cannot judge builds until I fix the problems I stated above.

Z v T

What a turn around. If you don't know, Ahzz's TvZ is around C+ or B- level and I was practicing with him. I got rolled in all the games, but I learned quite a bit and finally decided to cut the foolishness and just go standard mutalisk. I lost some games today to just much superior players, and one game where I had no idea what to harass with my mutalisk [both games Ahzz will check for me] but overall I am feeling pretty good against an opponent that doesn't completely outclass me. I think those games I win.

So what turned this match up around for me? Read on:

  • Make six lings ya'll. Do it. Once again like ZvP, theorycrafting, it sounds good to just make enough lings to take care of the scout and then make them when you need them, but that don't work. I regularly need those zerglings and it helps me get rid of his scout. It's not a big deal, but a little something.

  • I benefited a lot from some standard rules & timings that Ahzz helped me with. I worked on my gas timing, making sure I would have 900/900 min/gas by the time the spire popped, which is a huge deal, as well as splitting my time between harass and management. There has only been one case where I was completely stumped on what to do with my mutalisk, and I think that was also just a bad game, but overall I can do damage while teching lurkers in an effective manner now.

  • Scourge. Those pesky dropships were doing a number on me before, but now that I have been owned by them multiple times, I always make sure I have a sunken in my base to by time in case he does drop, but more importantly, I have patrolling scourge that have nabbed multiple vessels already.


I can easily and honestly say that practice is what helped most here. After a while I just seem to remember what I need to do next, whereas before I would be scratching my head wondering what else to do. There are still some things I suck at, like keeping up my macro and hotkeying all my units, but that should come with time. I have pretty much decided that I will just use three hat muta into quick hive like all other Zergs, which is cool, but I am still terrible versus unorthodox builds.

In all games versus strange builds, I usually wind up massing and trying to win in a giant attack because I'm not sure how to transition or how to make sure I tech while staving off harassment. It's a pain in the ass and I now hate wraiths nearly as much as I do corsairs.

With any luck, I can correct these mistakes I listed and move on to C- this weekend. I'm rather confident I'll be able to do that, because even the players I played all had good stats and were all C- or C last season, so it wasn't even like I was playing actual D+ players. Here is the latest rep-pack. Not much to see and there are some pretty embarassing games in there, but whatever, I'm putting in all the games I played. Whether it was some lame mass ling counter to a build I didn't know, or just playing bad and ragequitting [with the gg still], it's all here!

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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
September 18 2009 21:45 GMT
#2
Fix the code.... doesn't work on TL.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-18 21:48:41
September 18 2009 21:45 GMT
#3
Done.

I have the Introduction, Update #1 and Update#2 at this link: http://sc2gg.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9474 I thought it would be lame to post three or four blogs in a row, so I'll just continue here with this one and update here and there from now on.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24743 Posts
September 18 2009 22:02 GMT
#4
Salv first you were protoss. But then when it failed you you beat me with your terran. Then you became much better than me at protoss. Now you are going to rape it up with zerg. Wtf man!
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
September 18 2009 22:18 GMT
#5
The thing to do vs P is to go 3 hatch spire and then add 2 hatches so u have 5 in total. Use scourge to stop the corsairs and go w/e tech you want. Then it is pwn pwn time
I pwn noobs
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
September 18 2009 22:24 GMT
#6
On September 19 2009 07:02 micronesia wrote:
Salv first you were protoss. But then when it failed you you beat me with your terran. Then you became much better than me at protoss. Now you are going to rape it up with zerg. Wtf man!


Micro, if I have ever beaten you with my Terran, either you were not trying, or I was extremely lucky haha.

On September 19 2009 07:18 Neivler wrote:
The thing to do vs P is to go 3 hatch spire and then add 2 hatches so u have 5 in total. Use scourge to stop the corsairs and go w/e tech you want. Then it is pwn pwn time


That's the build I have been using, with the follow-up being hydralisk and then lurker. I talk about this in the first two updates, but I've been experimenting as I haven't liked the results I have received thus far.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
September 18 2009 22:35 GMT
#7
Salv, what happened to your kick ass battle reports? T-T
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24743 Posts
September 18 2009 22:43 GMT
#8
On September 19 2009 07:24 Salv wrote:
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On September 19 2009 07:02 micronesia wrote:
Salv first you were protoss. But then when it failed you you beat me with your terran. Then you became much better than me at protoss. Now you are going to rape it up with zerg. Wtf man!


Micro, if I have ever beaten you with my Terran, either you were not trying, or I was extremely lucky haha.

IIRC it was simply that you kept beating me with this all-in build that I was failing to adapt to... but whenever it failed I ended up ahead/winning.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
September 18 2009 22:44 GMT
#9
I have faith in you, my dear sweet brothar! You've got the macro/micro for sure, just to nail down those stupid intricacies that made me despise Zerg and switch to Terran.

You got da powa
Chains none
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 18 2009 22:55 GMT
#10
good luck
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
September 18 2009 23:04 GMT
#11
awe saw a salv P to Z blog and expected many pictures with writing on them but good luck and I expect the next blog to be more like the old ones
Hi.
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
September 18 2009 23:20 GMT
#12
can i join the school? ahzz teaching now?
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
September 18 2009 23:34 GMT
#13
Eh better off to make 4 lings or 8 lings ZvT. I find 6 a number that won't pressure but is a bit more than necessary to defend (unless he is bbsing or something).

Pretty cool though. I switched from P to Z and the process was very fun haha.
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